Crichton: Warmer's Nightmare

[JW Frogen]

I thought The Andromeda Strain was Crichton's worse nightmare?

Man, this guy made a lot of money out of his nightrmares, but unlike Steven King Chichton actually believed his.

 

[Samson]

I thought The Andromeda Strain was Crichton's worse nightmare?

Man, this guy made a lot of money out of his nightrmares, but unlike Steven King Chichton actually believed his.

See, its this kind of post that makes me wish the thread would stay off topic.

 

[Diuretic]

Or did the green movement emanate from socialists who can see that capitalism is destroying our habitat? Socialism is the alternative to capitalism and as such it can combat AGW whereas capitalism is indifferent to it.

The green movement is the home of displaced Soviet communists. As was evident in the environmental degradation and drastically shorter lifespans in the industrial centers of Soviet Russia, it's beyond evident that socialists/communists not at all concerned with environmental responsibility.

Even though the track record of some capitalists is far from stellar, the concept of private property and the quest for higher profitability via lest wasteful practices, free market economic models are far easier on the environment than collectivist regimes.

You're quite right that state capitalism in the Soviet Union really did over the environment. When it was first established after the revolution and the ensuing civil war the Soviet Union under Lenin really went into super industrial production mode. Lenin even brought in Taylorism to improve industrial production. I should imagine that back then, changing the Russian economy from feudalism to industrialism, the environment wasn't really on the agenda (but I could be wrong, I'm speculating). State capitalism under the Soviets would have brooked no Green opposition.

Capitalism isn't stupid. It's extremely adaptable and has shown throughout its existence that it can change itself to avoid extinction. I might even argue that capitalism evolves. It's doing so now. Smart capitalists can see money in Greening the economy and that's a good thing for the environment. Capitalists locked into high-carbon industries are opposing the Green agenda for obvious reasons.

 

[JW Frogen]

See, its this kind of post that makes me wish the thread would stay off topic.

I am really good at that, and my hourly rate is quite affordable.

 

[Bfgrn]

I for one have posted my solutions on this board many times. None of them involve sending billions of DOLLARS WE DON'T HAVE to "developing countries" as part of our "carbon debt." And NONE of them involve drilling.

The AGW hoaxers' "solutions" won't reduce pollution, won't help us reduce our dependency on foreign oil, and won't help our national security. And not only won't help the planet, will hurt it MORE.

If you had half a brain, you would realize that.

If you had a quarter of a brain you'd be aware that climate change is REAL...

Just like it was in the 1800s?

Rain follows the plow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The basic premise of the theory was that human habitation and agriculture through homesteading, effected a permanent change in the climate of arid and semi-arid regions, making these regions more humid.

This was accepted science with a consensus, back then you dolt. It, like AGW and all other religions, relies primarily on man's vanity and on faith.

Real science relies on neither, and allows neither. Otherwise, it's not science.

Just like AGW, or "climate change" or whetever they're calling it this week.

Now.

Once again we see you dodging the central point with pointless pinhead pissant pablum deflection. The "solutions" to "climate change" thus far talked about will NOT help the planet in any way. WILL NOT reduce pollution, WILL NOT reduce our dependency on foreign oil and will NOT help our security.

So, there we are. I see you didn't deny this so we are left to believe you know this and don't care. Correct?

Just like it was in the 1800s? Rain follows the plow?

Gee, I wonder if Charles Dana Wilbur consulted the President of the United States...John Adams or maybe he talked to Thomas Jefferson who began his term in 1801...

He probably didn't consult George Washington because he died in 1799...from bloodletting and calomel; feeding a patient Mercury chloride, which was the 'accepted science with a consensus' at the time!

But I'm sure Wilbur relied on satellite images...oh, wait...hmmmmmmm...

M M...now I get it, it's the size of your brain...

At least I posted relevant information. I'm sure you didn't bother to check out the author.

What next Einstein, debate if the moon is chocolate or peanut filled?

Here's your word for the day...nugget

 

[Bfgrn]

Or did the green movement emanate from socialists who can see that capitalism is destroying our habitat? Socialism is the alternative to capitalism and as such it can combat AGW whereas capitalism is indifferent to it.

The green movement is the home of displaced Soviet communists. As was evident in the environmental degradation and drastically shorter lifespans in the industrial centers of Soviet Russia, it's beyond evident that socialists/communists not at all concerned with environmental responsibility.

