Cyber attack: Is it the same as a missile attack on sovereign territory

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    Interesting discussion on the ramifications of cyber warfare and its relation to physical attacks. A cyber attack like we conducted on Iran is an attack but does it rise to the same level as an Israeli missile attack on nuclear sites in Iran?

    Although a cyber attack may or may not inflict personal injury against citizens it still damages the countries assets and causes potential harm their security and financial resources. A cyber attack could drop a whole countries electrical system or water supply, possibly cause a meltdown or shutdown of nuclear reactors and a myriad of other possibilities. The potential of a massive disruption and resulting casualties are very real. Yet it is a surgical strike that is more refined than previous methods.

    A missile or bombing raid is a blunt force tool that destroys infrastructure and inflicts casualties and inherently damages the area and people surrounding it, and some of these attacks go awry and hit non targeted areas.

    Of course cyber war is harder to detect who attacked whom. It was thought the cyber attack on Iran was Israel yet leaks in the US confirmed that it was the US in conjunction with Israel. It is now clear that we conducted an attack on Iran, so where is the counterattack from Iran? It is an interesting contrast between the two methods.

    The Japanese conducted a surprise attack on the US at Pearl Harbor. It is believed the Chinese conducted a surprise attack on the US using cyber war. The US conducted a cyber attack on Iran.

    It appears that the International community is categorizing cyber warfare as a category of non-warfare conduct and it is an acceptable form of competition between states. Yet congress seems to think it is a form of war.

     
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    This is a very good question, and it is good that it is asked now. Because I think it would be very interesting to see the way some people would react to a similar attack against a US installation, and to look for signs of hypocrisy.

    If a foreign power planted a virus which caused actual physical damage to a US installation, I think we would take that as an act of war and would respond with force.
     
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    Very true. It is a double sided sword and if is acceptable for one nation state to conduct cyber attacks on others then does it make it acceptable for any country?
     
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    'Missing link' found in cyber weapon hunt...
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    'Proof' Links Flame, Stuxnet Super Cyber Weapons: Researchers
    11 June`12 - Researchers say they have uncovered "proof" linking the authors of the Flame cyber espionage program to Stuxnet, the most powerful offensive cyber weapon ever developed -- both of which are believed to have targeted Iran.
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    This is a bit like asking what's worse: getting beaten to the ground for your wallet/purse; or falling victim to an identity thief/fraudster? Although the latter - which correlates with a cyber attack against another nation - is non-violent, it still causes distress which has an impact in the 'real world'. Cyber attacks are an act of aggression that can have disastrous physical and emotional ramifications offline. True, it doesn't provide the media spectacle of wailing funerals in the streets and flag burning, but it's still an attack worthy of redress.

    Not as immediately savage as a missile strike, but still potentially disastrous for the victim state in the long run.
     
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    Cyber chief comes out in the open, warns of increased danger from attacks...
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    Cyber chief warns of rising danger from cyber attacks
    July 9th, 2012 - In a rare public appearance Monday, the head of the country's Cyber Command warned that the nature of cyberattacks is changing and becoming more dangerous.
     
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    A cyber attack ain't the same as a missile attack for a hundred reasons. It proves one thing though, the billions we spend on so-called "intelligence" agencies are wasted when a bunch of smart kids can out fox the CIA, the FBI and Homeland.
     
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    The US has already been the Victim of Several Coordinated State Sponsored Cyber Attacks from China alone, and so Far we have no responded with Conventional Force.
     
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    yeah, sure that proves it's all wasted. Lets just de fund them all.

    God man, Wise up. I am sure the NSA has stopped as many or more attacks than have Happened. Intelligence is a very shitty Job, the world only ever hears about your Failures. Well unless the President feels like talking about it to help his Re-election campaign that is.

    lol
     
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    We have the NSA, the CIA, and the FBI and Homeland Security and ten thousand federal geeks with a secret budget can't do the job. What do you think?
     

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