Criminalizing speech

[Flanders]

Sandra Fluke made herself a public figure as is Rush Limbaugh. So what happened to Rush’s free speech? After all, he did not criticize an average housewife.

If liberals want to promote a political agenda by testifying before Congress they should not cry “Foul” when they take a hit. Rush gets slammed by the Left all of the time. As far as I know he never sued his attackers or called for their arrest and prosecution. The Fluke woman and Gloria Allred are not suing just yet, but they want to make speech a criminal offense. Not all speech —— just the kind that criticizes the abortion crowd:

Gloria Allred seeks Rush Limbaugh prosecution
By MJ LEE | 3/9/12 6:30 PM EST

Gloria Allred seeks Rush Limbaugh prosecution - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

Good Lord! Will the country ever go back to a time when things weren’t so complicated? Let’s lighten up on this one. The entire flap boils down to Rush doing Hank Thompson and Fluke doing Kitty Wells blaming men:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5y5jWv2xQw&feature=player_embedded]HANK THOMPSON - The Wild Side of Life - YouTube[/ame]

 

[FA_Q2]

It is not criminalized unless he is actually charged with anything. I find it highly doubtful that Rush will be charged criminally.

 

[Flanders]

It is not criminalized unless he is actually charged with anything. I find it highly doubtful that Rush will be charged criminally.

To FA_Q2: They’re trying:

Gloria Allred, the leftist who uses a fig leaf of “feminist”—only, of course, when the women involved are leftists like herself—has requested that Michael McAuliffe determine whether Rush’s characterization of Sandra Fluke as a “slut” and a “prostitute” constitutes a violation of Section 836.04 of Florida Statutes which makes it criminal to “Whoever speaks of and concerning any woman, married or unmarried, falsely and maliciously imputing to her a want of chastity, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degrees.”

Did Gloria Allred Falsely Report a Crime?
Bruce Walker Thursday, March 15, 2012

Did Gloria Allred Falsely Report a Crime?

 

[chanel]

It's all smoke and mirrors. This is propaganda designed to keep the focus off the president's failed policies. By creating a fabricated "War on Women", they hope the public will find a new imaginary enemy to hate.

It saddens me that the R's have fallen for this nonsense. Sandra Fluke's 15 mins. have passed. Move along folks. Rush will be fine. He doesn't need our help.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Sandra Fluke made herself a public figure...

that is debatable. are Sarah Palin's children public figures because they went on stage and camera?

Stop being an ass. Rush is a grown man who needs to straighten out his mind. After years of drug use hi addled brain needs cleansing

 

[editec]

Rush's FREE SPEECH is unassailed.

Thank the Constitution for that.

Now we know who he and his followers really are, what they think, and what we can expect from them, too.

God bless America for having the good sense to let people like RUSH inform us just how freaking sick he and his followers really are.

 

[Moonglow]

Sandra Fluke made herself a public figure as is Rush Limbaugh. So what happened to Rush’s free speech? After all, he did not criticize an average housewife.

If liberals want to promote a political agenda by testifying before Congress they should not cry “Foul” when they take a hit. Rush gets slammed by the Left all of the time. As far as I know he never sued his attackers or called for their arrest and prosecution. The Fluke woman and Gloria Allred are not suing just yet, but they want to make speech a criminal offense. Not all speech —— just the kind that criticizes the abortion crowd:

Gloria Allred seeks Rush Limbaugh prosecution
By MJ LEE | 3/9/12 6:30 PM EST

Gloria Allred seeks Rush Limbaugh prosecution - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

Good Lord! Will the country ever go back to a time when things weren’t so complicated? Let’s lighten up on this one. The entire flap boils down to Rush doing Hank Thompson and Fluke doing Kitty Wells blaming men:

HANK THOMPSON - The Wild Side of Life - YouTube


Kitty Wells It Wasn't God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels - YouTube

nice stretch

 

[Flanders]

Sandra Fluke's 15 mins. have passed. Move along folks. Rush will be fine. He doesn't need our help.

To chanel: That’s what I was trying to say in the OP. Now that the tide is turning against the feigned outrage liberals invoke at ever opportunity, I’d like to keep Flukegate alive a bit longer.

Sandra Fluke made herself a public figure...

that is debatable.

To Dante: I think not:

Was Fluke dragged out of obscurity after the women of America took a vote and chose her as our spokeswoman? Please, Sandra, we know how deeply private, publicity-shy and terribly busy with law school you are, but we need you to speak for us!

I don't think that happened. Rather, Fluke is the latest in a long line of my absolute favorite liberal typology: hysterical drama queens.

And this:

So, back to Fluke: Who is she, and how did she become the spokesperson for American womanhood?

And the Answer is:

Fluke was an absolute nobody who simply thrust herself into the limelight.

Who is Sandra Fluke
by Ann Coulter
3/14/2012

Who is Sandra Fluke? - HUMAN EVENTS

are Sarah Palin's children public figures because they went on stage and camera?

