Court says illegal immigrants can't have guns

[Contumacious]

You know why? They are not LEGAL citizens! There are gun laws with that amendment. And if you are illegal, tough shit. It's like saying you want convicted felons, murders, and rapists to have the right to own a gun because the constitution says so.

In what SPECIFIC manner are your rights adversely affected when undocumented aliens or tourists carry firearms to defend their lives?!?!?!!?!?

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[High_Gravity]

You know why? They are not LEGAL citizens! There are gun laws with that amendment. And if you are illegal, tough shit. It's like saying you want convicted felons, murders, and rapists to have the right to own a gun because the constitution says so.

In what SPECIFIC manner are your rights adversely affected when undocumented aliens or tourists carry firearms to defend their lives?!?!?!!?!?

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Illegal aliens don't have a status and are not allowed the same rights as American citizens, they shouldn't even be here in the first place you fuckin retard.

 

[hortysir]

You know why? They are not LEGAL citizens! There are gun laws with that amendment. And if you are illegal, tough shit. It's like saying you want convicted felons, murders, and rapists to have the right to own a gun because the constitution says so.

In what SPECIFIC manner are your rights adversely affected when undocumented aliens or tourists carry firearms to defend their lives?!?!?!!?!?

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Couldn't 2 illegal aliens carrying guns be considered an invading army?

 

[Contumacious]

You know why? They are not LEGAL citizens! There are gun laws with that amendment. And if you are illegal, tough shit. It's like saying you want convicted felons, murders, and rapists to have the right to own a gun because the constitution says so.

In what SPECIFIC manner are your rights adversely affected when undocumented aliens or tourists carry firearms to defend their lives?!?!?!!?!?

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Couldn't 2 illegal aliens carrying guns be considered an invading army?

Prior to 1965 we had open borders with Mexico and Canada. There was never a problem.

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[High_Gravity]

In what SPECIFIC manner are your rights adversely affected when undocumented aliens or tourists carry firearms to defend their lives?!?!?!!?!?

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Couldn't 2 illegal aliens carrying guns be considered an invading army?

Prior to 1965 we had open borders with Mexico and Canada. There was never a problem.

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In 1965 we didn't have shitloads of illegal immigrants coming over to suck the life out of this country you retard.

 

[hortysir]

In what SPECIFIC manner are your rights adversely affected when undocumented aliens or tourists carry firearms to defend their lives?!?!?!!?!?

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Couldn't 2 illegal aliens carrying guns be considered an invading army?

Prior to 1965 we had open borders with Mexico and Canada. There was never a problem.

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And prior to 1965 people weren't cutting other guy's hair in high school.


WTF does 1965 have to do with my statement?

According to your reply, in 1965, they wouldn't be ILLEGAL immigrants, would they?




fuckin-A......
I'm goin to mow the yard.

 

[Liability]

Of course, the lawyer is planning to appeal. There are those who believe that anyone should be able to sneak through the border and demand all rights of citizens. I can't believe this had to be decided in court.

The 10th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Denver ruled Monday that illegal
immigrants have only limited protection under the Constitution.

Court says illegal immigrants can't have guns
Court says illegal immigrants can't have guns

Next thing you know and they won't be allowed to vote, either!

 

[Contumacious]

Thus far the racists and xenophobes have failed to show compelling evidence - either legal or moral - for refusing to allow our alien friends and tourists to defend their lives while in this country.

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[High_Gravity]

Thus far the racists and xenophobes have failed to show compelling evidence - either legal or moral - for refusing to allow our alien friends and tourists to defend their lives while in this country.

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Illegal aliens don't have any status in this country you cock sucking ass licking pig fucking retard, they are not our "alien friends" and they shouldn't even be in this country.

 

[hortysir]

Thus far the racists and xenophobes have failed to show compelling evidence - either legal or moral - for refusing to allow our alien friends and tourists to defend their lives while in this country.

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Don't come here in the first fucking place.


See how easy that is?

 

[Contumacious]

Thus far the racists and xenophobes have failed to show compelling evidence - either legal or moral - for refusing to allow our alien friends and tourists to defend their lives while in this country.

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Don't come here in the first fucking place.


See how easy that is?

Oh, I see - let me guess , you are an American Indian Native and your real name is Sitting Bull.

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[BuddyColt]

This an issue that my liberal friends are completely on the wrong side of.

Illegals are criminals. Their very presence in the country is against the law of the land and therefore they are criminals.

Lets look at the issue even further though...if a corporation can hire illegal immigrants at half the wages of a citizen, offer no benefits and get away with it, then that takes jobs away from legal citizens and legal resident aliens.

