Could Trump Actually Deport 11 Million People?

[healthmyths]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

Living in reality

N-O


he's not stupid enough to yank 11 million paying customers out of our stagnant economy ... as always he's all mouth and no thinking ... he is doing nothing more than keeping his trained idiots foaming at the mouth hoping they will elect him ..

He will not deport 11 million people or build a wall. Some people are really gullible.

Well maybe he won't have to build it as idiots like you keep contending if elected you will move out of the country.
Once you idiots go, maybe the rule of law will be the RULE and not the exception. Just in case that comment went over your head.
Trump will simply enforce the laws on the books and not by executive orders allow this to happen:
Illegal immigrant families crossing border at record pace in 2016

Illegal immigrant families crossing border at record pace in 2016

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Are you nuts? No one gets past the IRS. The feds couldn't get Capone but even he couldn't get past the IRS.

How is that going to happen when the labor black market uses open fraud to register with the IRS and the IRS wont even investigate?

Link

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

According to the the vast majority of women who have worked with Trump, he is a gentleman. Of course, since he is running againdst a Democrat for PResident you nitwits think he is a monster, but everyone today knows that Democrats are morons, so its no big deal.

And Trump has never filed for a bankruptcy, dude.

He has had 4 business bankruptcies designed to help him rip off folks that he owed money too. This fool thinks he can pull similar scams with US Bonds backed by the Full Faith and Credit of the US...in any case ..here is an example of Trump ripping off a small paint contractor
Judge to Trump National: Pay contractor or face foreclosure | Miami ...

Miami-Dade County Circuit Court Judge Jorge Cueto has ordered the Donald Trump-controlled company that owns the Trump National Doral Miami golf club to pay a paint supply company $34,863.92 by June 28 or face the forced sale in auction of the world-famous property.

Trump bought the property in 2012 for $150 million. But, according to records, Cueto has already filed the paperwork for a 9 a.m. foreclosure sale to the highest bidder June 28 at the main courthouse in downtown Miami.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

And Trump has never filed for a bankruptcy, dude.

 

[healthmyths]

Are you nuts? No one gets past the IRS. The feds couldn't get Capone but even he couldn't get past the IRS.

How is that going to happen when the labor black market uses open fraud to register with the IRS and the IRS wont even investigate?

You wrote: Link

Simple... IRS allows fraudulent use of SS numbers to file tax returns!

The IRS is struggling to ensure that illegal immigrants are able to illegally use Social Security numbers for legitimate purposes,
the agency's head told senators on Tuesday, without allowing the numbers to be used for "bad" reasons.
"What we learned is that ... the IRS continues to process tax returns with false W-2 information and issue refunds as if they were routine tax returns, and say that's not really our job," Coats said. "We also learned the IRS ignores notifications from the Social Security Administration that a name does not match a Social Security number, and you use your own system to determine whether a number is valid."
He added that the agency wanted to differentiate that "bad" misuse of personal data from other uses. "There are questions about whether there's a way we could simply advise people… . A lot of the time those Social Security numbers are borrowed from friends and acquaintances and they know they've been used, other times they don't."
IRS chief: Agency encourages illegal immigrant theft of SSNs to file tax returns

And guess what... those "illegals" that are "paying" SS/Medicare payments that WILL benefit THEM will also get an Earned Income Tax credit!
So not only will they be receiving EIC credits i.e. CASH BACK, they won't pay any taxes... and when the retire get the SS/Medicare benefits.
Seems like a good deal all around doesn't it???

 

[NoNukes]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

Living in reality

N-O


he's not stupid enough to yank 11 million paying customers out of our stagnant economy ... as always he's all mouth and no thinking ... he is doing nothing more than keeping his trained idiots foaming at the mouth hoping they will elect him ..

He will not deport 11 million people or build a wall. Some people are really gullible.

Well maybe he won't have to build it as idiots like you keep contending if elected you will move out of the country.
Once you idiots go, maybe the rule of law will be the RULE and not the exception. Just in case that comment went over your head.
Trump will simply enforce the laws on the books and not by executive orders allow this to happen:
Illegal immigrant families crossing border at record pace in 2016

Illegal immigrant families crossing border at record pace in 2016

If you an intelligent reply, you would not have to resort to insults.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

And guess what... those "illegals" that are "paying" SS/Medicare payments that WILL benefit THEM will also get an Earned Income Tax credit!
So not only will they be receiving EIC credits i.e. CASH BACK, they won't pay any taxes... and when the retire get the SS/Medicare benefits.
Seems like a good deal all around doesn't it???