Even though the track record of some capitalists is far from stellar, the concept of private property and the quest for higher profitability via lest wasteful practices, free market economic models are far easier on the environment than collectivist regimes.

Soviet communists...coming from the Stalinist right?

BTW, do you live on THIS planet pea brain?

The 'concept of private property'...how about the 'concept' of the commons...property that belongs to all of us...you know, the air we breath, the water we drink, the fish, fowl, plants and animals we eat...the track record shit you briefly allude to...WHO pays for the destruction and contamination of the commons you right wing pea brain?

Free markets...HERE in America...Really? Since when? We have a subsidized market...socialism and welfare for corporations and free enterprise for the rest of us...

Better start a thread titled 'Welcome to REgressive Pea Brain Transitions!'

 

[PoliticalChic]

I for one have posted my solutions on this board many times. None of them involve sending billions of DOLLARS WE DON'T HAVE to "developing countries" as part of our "carbon debt." And NONE of them involve drilling.

The AGW hoaxers' "solutions" won't reduce pollution, won't help us reduce our dependency on foreign oil, and won't help our national security. And not only won't help the planet, will hurt it MORE.

If you had half a brain, you would realize that.

I hate to be a 'Janey-One-Note,' but let me remind all that environmentalism is merely a cover for social justice-Marxist-redistrubutive machinations of the left.

Politics, rather than the promotion of new sources of energy, has hijacked the Green Movement, espicially by those whose main motivation is the devolution of America, or to accomplish government ownership and control of our energy supply.

Sometimes it's called the “Watermelon Effect,” as it is made up of the ‘green’ pro-environment policies on the outside, hiding the red Marxist redistributive policies on the inside.

If you need proof, listen to a translation of the Chavez speech to the warmists, and when he identifies capitalism as the evil, he gets long, loud and sustained applause.


"The 'ghost in the room' at Copenhagen
Hugo Chavez said in his presentation at COP15 that there was a "silent and terrible ghost in the room" called capitalism, the reactive applause of those attending was beyond enthusiastic. After 20 minutes of his 5 minute time allotment had passed, he closed his Karl Marx quote punctuated speech saying "…socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....." At which point the audience awarded him with a standing ovation. "
American Thinker Blog: The 'ghost in the room' at Copenhagen

Or did the green movement emanate from socialists who can see that capitalism is destroying our habitat? Socialism is the alternative to capitalism and as such it can combat AGW whereas capitalism is indifferent to it.

Musical interlude:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-9OrHd6QdM[/ame]

Ah, but there is no AGW.

Unless there are "A's" on Mars.


"Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row. "
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

 

[mal]

Alright, let's just say for argument sake that global warming is a total hoax...
now:

Is pollution a hoax?
Is our dependency on oil, a resource we don't have a hoax?
Is our national security a hoax?

The problem with you pea brains is you have no real solutions, just childish whining and nay-saying...

Oh, that's right..."Drill baby drill"

I for one have posted my solutions on this board many times. None of them involve sending billions of DOLLARS WE DON'T HAVE to "developing countries" as part of our "carbon debt." And NONE of them involve drilling.

The AGW hoaxers' "solutions" won't reduce pollution, won't help us reduce our dependency on foreign oil, and won't help our national security. And not only won't help the planet, will hurt it MORE.

If you had half a brain, you would realize that.

I hate to be a 'Janey-One-Note,' but let me remind all that environmentalism is merely a cover for social justice-Marxist-redistrubutive machinations of the left.

Politics, rather than the promotion of new sources of energy, has hijacked the Green Movement, espicially by those whose main motivation is the devolution of America, or to accomplish government ownership and control of our energy supply.

Sometimes it's called the “Watermelon Effect,” as it is made up of the ‘green’ pro-environment policies on the outside, hiding the red Marxist redistributive policies on the inside.

If you need proof, listen to a translation of the Chavez speech to the warmists, and when he identifies capitalism as the evil, he gets long, loud and sustained applause.


"The 'ghost in the room' at Copenhagen
Hugo Chavez said in his presentation at COP15 that there was a "silent and terrible ghost in the room" called capitalism, the reactive applause of those attending was beyond enthusiastic. After 20 minutes of his 5 minute time allotment had passed, he closed his Karl Marx quote punctuated speech saying "…socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....." At which point the audience awarded him with a standing ovation. "
American Thinker Blog: The 'ghost in the room' at Copenhagen

peace...