To Dante: Odd you should mention Sarah’s children in the context of this thread. This excerpt comes from the article I linked in #3 permalink:

Forget that this zealous quasi-advocate for [radical leftist] women has never demanded that David Letterman calling for the statutory rape of Sarah Palin’s daughter—and Letterman, unlike Rush, never apologized for his remarks - or Ed Shultz calling Laura Ingraham a “slut” also should be investigation by prosecutors. The savaging of brave conservative women, or just girls who happen to be children of those women, does not seem to trouble Allred at all.

For the record, Sarah’s 14 year old daughter, Willow, was not advocating a political agenda when Letterman attacked her. This video is a reminder of Letterman’s vicious nature:

Letterman the Jerk & Palin the Mother - YouTube

Stop being an ass. Rush is a grown man who needs to straighten out his mind. After years of drug use hi addled brain needs cleansing

To Dante: Dugs! So what was Letterman’s excuse?

Rush's FREE SPEECH is unassailed.

Thank the Constitution for that.

Now we know who he and his followers really are, what they think, and what we can expect from them, too.

God bless America for having the good sense to let people like RUSH inform us just how freaking sick he and his followers really are.

To editec: Ah! The standard liberal response. I’ll let Daniel Greenfield answer for me:

The Census Wants You
Daniel Greenfield Thursday, March 15, 2012

The Consensus Wants You

nice stretch

To Moonglow: Not much of a stretch. Anyway, you should appreciate the great B.G. quartet doing your screen name.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEmK9qFB1Y0&feature=player_embedded]Benny Goodman Quartet - Moonglow - YouTube[/ame]

 

[FA_Q2]

It is not criminalized unless he is actually charged with anything. I find it highly doubtful that Rush will be charged criminally.

To FA_Q2: They’re trying:

Gloria Allred, the leftist who uses a fig leaf of “feminist”—only, of course, when the women involved are leftists like herself—has requested that Michael McAuliffe determine whether Rush’s characterization of Sandra Fluke as a “slut” and a “prostitute” constitutes a violation of Section 836.04 of Florida Statutes which makes it criminal to “Whoever speaks of and concerning any woman, married or unmarried, falsely and maliciously imputing to her a want of chastity, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degrees.”

Did Gloria Allred Falsely Report a Crime?
Bruce Walker Thursday, March 15, 2012

Did Gloria Allred Falsely Report a Crime?

No, she is calling for it and they have done nothing. A citizen can call for anyone to be arrested for whatever reason. I can say that you should be arrested for this thread. That does not make it stifling of speech or an attack on the first amendment. It would simply make me an idiot, as she has already proven to be. If they actually try and charge him, that's another story. One that has almost no chance of ever being told.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It is not criminalized unless he is actually charged with anything. I find it highly doubtful that Rush will be charged criminally.

To FA_Q2: They’re trying:

Gloria Allred, the leftist who uses a fig leaf of “feminist”—only, of course, when the women involved are leftists like herself—has requested that Michael McAuliffe determine whether Rush’s characterization of Sandra Fluke as a “slut” and a “prostitute” constitutes a violation of Section 836.04 of Florida Statutes which makes it criminal to “Whoever speaks of and concerning any woman, married or unmarried, falsely and maliciously imputing to her a want of chastity, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degrees.”

Did Gloria Allred Falsely Report a Crime?
Bruce Walker Thursday, March 15, 2012

Did Gloria Allred Falsely Report a Crime?

Your issue is with the Florida state legislature, not Allred.

Otherwise, defamation is an exception to the First Amendment, as an injured person’s suit brought to recover damages in accordance with state law doesn’t constitute preemption. See: New York Times v. Sullivan (1964) and Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. (1974).

 

[FA_Q2]

It is not criminalized unless he is actually charged with anything. I find it highly doubtful that Rush will be charged criminally.

To FA_Q2: They’re trying:

Gloria Allred, the leftist who uses a fig leaf of “feminist”—only, of course, when the women involved are leftists like herself—has requested that Michael McAuliffe determine whether Rush’s characterization of Sandra Fluke as a “slut” and a “prostitute” constitutes a violation of Section 836.04 of Florida Statutes which makes it criminal to “Whoever speaks of and concerning any woman, married or unmarried, falsely and maliciously imputing to her a want of chastity, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degrees.”

Did Gloria Allred Falsely Report a Crime?
Bruce Walker Thursday, March 15, 2012

Did Gloria Allred Falsely Report a Crime?

Your issue is with the Florida state legislature, not Allred.

Otherwise, defamation is an exception to the First Amendment, as an injured person’s suit brought to recover damages in accordance with state law doesn’t constitute preemption. See: New York Times v. Sullivan (1964) and Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. (1974).

These are civil cases though, not criminal ones or am I missing something.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Sandra Fluke made herself a public figure as is Rush Limbaugh. So what happened to Rush’s free speech? After all, he did not criticize an average housewife.

