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    What is Creationism/Intelligent design

    It is the idea that an organism is created with forethought by an intelligent designer, as if no improvements or "adaptation" is necessary. But if one actually sit down and ask, "will man need to adapt to some unforeseen circumstances, be it temporal or permanent, how will man survive?"

    The answer to this question is yes, at proof of this exist if we think of a temporal circumstance that will require man's physiology to change to meet some condition presented to him. Such proof will punch a winding hole into creationist concepts, since not only does this adaptation takes place, it is even recognizable by all biologist be they creationists or not.

    This proof is called the Immune System. It operates by changing mans physiology whenever certain bacteria or virus are introduce to the body. New types of proteins and enzymes are created to combat the spread of disease and restore health.

    Now if there was an intelligent engineer that designed eveything and everything is a direct copy of its predecessor and not needing improvement, then this Immune system is just another attack by non-believers to destroy religion. On the other hand, maybe this designer did not create any living thing as perfect. The allowance of the immune system is therefore an admission, by the great engineer, that the organism may need to adapt in order to survive. This so-called "admission" is all the proof needed to run creationism, as it is endorsed by many anti-biology fanatics, into the ground.

    Organisms must have an internal adaptation system in order to survive. The concept of a perfect organism, that is an organism never having a need to adapt, is theological nonsense and is not backed by any scientific fact. On the other hand, the immune system is a likely suspect in the rewriting of genetic coding in living organisms. Yet, this suspicion
    is hypothetical in nature, but is enough to warrant further investigation.
     
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    All that to say that you don't think there could have been a creator because the creation is adapting. Creationists have no problem in their theory with the concept of micro-evolution or adaptation if you will. God created man, animal, and plants alike to adapt to their surroundings and to create a diversity for our enjoyment. Creationists just realize like all "observable" scientific phenomenon, everything has bounds. Evolutionism claims no bounds which exhibits a serious negligence towards the natural laws that exist.

    Intelligence cannot develop itself. Intelligence must exist in order to know how to adapt to a situation. As we can see with software engineering, software codes don't develop themselves. Thus we can see this is actually a fatal blow to evolutionism not creation science.

    The Bible says that through the sin of one man death entered into the world. Ever since the first man Adam sinned, the world has been in a downward spiral which is clearly observable. The trends and motion of planets also indicate the limitations of time which again deals a serious blow to Evolutionism.
     
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    Intelligence cannot develop itself. Intelligence must exist in order to know how to adapt to a situation.
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    LOL!!! It's funny that you should say there's no evidence for evolution, but then you give us statement for which YOU have no evidence!
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    The trends and motion of planets also indicate the limitations of time which again deals a serious blow to Evolutionism.
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    How so? The trends of the planets seem to support evolutionary theory, IMHO.
     
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    Read the post again, Light

    I said Creationism is false due to the premise that it suggest that the great engineer made things perfect and having no need to adapt to the environment. I presented a case where temporal adaptation is shown to be required!!

    By the way, the argument that evolution has no bounds and the requirement for a bound rest on the creationists to define what the bounds are and why a organism can not supercede those particular bounds. To me, people that argue in such a manner are seeking a compromise by introducing restrictions that they themselves do not know. Think about it-- if the biological system of an organism is show to adapt in such a way to change it basic physiology, why can it not record this adaptation into its DNA? Why is such a recording not allowed?

    The arguement about intelligence is flawed. Here, you assume that the organism think about the adaptation before it proceeds. Here is a question, do you think about the cold before your body sends out antibodies? The answer is no. So my example of temporal adaptation is prroof that intelligence is not needed in order for the organism to adapt.


    My arguement leaves room for a creator that added in the feature of temporal adaptability! The conjecture poised by Creationism/Intelligent design is wrong, no one is arguing about a creator!!


    BY the way--evolution is a biological concept. The motion of planets is biological and does not follow the biological concept. That is Planets are not biological systems and the biological concept of "evolution" is not applicable.
     
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    Evolution happens. Mammals, birds, reptiles, fish, plant life has evolved. Creationists are too proud to consider themselves mammals.

    Therefore, evolution cannot have happened to mankind.
     
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    Hmmmmm as if the OP author is capable of defining or discerning Divine Perfection or Purpose. Such Vanity.
     
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    I just gave you evidence with an example. Now it's your turn to give me evidence for how intelligence can come from non-intelligence.
     
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    No, it is you evolutionists that have a pride problem. It is why YOU define yourselves as homo sapiens sapiens. Now THAT is pride!

    Just curious, which race is closer to the mammal category in your humble opinion?
     
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    Evolution is like a friend with the annoying habit of starting stories in the middle of them.
    Just imagine your friend walking in to the room and saying "so the judge told me that if I get caught doing that again he's going to take the monkey and the web camera and put out a restraining order against that girl"
    That's evolution. No beginning. Just things started changing.... What things ...? The things that were there. Where did they come from ....? Never mind where they came from they just came...
     
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    Wrong. You added that last part to create a little man made of straw.


    They can adapt and change, that doesn't mean we all have a common ancestor.

    Yes but the degree of change is wildly disputed.

    Straw man...the immune system doesn't prove that we have a common ancestor. You're just being silly now.

    I lost patience because your argument was set up too weak to begin with.
     
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