 

[Samson]

State of Fears is FICTION you bunch of pea brain morons!

The problem with you pea brains is you have no real solutions, just childish whining and nay-saying...

BTW, do you live on THIS planet pea brain?

...WHO pays for the destruction and contamination of the commons you right wing pea brain?

Better start a thread titled 'Welcome to REgressive Pea Brain Transitions!'

Um.........

The thread is about a book authored by Michael Crichton, Titled STATE of FEAR, and can be bought on AMAZON for your holiday reading pleasure for $9.99.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/State-Fear-Michael-Crichton/dp/0061782661/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261237142&sr=8-1"]It is a Fictional account of Warmers Conspiring to Fake Data written BEFORE Climategate.[/ame]

Frankly, I think Crichton's science-fictional predictions will be as astonishing as Jules Verne.

 

[Ravi]

State of Fears is FICTION you bunch of pea brain morons!

The problem with you pea brains is you have no real solutions, just childish whining and nay-saying...

BTW, do you live on THIS planet pea brain?

...WHO pays for the destruction and contamination of the commons you right wing pea brain?

Better start a thread titled 'Welcome to REgressive Pea Brain Transitions!'

Um.........

The thread is about a book authored by Michael Crichton, Titled STATE of FEAR, and can be bought on AMAZON for your holiday reading pleasure for $9.99.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/State-Fear-Michael-Crichton/dp/0061782661/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261237142&sr=8-1"]It is a Fictional account of Warmers Conspiring to Fake Data written BEFORE Climategate.[/ame]

Frankly, I think Crichton's science-fictional predictions will be as astonishing as Jules Verne.

I think it more likely that the deniers got their idea to hack emails and "prove" a conspiracy from this silly book.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

If you had a quarter of a brain you'd be aware that climate change is REAL...

Just like it was in the 1800s?

Rain follows the plow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The basic premise of the theory was that human habitation and agriculture through homesteading, effected a permanent change in the climate of arid and semi-arid regions, making these regions more humid.

This was accepted science with a consensus, back then you dolt. It, like AGW and all other religions, relies primarily on man's vanity and on faith.

Real science relies on neither, and allows neither. Otherwise, it's not science.

Just like AGW, or "climate change" or whetever they're calling it this week.

Now.

Once again we see you dodging the central point with pointless pinhead pissant pablum deflection. The "solutions" to "climate change" thus far talked about will NOT help the planet in any way. WILL NOT reduce pollution, WILL NOT reduce our dependency on foreign oil and will NOT help our security.

So, there we are. I see you didn't deny this so we are left to believe you know this and don't care. Correct?

Just like it was in the 1800s? Rain follows the plow?

Gee, I wonder if Charles Dana Wilbur consulted the President of the United States...John Adams or maybe he talked to Thomas Jefferson who began his term in 1801...

He probably didn't consult George Washington because he died in 1799...from bloodletting and calomel; feeding a patient Mercury chloride, which was the 'accepted science with a consensus' at the time!

But I'm sure Wilbur relied on satellite images...oh, wait...hmmmmmmm...

M M...now I get it, it's the size of your brain...

At least I posted relevant information. I'm sure you didn't bother to check out the author.

What next Einstein, debate if the moon is chocolate or peanut filled?

Here's your word for the day...nugget

I cannot help folks like you who are toweringly, titanically, galactically willfully ignorant of historical ironies and their parallels to today.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The fucking idiot doesn't even realize this thread is in the "review" forum where books might be talked about.

Notice the knee-jerk reactionary posts by the cultists, in all threads that might be even slightly construed to be attacking their religion? It's almost as bad as Christian fundies!

Fundies were mentioned earlier today, in another thread.

It was pointed out that at least the honest good faith Christian fundies threw the Bakkers and Jimmy Swaggart overboard, when their frauds became exposed.

Seems the AGW cult would rather all meet in the pavilion and be done with it.

This is, I guess, what separates legitimate religions from cults. Because in cults, the leader can be wrong, vicious, murderous, criminal and fraudulent, and that's all okay with the followers.