Illegals are cheap labor that replace American workers.

And before anyone starts in on that They do the jobs Americans wont do propaganda, consider the fact that many illegals work under legal citizen social security numbers. Guess what happens to the people whos social security numbers are being used. The IRS goes after them for the taxes. Yeah its true. I spent 18 months in a major battle with the IRS almost lost my home and my business because an illegal used my identity for two years to work in a factory. Worst part was...the bastard made more money than I did that year ( but hey, I wasnt expecting a profit the first year. Start up costs and all ) I used to joke with the wife that the guy was better at being me than I was. And he just happened to be working in the field I had left to start my business. So yes, they DO take good jobs away from legal citizens.

You are exactly 100 percent WRONG - By the numbers:

1) It is not illegal to enter the United States without papers and it most assuredly is not a crime. Foreigners are most assuredly NOT criminals. This is discussed in the following thread:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/immigration-illegal-immigration/222686-americans-vs-mexicans.html See posting # 2

2) Foreigners without papers DO NOT steal Americans jobs. Unfortunately for the National Socialists, this is NOT a socialist country yet. The jobs still belong to the employer that creates them. It's sad that the masses of anti - immigrants do not understand the economics of their own nation. Let me give you one example:

America operates on the concept of fractional reserve banking. The way this works is that a bank can loan out FOUR DOLLARS for every dollar it holds in assets. So, let's play this out:

In a neighborhood, we can hire a dozen union workers to build houses. The house will cost 25 percent more than if cash laborers helped build it. So, these union guys get a good paycheck, drive their gas guzzlers, buy some junk made in China and their as happy as a pig in slop.

In another neighborhood, we play out the same scenario. This time, the home is built for 25 percent less. That means the home owner is sitting on more equity earlier in the game. AND, there is a bigger chunk of money sitting in the bank that they can loan out to businesses to create more jobs. Less money is going to China and Taiwan; more people are being employed and we are all better off. This is but ONE of many examples we can use.

3) We always hear this absolute horsesh!+ that the people the xenophobes delight in calling "illegal aliens" are cheating on their taxes, using stolen SSNs etc. Lie, lies and more lies by people that cannot understand immigration.

According to the Chief Actuary of the Socialist Security Administration, about 75 percent of the people in the United States without papers, apply for and get a Taxpayer Identification Number and they pay the freaking taxes. In addition, they pay into Socialist Security to the tune of about $12 BILLION DOLLARS per year and cannot, by law draw one thin dime out of that. That money accounts for between three and 5 percent of the money being paid out to current Socialist Security recipients.

As you well recall, the Hitler style National ID / REAL ID act coupled with E Verify has eliminated most identity theft by foreign workers. A lot of what you hear from people claiming that foreigners stole their ID and worked under it for any length of time is ... well that, a claim - and not very honest at that.

There are other points to be made about this at the following:

Outcasts and Outlaws :: View topic - Enemies Among Us

 

[BuddyColt]

Thus far the racists and xenophobes have failed to show compelling evidence - either legal or moral - for refusing to allow our alien friends and tourists to defend their lives while in this country.

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I am a constitutionalist... mostly hated and despised by the left, but on this issue, even a broken clock has the potential to be right twice a day. You do lack a good argument, so, let me make it for you:

The Declaration of Independence states in part:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Our country was built upon the premise that Rights are bestowed upon ALL men; that such Rights are unalienable (that word has a meaning); everybody has a Right to Life.

Yes the Declaration of Independence IS law and that issue is covered in the following:

Outcasts and Outlaws :: View topic - Is the Declaration of Independence "Law?"

Government is not in the Rights granting business. You are born with Rights. Every foreigner enters this world with the same, identical Rights as each of you. Since most National Socialists will gloss over this and never define unalienable Rights, they will not understand my posts.

The National Socialists are obsessed with some non-existent idea that because the globalists created this category of "illegal aliens," such people do not have Rights. The problem is, foreigners DO have Rights and to allow the courts to say some people are more equal than others is a slap in the face of the guarantee of the "equal protection of the laws."


Perhaps if the xenophobes would take the time to READ the immigration laws of this country, they might understand that they are half a century old and do not anticipate the reasons that a lot of people are here. For instance, there is no credible avenue for Guest Workers to come here, work and return home. For a lot of Guest Workers, if they wanted to become citizens, they would have applied for citizenship.