If liberals want to promote a political agenda by testifying before Congress they should not cry “Foul” when they take a hit. Rush gets slammed by the Left all of the time. As far as I know he never sued his attackers or called for their arrest and prosecution. The Fluke woman and Gloria Allred are not suing just yet, but they want to make speech a criminal offense. Not all speech —— just the kind that criticizes the abortion crowd:

Gloria Allred seeks Rush Limbaugh prosecution
By MJ LEE | 3/9/12 6:30 PM EST

Gloria Allred seeks Rush Limbaugh prosecution - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

Good Lord! Will the country ever go back to a time when things weren’t so complicated? Let’s lighten up on this one. The entire flap boils down to Rush doing Hank Thompson and Fluke doing Kitty Wells blaming men:

HANK THOMPSON - The Wild Side of Life - YouTube


Kitty Wells It Wasn't God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels - YouTube

Uhh, I don't get your point.


Unless your point is that "free speech" means liberals aren't allowed to criticize Rush Limbaugh.

Sorry, but where in the 1st amendment does it say you're allowed to say no one is allowed to complain about Rush Limbaugh's speech?

Good Lord! Will the country ever go back to a time when things weren’t so complicated? Let’s lighten up on this one. The entire flap boils down to Rush doing Hank Thompson and Fluke doing Kitty Wells blaming men:

??? Really? Would you kindly just listen to your morning DJ show and not post here in the future?

 

[Flanders]

No, she is calling for it and they have done nothing.

To FA_Q2: What does “No,. . .” mean? I said they were trying.

 

[Flanders]

Your issue is with the Florida state legislature, not Allred.

To C_Clayton_Jones: My issue is with liberals trying to criminalize speech. So-called hate speech is ludicrous. The most offensive speech requires the most protection. No doubt, liberals will increase hate speech infractions; so I’d make touchy-feely speech a hate crime in order to restore fairness.

Hate crimes are a bigger travesty than is hate speech. A crime is a crime. Codifying “Hate crimes” is discriminatory in that it makes one victim more important than another in the eyes of the law. If ever the slippery slope argument was applicable it is in convicting an accused defendant based on their motive. The recent conviction of Dharun Ravi is a case in point:

The most serious charges — bias intimidation based on sexual orientation, a hate crime — carry up to 10 years in prison each. Legal experts said the most Ravi would probably get all together at sentencing May 21 would be 10 years.

The next excerpt shows that the law is already halfway down the slippery slope:

Ravi was not charged with causing Clementi's death, and the suicide remained largely in the background at the trial, though some witnesses mentioned it and the jury was told Clementi had taken his life. Prosecutors were not allowed to argue directly that the spying led to his death; defense lawyers were barred from saying there were other reasons he killed himself.

Former Rutgers student convicted in webcam case
By GEOFF MULVIHILL | Associated Press – 18 hrs ago

Former Rutgers student convicted in webcam case - Yahoo! News

The entire case stinks to high heaven. Only an idiot would believe that Ravi’s “motive” was not the critical factor in his conviction:

. . . defense lawyers were barred from saying there were other reasons he killed himself.

 

[Emma]

Gloria Allred seeks Rush Limbaugh prosecution

History.—s. 1, ch. 3460, 1883; RS 2419; GS 3260; RGS 5091; CGL 7193; s. 990, ch. 71-136.

If she wants to dredge up obscure, inane criminal statutes, she best be prepared for the consequences.

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/florida

 

[Flanders]

Uhh, I don't get your point.

Unless your point is that "free speech" means liberals aren't allowed to criticize Rush Limbaugh.

Sorry, but where in the 1st amendment does it say you're allowed to say no one is allowed to complain about Rush Limbaugh's speech?

To OooPooPahDoo: You have no business responding if you don’t understand the difference between criminalizing political speech and simply criticizing Rush. I’m not going to explain it to you.

??? Really? Would you kindly just listen to your morning DJ show and not post here in the future?

To OooPooPahDoo: Better still, do not read my messages. Or is it that you do not want anyone reading them?

 

[Emma]

My favorite:

You may not fart in a public place after 6 P.

Allred's from CA, right?

She better steer clear of Carmel:

Women may not wear high heels while in the city limits.

 

[Flanders]

Quote Emma
If she wants to dredge up obscure, inane criminal statutes, she best be prepared for the consequences.

To Emma: Not a chance. They still live in the years when their liberal media monopoly shielded them from consequences.

My favorite:

You may not fart in a public place after 6 P.

Allred's from CA, right?

She better steer clear of Carmel:

Women may not wear high heels while in the city limits.

To Emma: When I was a kid liberals never stopped complaining about blue laws:

blue law (noun)

1. A law designed to regulate Sunday activities, such as shopping in retail stores.

2. One of a body of laws in colonial New England designed to enforce certain moral standards and particularly to prohibit specified forms of entertainment or recreation on Sundays.

Socialists cum-liberals are now writing laws to enforce their moral standards. Many of those laws are far more dangerous than the blue laws of olde, although the examples you cite are classic blue laws.

 

[Emma]

Quote Emma
If she wants to dredge up obscure, inane criminal statutes, she best be prepared for the consequences.

To Emma: Not a chance. They still live in the years when their liberal media monopoly shielded them from consequences.

My point was that there are plenty of inane, obscure laws still on the books that, if enforced, would make Allred's head spin.

 

[Emma]

re: blue laws ...

As a conservative and all that, don't you believe a private business should be allowed to choose if they remain open on Sunday? Why should government force them to close ?