 

[Samson]

State of Fears is FICTION you bunch of pea brain morons!

BTW, do you live on THIS planet pea brain?

...WHO pays for the destruction and contamination of the commons you right wing pea brain?

Better start a thread titled 'Welcome to REgressive Pea Brain Transitions!'

Um.........

The thread is about a book authored by Michael Crichton, Titled STATE of FEAR, and can be bought on AMAZON for your holiday reading pleasure for $9.99.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/State-Fear-Michael-Crichton/dp/0061782661/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261237142&sr=8-1"]It is a Fictional account of Warmers Conspiring to Fake Data written BEFORE Climategate.[/ame]

Frankly, I think Crichton's science-fictional predictions will be as astonishing as Jules Verne.

I think it more likely that the deniers got their idea to hack emails and "prove" a conspiracy from this silly book.

I thought the EXACT same thing Ravi!!!.

..except for the "silly book" part. There's often a kernal of truth in science fiction.

 

[PoliticalChic]

State of Fears is FICTION you bunch of pea brain morons!

BTW, do you live on THIS planet pea brain?

...WHO pays for the destruction and contamination of the commons you right wing pea brain?

Better start a thread titled 'Welcome to REgressive Pea Brain Transitions!'

Um.........

The thread is about a book authored by Michael Crichton, Titled STATE of FEAR, and can be bought on AMAZON for your holiday reading pleasure for $9.99.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/State-Fear-Michael-Crichton/dp/0061782661/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261237142&sr=8-1"]It is a Fictional account of Warmers Conspiring to Fake Data written BEFORE Climategate.[/ame]

Frankly, I think Crichton's science-fictional predictions will be as astonishing as Jules Verne.

I think it more likely that the deniers got their idea to hack emails and "prove" a conspiracy from this silly book.

Just a question of honor: I wonder if the pejorative phrase "hack emails" fairly leapt from your lips when the Martins intercepted the private phone call of Speaker Gingrich.

Or are you merely a partisan, to borrow a term from the left, "hack"?


"Boehner had phoned Gingrich in December 1997 to discuss an ethics reprimand against the then-speaker of the House. A Florida couple intercepted the call on a police scanner, taped it and gave it to McDermott. The next day, a transcript of the call appeared in several newspapers.

At the time of the phone call, McDermott was one of the Democratic leaders on a House Ethics Committee investigating Gingrich for using a tax-exempt group for partisan purposes.

The Florida couple, John and Alice Martin, later pleaded guilty to wrongly recording the private call and paid a fine."

Business | Judges Say Mcdermott May Have Broken Law -- Appeals Court Revives Lawsuit Over Taping Of Gingrich Call | Seattle Times Newspaper

 

[Samson]

Um.........

The thread is about a book authored by Michael Crichton, Titled STATE of FEAR, and can be bought on AMAZON for your holiday reading pleasure for $9.99.

It is a Fictional account of Warmers Conspiring to Fake Data written BEFORE Climategate.

Frankly, I think Crichton's science-fictional predictions will be as astonishing as Jules Verne.

I think it more likely that the deniers got their idea to hack emails and "prove" a conspiracy from this silly book.

Just a question of honor: I wonder if the pejorative phrase "hack emails" fairly leapt from your lips when the Martins intercepted the private phone call of Speaker Gingrich.

Or are you merely a partisan, to borrow a term from the left, "hack"?


"Boehner had phoned Gingrich in December 1997 to discuss an ethics reprimand against the then-speaker of the House. A Florida couple intercepted the call on a police scanner, taped it and gave it to McDermott. The next day, a transcript of the call appeared in several newspapers.

At the time of the phone call, McDermott was one of the Democratic leaders on a House Ethics Committee investigating Gingrich for using a tax-exempt group for partisan purposes.

The Florida couple, John and Alice Martin, later pleaded guilty to wrongly recording the private call and paid a fine."

Business | Judges Say Mcdermott May Have Broken Law -- Appeals Court Revives Lawsuit Over Taping Of Gingrich Call | Seattle Times Newspaper

I hadn't thought of this, but indeed, Climategate could just have easily been the inspiration of someone reading the Seattle Times....Maybe that person was Crichton?