But, there is this segment of society that thinks because THEY didn't invite the foreigner, they ought not be here. You'd sure as hell hate to have the xenophobes as room-mates, deciding who you could and could not befriend. AND if a xenophobe treated his family and neighbors the way they treat the foreigner, ladies would have to marry the first guy that came through their front door, even if only to ask the lady out.

The only thing consistent about the anti - immigrant lobby is their hatred of the Constitution and their commitment to National Socialist principles.

 

[Contumacious]

Thus far the racists and xenophobes have failed to show compelling evidence - either legal or moral - for refusing to allow our alien friends and tourists to defend their lives while in this country.

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I am a constitutionalist... mostly hated and despised by the left, but on this issue, even a broken clock has the potential to be right twice a day. You do lack a good argument, so, let me make it for you:

The Declaration of Independence states in part:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Our country was built upon the premise that Rights are bestowed upon ALL men; that such Rights are unalienable (that word has a meaning); everybody has a Right to Life.

Yes the Declaration of Independence IS law and that issue is covered in the following:

Outcasts and Outlaws :: View topic - Is the Declaration of Independence "Law?"

Government is not in the Rights granting business. You are born with Rights. Every foreigner enters this world with the same, identical Rights as each of you. Since most National Socialists will gloss over this and never define unalienable Rights, they will not understand my posts.

The National Socialists are obsessed with some non-existent idea that because the globalists created this category of "illegal aliens," such people do not have Rights. The problem is, foreigners DO have Rights and to allow the courts to say some people are more equal than others is a slap in the face of the guarantee of the "equal protection of the laws."


Perhaps if the xenophobes would take the time to READ the immigration laws of this country, they might understand that they are half a century old and do not anticipate the reasons that a lot of people are here. For instance, there is no credible avenue for Guest Workers to come here, work and return home. For a lot of Guest Workers, if they wanted to become citizens, they would have applied for citizenship.

But, there is this segment of society that thinks because THEY didn't invite the foreigner, they ought not be here. You'd sure as hell hate to have the xenophobes as room-mates, deciding who you could and could not befriend. AND if a xenophobe treated his family and neighbors the way they treat the foreigner, ladies would have to marry the first guy that came through their front door, even if only to ask the lady out.

The only thing consistent about the anti - immigrant lobby is their hatred of the Constitution and their commitment to National Socialist principles.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Dear God, this went to court?

What part of ILLEGAL do people simply not understand?

 

[Zoom-boing]

This an issue that my liberal friends are completely on the wrong side of.

Illegals are criminals. Their very presence in the country is against the law of the land and therefore they are criminals.

Lets look at the issue even further though...if a corporation can hire illegal immigrants at half the wages of a citizen, offer no benefits and get away with it, then that takes jobs away from legal citizens and legal resident aliens.

Illegals are cheap labor that replace American workers.

And before anyone starts in on that They do the jobs Americans wont do propaganda, consider the fact that many illegals work under legal citizen social security numbers. Guess what happens to the people whos social security numbers are being used. The IRS goes after them for the taxes. Yeah its true. I spent 18 months in a major battle with the IRS almost lost my home and my business because an illegal used my identity for two years to work in a factory. Worst part was...the bastard made more money than I did that year ( but hey, I wasnt expecting a profit the first year. Start up costs and all ) I used to joke with the wife that the guy was better at being me than I was. And he just happened to be working in the field I had left to start my business. So yes, they DO take good jobs away from legal citizens.

You are exactly 100 percent WRONG - By the numbers:

1) It is not illegal to enter the United States without papers and it most assuredly is not a crime. Foreigners are most assuredly NOT criminals. This is discussed in the following thread:

*snipped*

Yes, it is.

8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

 

[Douger]

Of course, the lawyer is planning to appeal. There are those who believe that anyone should be able to sneak through the border and demand all rights of citizens. I can't believe this had to be decided in court.

The 10th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Denver ruled Monday that illegal
immigrants have only limited protection under the Constitution.

Court says illegal immigrants can't have guns
Court says illegal immigrants can't have guns

OMG ! OMG ! Does this mean they can't smoke pot too ?

 

[Contumacious]

Dear God, this went to court?

What part of ILLEGAL do people simply not understand?

The neonazi part.

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[BuddyColt]

This an issue that my liberal friends are completely on the wrong side of.

Illegals are criminals. Their very presence in the country is against the law of the land and therefore they are criminals.

Lets look at the issue even further though...if a corporation can hire illegal immigrants at half the wages of a citizen, offer no benefits and get away with it, then that takes jobs away from legal citizens and legal resident aliens.

Illegals are cheap labor that replace American workers.

