CDZ Criminals in Britain vs. the United States.....and gun laws...

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    10 criminals in the U.S. have illegal guns.....

    10 British criminals also have illegal guns.....

    The U.S. criminals use their guns to rob, rape ......and then murder

    British criminals use their guns to rob and rape, but do not murder....

    Whose gun laws kept criminals from getting guns...the British or the Americans?
     
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    So the British criminals are less violent due to the lack of a gun culture, because they did not have to kill the unprepared homeowner who grabbed his gun with the trigger lock still on, or something else?

    I give. Whats up?
     
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    No.....they had guns before the 1996 gun ban...and their gun murder rate was low.....after the gun ban in 1996 their gun murder rate went up...as did their violent crime rate.....and the rate stayed higher than before the ban for years. Then, after a period of time, it returned to the same level it was at before the ban. The gun ban did nothing to change their gun murder rate.....their criminals still got guns....but they simply did not use them to murder their victims.

    Our criminals....due to the break up of the family.....single teenage girls having multiple children from multiple teenage boyfriends.....has created a criminal with less control over their impulses....so they murder each other easily and often.....

    In Britain...I think World War 2 set them back.....we don't understand the implications of that war and the how it affected their society....now.....they are beginning to catch up...their previous culture can no longer civilize the young men their welfare state is creating....just like us...they now have single teenage girls raising children from multiple teenage boy fathers...with no adult male role models to teach them impulse control

    Gun laws didn't do anything to stop gun crime in Britain....if we point this out, anti gunners point to the gun murder rate as if that determines the effectiveness of gun laws.....my post here is to point out that gun murder rates are not how you rate the effectiveness of gun control laws.....since the culture of the criminal is different around the world...some criminal cultures are a lot more violent and prone to murder than others.....

    Targeting normal, law abiding gun owners, does not change the gun crime rate...here or in Britain...since the gun crime rate in Britain is going up...2 decades after they banned guns.....it is up 42% in London.....and up all over the rest of the country as well....
     
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    What is their gun crime rate vs ours?

    Agreed on the effects of the great patriotic war in England btw.
     
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    That is irrelevant. There are a million factors that determine the crime rate in any given area. Comparing our crime rate to that of another nation and then trying to pigeon hole that into a single issue such as gun control is speculation at best.

    The true test of the effectiveness of gun control measures is the change of the trend line after such laws are passed. That controls for the vast majority of the variables. The evidence shows that gun control has essentially no effect on homicide rates in general.
     
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    As FAQ2 says....this is meaningless...since the actual data shows that their gun murder rate was low when they were allowed to have gun......then after they banned guns their gun murder rate went up for about 10 years....and then returned to the same rate it was at before they banned guns....

    Do you see why your question doesn't matter? Their gun control ban did not effect their gun murder rate....but as we see now....it also did not lower their gun crime rate...since gun crime is up in Britain....up 42% in London, and it is also higher all over Britain......

    Their gun crime rate is going up....after they banned guns...in a normal world this means it isn't working.......especially since it went up 42% in London......the most surveilled city in the world......where they also have stop and frisk.....and they banned guns......

    And the other important fact........that also makes your claim meaningless...

    We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016...guess what happened...

    -- gun murder down 49%

    --gun crime down 75%

    --violent crime down 72%

    Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

    Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
     
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    the murder rate in the UK is the same as it was in 1950
    Our murder rate is the same as it was in 1950

    they have passe many very strict gun laws passed since 1950 we have not had as many or as strict

    therefore one can conclude gun laws have no effect on the murder rate over time
     
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    Gun laws are never about reducing violent crime. Gun laws are always about creating a tight control over average citizens.
     
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    None of the above in as gun laws are for the regulation of legal guns, the criminals can get guns anywhere. They had a doc on TV on guns being made in South America being shipped North to America to be sold to the American Criminals. Same as in Europe guns made in places like Russia Turkey Iran shipped for use in the Counties that have the hard gun laws. Hell I can make one in a week.
     
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    Yes I can too but you have to be very precise and you have to be very careful with the file and the sand paper or you screw up the accuracy. I can't really make a good one, very few people can.
     

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