 

[Oddball]

The 'concept of private property'...how about the 'concept' of the commons...property that belongs to all of us...you know, the air we breath, the water we drink, the fish, fowl, plants and animals we eat...the track record shit you briefly allude to...WHO pays for the destruction and contamination of the commons you right wing pea brain?

History has shown that when something belongs to everyone, it in fact belongs to nobody and gets treated that way. A great example is around Yellowstone, where the "common" land was leased out to Canadians, who mined the gold and then bugged out of town leaving their cynanide sluice ponds behind, for taxpayers to clean up.

Free markets...HERE in America...Really? Since when? We have a subsidized market...socialism and welfare for corporations and free enterprise for the rest of us...

You couldn't be more delusional if you had to be. That socialistic welfare state has its tentacles wrapped around just about every aspect of American life. Cherry picking those aspects that you don't like, in favor of ignoring those that you do like, is the height of disingenuousness....But par for the course for you Jethro.

 

[Bfgrn]

The 'concept of private property'...how about the 'concept' of the commons...property that belongs to all of us...you know, the air we breath, the water we drink, the fish, fowl, plants and animals we eat...the track record shit you briefly allude to...WHO pays for the destruction and contamination of the commons you right wing pea brain?

History has shown that when something belongs to everyone, it in fact belongs to nobody and gets treated that way. A great example is around Yellowstone, where the "common" land was leased out to Canadians, who mined the gold and then bugged out of town leaving their cynanide sluice ponds behind, for taxpayers to clean up.

Free markets...HERE in America...Really? Since when? We have a subsidized market...socialism and welfare for corporations and free enterprise for the rest of us...

You couldn't be more delusional if you had to be. That socialistic welfare state has its tentacles wrapped around just about every aspect of American life. Cherry picking those aspects that you don't like, in favor of ignoring those that you do like, is the height of disingenuousness....But par for the course for you Jethro.

You call me a 'Jethro' after you just gave a classic example of a subsidized market? In a TRUE free market, the cost of that Canadian mining corporation's cyanide waste would be built IN to their operating expense and it would force THEM to clean it up and force them to include those REAL costs in their market price...but they greased palms and lobbied their way into corporate welfare...

Are you really THAT clueless DUD...e

 

[CrusaderFrank]

State of Fears is FICTION you bunch of pea brain morons!

Not anymore.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Alright, let's just say for argument sake that global warming is a total hoax...
now:

Is pollution a hoax?
Is our dependency on oil, a resource we don't have a hoax?
Is our national security a hoax?

The problem with you pea brains is you have no real solutions, just childish whining and nay-saying...

Oh, that's right..."Drill baby drill"

I for one have posted my solutions on this board many times. None of them involve sending billions of DOLLARS WE DON'T HAVE to "developing countries" as part of our "carbon debt." And NONE of them involve drilling.

The AGW hoaxers' "solutions" won't reduce pollution, won't help us reduce our dependency on foreign oil, and won't help our national security. And not only won't help the planet, will hurt it MORE.

If you had half a brain, you would realize that.

If you had a quarter of a brain you'd be aware that climate change is REAL...

Climate change

With increased global energy demand, energy-related carbon dioxide emissions are expected to rise by an average of 1 percent per year through the year 2030. As was recently summarized in the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the risks to society and ecosystems from increasing greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions are significant. Meeting the enormous energy demand growth and managing the risk of GHG emissions are the twin challenges of our time.

We all must engage in the search for solutions if we are to succeed at mitigating these risks. Progress can be achieved through climate change policy frameworks that enable countries to pursue economic progress while promoting the development of technologies necessary to generate and use energy more efficiently.

Priority issues
Reducing Greenhouse Gas Emissions. Improve energy efficiency and reduce greenhouse gas emissions from our own operations as well as from energy use by consumers.

Policy Engagement. Help shape energy policies that support long-range thinking, encourage long-term investment, and allow for an integrated set of solutions.
-------------------------------------------------
This is not the words of some 'religion'...
Climate change

Hide the decline

 

[Toronado3800]

I'm probably going to skip out on reading "State of Fear". Although its close to the "Tom Clancy genre" I do read from time to time.

If the post is truly a book review then did you find the action stimulating and the penmanship concise or was it posted here to elicit responses on the scientific topic?

before the Climategate Emails revealed the Conspiracy to Fabricate Science.

If you haven't read State of Fear, then now would be terrific timing.