And before anyone starts in on that They do the jobs Americans wont do propaganda, consider the fact that many illegals work under legal citizen social security numbers. Guess what happens to the people whos social security numbers are being used. The IRS goes after them for the taxes. Yeah its true. I spent 18 months in a major battle with the IRS almost lost my home and my business because an illegal used my identity for two years to work in a factory. Worst part was...the bastard made more money than I did that year ( but hey, I wasnt expecting a profit the first year. Start up costs and all ) I used to joke with the wife that the guy was better at being me than I was. And he just happened to be working in the field I had left to start my business. So yes, they DO take good jobs away from legal citizens.

You are exactly 100 percent WRONG - By the numbers:

1) It is not illegal to enter the United States without papers and it most assuredly is not a crime. Foreigners are most assuredly NOT criminals. This is discussed in the following thread:

*snipped*

Yes, it is.

8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

CAN YOU NOT READ THE TITLE TO THAT SECTION OF LAW???... IT'S ABOUT AN IMPROPER ACTION, NOT AN ILLEGAL ONE

Since you obviously cannot read nor use your keyboard, I will cut and paste my previous answer for you (the link was provided) proving beyond any doubt that it is NOT illegal to enter nor be in the United States without papers:

8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Notice Title 8 USC 1325 is about an IMPROPER act, not an unlawful one nor an illegal act

a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Notice, this Section (a) deals with defining THREE different things (numbered subsections): improper time or place, avoidance of examination or inspection and the misrepresentation or concealment of facts.
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

We have three distinct acts that 8 USC 1325 deals with above and a foreigner can be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned, etc., etc. HOWEVER, those crimes are specific to what is mentioned in THAT section (subsection 3.) Read them carefully with me. If you make a false or misleading representation or if the foreigner willfully conceals a material fact, that person will be tried under Title 18. The fines and terms are listed for the convenience of those researching the issue, but improper entry is NOT listed in Section 3 above. It's because entry is NOT a crime.


(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.

Here you go if you can read the above subsection (b) The penalties for entering the United States improperly only nets the offender a civil fine not exceeding $250

Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

Again, the offender must pay a civil fine of up to $250 and it has NO bearing on whether or not they are penalized for the crimes of avoidance of examination or inspection and the misrepresentation or concealment of facts

(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.*****

Editorial note: If a foreigner is detected at the border and does NOT flee and does not lie to authorities, they can be charged up to $250 civil penalty and deported. If the foreigner comes here and is NOT detected, they are not committing a crime, but if they are stopped pursuant to probable cause, they can be detained and deported - which is all civil.

It is both inaccurate and dishonest to refer to them as "illegal aliens." Perhaps more idiotic, the continued practice of calling people criminals absent Due Process has led to the same principles being applied to the activists on the right. Many of the anti - immigrants have been victims of their own failed strategies, namely failing to realize that by denying the immigrant Due Process, the rules are THE ANTI - IMMIGRANT CAN BE DENIED DUE PROCESS. It's a little provision of the 14th Amendment called the "equal protection of the laws."

Improper entry is just that. It is not illegal; it is not unlawful; it is improper.

See this link for the differences:

Outcasts and Outlaws :: View topic - Understanding the Law 2

 

[Contumacious]

This an issue that my liberal friends are completely on the wrong side of.

Illegals are criminals. Their very presence in the country is against the law of the land and therefore they are criminals.

Lets look at the issue even further though...if a corporation can hire illegal immigrants at half the wages of a citizen, offer no benefits and get away with it, then that takes jobs away from legal citizens and legal resident aliens.

Illegals are cheap labor that replace American workers.

And before anyone starts in on that They do the jobs Americans wont do propaganda, consider the fact that many illegals work under legal citizen social security numbers. Guess what happens to the people whos social security numbers are being used. The IRS goes after them for the taxes. Yeah its true. I spent 18 months in a major battle with the IRS almost lost my home and my business because an illegal used my identity for two years to work in a factory. Worst part was...the bastard made more money than I did that year ( but hey, I wasnt expecting a profit the first year. Start up costs and all ) I used to joke with the wife that the guy was better at being me than I was. And he just happened to be working in the field I had left to start my business. So yes, they DO take good jobs away from legal citizens.

You are exactly 100 percent WRONG - By the numbers:

1) It is not illegal to enter the United States without papers and it most assuredly is not a crime. Foreigners are most assuredly NOT criminals. This is discussed in the following thread:

*snipped*

Yes, it is.

8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

Identify by Article section and clause the constitutional proviso which authorized congress to enact neonazism into law?

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