They will not be able to access SS benefits that they paid into.....

 

[JoeMoma]

Stop providing public education and other governments for illegals. The problem with our immigration system now is the mixed messages.
Also, we don't have to deport all 11 million at once.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

Living in reality

N-O


he's not stupid enough to yank 11 million paying customers out of our stagnant economy ... as always he's all mouth and no thinking ... he is doing nothing more than keeping his trained idiots foaming at the mouth hoping they will elect him ..

Adios!

"Establishmentarians can’t imagine that Trump would actually go through with mass deportations, much less how he would carry them out. 'I can’t even begin to picture how we would deport 11 million people in a few years when we don’t have a police state, where the police can’t break down your door at will and take you away without a warrant,' says Michael Chertoff, head of the Department of Homeland Security under George W. Bush.

"You don’t need imagination to game this out. You need history.

"Right-wingers will call the cops to report their undocumented neighbors. As in Nazi-occupied Europe, anyone with a grudge against someone without a valid I-9 form — resentful ex-boyfriends, etc. — will drop a dime to Trump’s jackbooted thugs..."
Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

11 million and 1. Adios!

 

[MrShangles]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

Unfortunately there's this little detail called the "Constitution" and its leadoff batter, the First Amendment.

1A is quite the leadoff batter too. It's always on base. That's why it's Numero Uno.

Oh sorry--- that Rapistish for "number one".

Bit of a pickle, that Constitution thing, since the first thing a POTUS has to do --- literally the first thing --- is to swear to preserve, protect and defend it. Clearly he's in no position to take that oath.

Constitution doesn't play here, they are here illegally so they aren't Americans, so sorry the constitution doesn't apply to illegals.


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[TyroneSlothrop]

Constitution doesn't play here, they are here illegally so they aren't Americans, so sorry the constitution doesn't apply to illegals.


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You need a civics class "we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal" ...all

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Also, we don't have to deport all 11 million at once.

Say Trump gets to be pretzeldent for 4 years than he would have to deport 7,534 illegals every day to get to 11 million at the end of his term

Still doesn't sound very realistic...

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Also, we don't have to deport all 11 million at once.

Say Trump gets to be pretzeldent for 4 years than he would have to deport 7,534 illegals every day to get to 11 million at the end of his term

Still doesn't sound very realistic...

Realistic. realistic? we don't need no stinking realistic...

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Realistic

 

[Divine Wind]

....All he has to do is enforce the laws currently on the books, build a good wall from sea to shining sea and focus on punishing the business owners that exploit the black market labor.

*POOF*

The illegals will self-deport.

Enforcing laws on books is always good and definitely agree the best way to resolve the illegal immigrant issue is self-deportation by enforcing or enacting laws making it illegal to hire, harbor, entice or otherwise encourage illegal immigration.

As for the wall, it would be cost prohibitive to build, maintain and staff a wall almost 2000 miles long that anyone with a row boat can go around. A virtual wall around the entire US is better for security, but for illegal immigration, it's silly. Remove the enticements for people to illegally immigrate and they'll stop coming. Those already here will self-deport.

Let's not forget that the average cost of imprisonment about $30,000/year.

 

[healthmyths]

And guess what... those "illegals" that are "paying" SS/Medicare payments that WILL benefit THEM will also get an Earned Income Tax credit!
So not only will they be receiving EIC credits i.e. CASH BACK, they won't pay any taxes... and when the retire get the SS/Medicare benefits.
Seems like a good deal all around doesn't it???

They will not be able to access SS benefits that they paid into.....

Where do you get your proof for your wrong statement?
Because HERE are the FACTS about illegal immigrants GETTING SS/Medicare benefits!!!!
I wish you idiots would do just a little modicum of research because your ignorance of how to get information from the internet wastes my time in supporting
my posts! Use the f...king Internet and prove your statements!
Here prove this statement is incorrect:..
"TyroneSothrop evidenced by his comments is a lazy, living with his parents idiot, forms opinions based on biased information!"

prove that statement is wrong!
Now as far as illegals collecting SS/Medicare.....Facts


Q: How do they claim benefits if the law prohibits illegals from collecting?

