Cult Personality of George W. Bush

[ihopehefails]

Actually if you read the official report Bush stated several reasons for invading Iraq and none of them had to do with God told him

That doesn't prove he never said it.

and the 4000 people who died didn't lose their rights. They lost their lives

Exactly. Which is worse? Rights don't matter a whole lot if you're dead.

which is different than losing one's ability to practice the religion that they want to and that was never under threat under George W. Bush's presidency.

Who is arguing that it was? I said that the threat people feel from an overly religious president is that they'll try to legislate their religious values and morals into law.

When you are dead your rights are not "executable" but was a law passed surpressing their ability to practice their religion like "thou shall be born-again christian"?

People might have felt that way but that is the point of my thread because why would you think that the president's beliefs have the ability to shape our nation when no law was ever passed.

Laws that are actually passed are the subject not a president's beliefs because the critics of W's religious expressions focused on who he was and what he believed and never any law that was passed by the federal congress.

 

[ihopehefails]

Are you kidding? There was plenty of outcry over Obama's church and Jeremiah Wright and tons of news coverage about it.

It wasn't because people were pissed that he went it was because his preacher was a communist who said things like "God Damn America" yet no one is concerned about Obama's church getting legislated into law.

They're concerned about the ideas preached by the church getting signed into law. What is the difference?

There is no difference in that sense because its perfectly acceptable to sign one's own religious beliefs into law and their own political beliefs (which is why we have elections) and that includes communism. That is within people's rights but look at why one side objected to one belief and not the other. One side hated the church and said communism ain't so bad...

 

[ihopehefails]

Its actually constitutional for laws to be based on some religious concepts such as "thou shall not murder" because the first amendment is designed to prevent the government from establishing an official church.

Not murdering people is pretty much a universal wrong recognized by everyone. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about laws banning abortion, instilling prayer in the public schools, and determining who can and can't be married based upon a politician's religious views.

Tell me why you can't legislate people's personal beliefs into law just because they are based on someone's religion. We can do it if they are based on other criteria such as "a universal wrong recognized by everyone" but the minute that belief's origin comes from the church then we can't.

BTW, I'm not aware of any attempt to install school prayer.

 

[kwc57]

The president of the United States under the Bush years was a cult personality built around religious zealotry of the christian right or at least this is how the far left saw it. They feared that a president who uttered the phrase "God bless you" was a threat to their civil liberties because everyone might become christian. They feared a mass wave of christian converts would take over the country because the president was a christian.

The cult personality that existed during those years did not exist in the minds of George W. Bush or most conservatives (who rightfully saw no objection to the president's beliefs) but in the minds of most liberals who feared that his very words would cause us to give up our own beliefs and become "christian". What else could explain the objection to a president's religion or expression of as a violation of the first amendment which starts out with "congress shall pass no law..." when no law that would violate the first amendment was ever proposed.

How do you explain how a "personality" makes people think different or become that personality? Its laws that we must fear as a threat to our civil liberties and not the religious views of the president.

What are you smoking?

 

[kwc57]

This looks like fun! Let me give it a try.

The president of the United States under the Obama years was a cult personality built around socialist zealotry of the liberal left or at least this is how the far right saw it. They feared that a president who uttered the phrase "hope and change" was a threat to their civil liberties because everyone might become socialist. They feared a mass wave of socialist converts would take over the country because the president was a liberal.

The cult personality that existed during those years did not exist in the minds of Barack Obama or most liberals (who rightfully saw no objection to the president's beliefs) but in the minds of most conservatives who feared that his very words would cause us to give up our own beliefs and become "socialist". What else could explain the objection to a president's personal views or expression of as a violation of the first amendment which starts out with "congress shall pass no law..." when no law that would violate the first amendment was ever proposed.

How do you explain how a "personality" makes people think different or become that personality? Its laws that we must fear as a threat to our civil liberties and not the personal views of the president.

 

[rdean]

The president of the United States under the Bush years was a cult personality built around religious zealotry of the christian right or at least this is how the far left saw it. They feared that a president who uttered the phrase "God bless you" was a threat to their civil liberties because everyone might become christian. They feared a mass wave of christian converts would take over the country because the president was a christian.

The cult personality that existed during those years did not exist in the minds of George W. Bush or most conservatives (who rightfully saw no objection to the president's beliefs) but in the minds of most liberals who feared that his very words would cause us to give up our own beliefs and become "christian". What else could explain the objection to a president's religion or expression of as a violation of the first amendment which starts out with "congress shall pass no law..." when no law that would violate the first amendment was ever proposed.

How do you explain how a "personality" makes people think different or become that personality? Its laws that we must fear as a threat to our civil liberties and not the religious views of the president.

The Delusion of the right, "Was a threat to their civil liberties because everyone might become christian."

Those on the right are blind with a purpose. It's a kind of "determined ignorance".

There are so many reasons why the religious are scary and dangerous. Religious zealots just dismiss such concerns as meaningless. No surprise there.

So why are they dangerous, and by they, I mean all those who count Abraham as their founder. You know, most religious don't even know the founder of their own religion? Isn't that funny?

It's the religious who are anti science and pro mystical creation. Who could possibly believe bible stories over modern science? Well, I can think of at least one group of people.

Public Praises Science; Scientists Fault Public, Media: Section 4: Scientists, Politics and Religion - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

Anyone who wants to do any research can easily find how Christians spread anti gay fever as they spread their religious vitriol all around the world teaching parents to hate their own children simply for being gay. And they have the nerve to say prove it. Even while religious leaders are saying 9/11 and Katrina were sent by God to punish gays.

The religious stifle everything they touch. That's why so few, if any, of the great artists, composers, writers, scientist are known for being strongly religious.

And yet, the religious still go on with this lunacy of "We were created in the image of God". What gall, what nerve. What an ego. If these people believe they are doing something for God, they will do anything. Anything at all.

And as far as the mythical liberal press. They knew Saddam had no WMDs. They reported on the 8 year war between Iraq and Iran. They knew Iraq industries were things like "dates" and "rugs". They knew Bush was lying. And yet, they said nothing.

Even today as the Iraqi Christian population plummets from nearly one and a half million to less than 400 thousand, the so called "liberal" press doesn't report it. Besides, American Christians don't care. You see, Iraqi Christians are the "wrong color".

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Tell me why you can't legislate people's personal beliefs into law just because they are based on someone's religion.

Because legislating religious beliefs infringes on the freedom of those who don't agree with those beliefs and start taking us down the road to a theocracy. When you get a theocracy, you get Iran.

The county I live in just last year passed a law allowing bars and restaurants to start serving alcohol on Sundays. You know why it was prohibited all of these years? Because Sunday is the Lord's day and we should honor it. Well, nothing was stopping anybody from not buying alcohol on Sunday to "honor the Lord" but that wasn't good enough. They had to force everyone else here to "honor the Lord" in the same way even if they don't share their religion.

BTW, I'm not aware of any attempt to install school prayer.

I've heard plenty of conservatives including members of my own family complain about there not being school lead prayers in the classroom anymore.