Counters to these allegations of Ron Paul and white supremecy

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    The campaign's official statement about the Free Republic piece
    http://gays-for-ron.blogspot.com/2008/01/jamie-kirchick-i-dont-think-ron-paul-is.html
    Some good insight into the ridiculous allegations by the kid on Tucker Carlson
    http://reason.com/blog/show/124281.html
    "Rights belong to individuals, not groups"
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4_f7s8AKKU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4_f7s8AKKU[/ame]
    Ron Paul categorically DENIES white supremecy
    [ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=2gKXyBgr24c&watch_response"]Ron Paul: "I don't want white supremecists' support"[/ame]
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/blacksforronpaul
    [ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ItmcIxe5Fs&feature=related"]Is Ron Paul a RACIST?[/ame]
    [ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=MKKik8DVOsM"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=MKKik8DVOsM[/ame]

    These should get you started on deciding whether or not Ron Paul is a racist. Frankly, there's WAY MORE evidence to deny the racist label, then there is to support it.

    But some people, like Kathianne, already have their minds made up based on loose circumstantial evidence, and nothing Ron Paul could do would change her mind. If only you had some better supporting evidence Kathianne, maybe you would have a case.

    Either way though, start with those links I posted.
     
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    See Paulitics, I really do not like racism or discrimination in general. Do we all have some prejudices, sure. Most of us though acknowledge, are aware of them, and try to be fair in spite of them, at least with the individuals.

    In someone though I'm voting for, I want to make sure they don't have a bunch of junk in the closet. I could handle stuff like Clinton liking the ladies, if not for the lying and intimidation.

    Those newsletters though, only 2 choices it seems to me:
    1. He wrote them and is trying to blame others.
    2. He allowed his name to be attached to hate literature and never bothered to even know it.

    Either way, undeserving of representing the people of the US.
     
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    I specifically like your point #2. How many people in congress don't read the bills they endorse? PLENTY.

    I challenge you to find out specifically if your candidate, or candidate(s), have entirely read the bills they have endorsed and voted YES on. You see, to ME, that's more important than some obscure newsletter written years ago that someone did or didn't read before they signed on to it. We're talking about people doing something that actually affects this whole country immediately. You're talking about something that you don't even have any solid proof of, you're just going on your convictions.

    You don't have to vote for Ron Paul, but the way you're going about trying to make people believe he's a racist is disheartening. You just BELIEVE he is, because the loosely connecting, circumstantial evidence tells you in your OWN mind that he MUST be. It's actually getting to the point now, where some of this crap coming out can be considered SLANDER. If you don't have rock solid proof that Ron Paul panders to the W/N crowd, than you (not you, just people in general) really shouldn't as a journalist be printing these kinds of allegorical articles.

    I'm more than open to the possibility, but I just need to see more than an article taken out of context, and a random picture which is one of THOUSANDS that Ron Paul takes with people.

    Right NOW, Ron Paul has denied the allegations. The only thing you aren't satisfied with is him not giving back $500. His principles that he's adhered to his entire career, entire LIFE really, don't allow for him to do such a thing. And that, to me, is commendable. We haven't seen a man as principled as Ron Paul running for president with this much attention, probably EVER. And people want to pick him apart about something they can't even PROVE.

    It's sad.
     
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    Here's another quick 1 minute video here, of Ron talking to Wolf Blitzer about the Rosa Parks vote on funding a memorial. Ron offered to chip in $100 of HIS OWN MONEY, with a match from other congressmembers, rather than use OUR tax money, and none agreed. Instead, they wanted to TAX US for it. I can't imagine many people having less money in their own personal pockets than Ron does, considering he doesn't deal with lobbyists. That's pretty sad, if you ask me.

    Someone who's a racist wouldn't make this kind of offer. I'd say that the other congress members who DIDN'T want to pitch in $100 are more racist than Ron, if you like looking at circumstantial things.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs-0AXWV8so&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs-0AXWV8so&feature=related[/ame]
     
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    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.ht...3-de262573a129

    The Newsletters: Since at least 1978, Ron Paul has attached his name to a series of newsletters--Ron Paul's Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and The Ron Paul Investment Letter--that frequently made outrageous statements:

    In an undated solicitation letter for The Ron Paul Investment Letter and the Ron Paul Political Report, Paul writes: "I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me. Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.) The Bohemian Grove--perverted, pagan playground of the powerful. Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress's Mr. New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica."
     
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    Again, BS, as I made clear weeks ago with the Stormfront and Don Black, it would take more than the token $500, some explanation would have to be given regarding such widespread support and Paul's convincing denial of such ideas. But it doesn't matter, as he hasn't and won't.
     
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    Kathianne don't bullshit me. You know damn right well that nothing Ron can say or do will change your mind. Quit trying to make it seem like you're fence sitting and waiting for the proper explanation, you've already made up your mind.

    I'll sit idly by however, and wait for your proof.
     
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    Oh you are right there, enough information that I could find it without much trouble. Now that the MSM has picked up on it, not going to work to try and tar the messenger.

    Oh, did Paul go after those writing under those newsletters under his name? :eusa_think:
     
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    So? What if nothing he says could change her mind? There's enough wrong with him and the people who support him that she's justified. And even if she weren't... it's her perogative. We vote not only based on issues. We vote on visceral responses to people. Paul has his proponents... among the white supremacists, xenophobics, people who feel disenfranchised... that's their perogative, too.

    But all the argument in the world won't make him anything but fringe candidate.
     
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    or the mad doctor, crazy uncle. ;)
     

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