A: There are several ways it happens. One has to do with the type of SSN that was used for employment.
The 2004 law requires work authorization in order to claim Social Security.
But the law pertains only to individuals who received their SSN after January 1, 2004.
If the individual was issued an SSN prior to January 1, 2004,
like the 7 million non-work SSNs issued prior to 2003, the 2004 law prohibiting payment of Social Security does not apply.
According to the Congressional Research Service and the Government Accountability Office, that group does not need to have ever received legal work authorization in order to claim benefits — they may have worked illegally their entire careers.

As long as all other qualifications are met, and they have evidence of their earnings, like W2s, they may file a claim for Social Security benefits. Others who receive an SSN after 2004 must have work authorization to claim benefits. Yet even people who worked illegally for many years sometimes later change status. That can occur even without an amnesty, especially if the illegals have children who were born in this country. Because the children are born as U.S. citizens, when they become adults they can sponsor their parents to stay in the U.S. legally and to receive work authorization. If their parents kept W2s and evidence earnings, those work credits will be re-instated to their new SSNs. Once they receive work authorization, noncitizens can later file a claim for Social Security benefits.

Currently the SSA uses all earnings to determine entitlement to benefits, including the earnings for jobs worked illegally. The majority of seniors responding to TSCL surveys on the topic believe that noncitizens should not be allowed to receive Social Security based on illegal work. TSCL agrees. Social Security benefits are determined on earnings and work history, regardless of whether taxes were paid or not. Because those earnings are held by Social Security in an Earnings Suspense file, non-citizens could at some point gain access to benefits based on illegal earnings. TSCL strongly supports legislation that would ban the payment of Social Security based on unauthorized work.

Sources: Statement of Martin H. Gerry, Social Security Administration, Before Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Committee on Ways and Means, March 2, 2006. Individuals Who Are Not Authorized To Work In The United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion In Refundable Credits, Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration, July 7, 2011, 2011-41-061. “Social Security Benefits For Noncitizens,” Congressional Research Service, July 20, 2006, RL32004.
How "Undocumented" Workers Are Becoming Entitled To Social Security | The Senior Citizens LeagueThe Senior Citizens League

 

[georgephillip]

Constitution doesn't play here, they are here illegally so they aren't Americans, so sorry the constitution doesn't apply to illegals.

Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

"The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution.

"The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

"The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago.

"But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: 'that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage.'

"More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that 'due process' of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is 'unlawful, involuntary or transitory.'"

Would you deny the victims of human trafficking found within the US the protection of the US Constitution?

 

[Correll]

Maybe someday you'll realize that importing vast populations of Third World unskilled and semi-skilled labor is not the way to prepare American for the 21st century.

Perhaps you can explain why capital should be free to cross borders while labor is not?

Neither labor nor capital has any right to cross borders into sovereign people's territories, against the wishes of those sovereign people's wishes.


If some AMERCIAN capitalist started complaining that they were NOT allowed to invest in, say Venezuela, just how sympathetic would you be to their complaints, or God FOrbid their actions is they took steps to "illegally" invest in that nation against the wishes of that nations people and elected government?

 

[Correll]

This is an absurd diaspora created by the UN to change our country into the country of everyone, but. We either stop the assault or redefine the United States of America as an non sovereign nation of the UN.

Why are you blaming the UN instead of the US Chamber of Commerce for the problem of illegal immigration?

There is plenty of blame to go around.

Point is, time to fix it.

Pedro Go Home!

Fixing the immigration problem starts in DC:
"According to Rick Mines, author of the 2010 Indigenous Farm Worker Study, “the total population of California’s indigenous Mexican farm workers is about 120,000 … a total of 165,000 indigenous farm workers and family members in California.”3 Counting the many indigenous people living and working in urban areas, the total is considerably higher. Indigenous people made up 7% of Mexican migrants in 1991-3, the years just before the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement. In 2006-8, they made up 29%—four times more.4 - See more at: Globalization and NAFTA Caused Migration from Mexico | Political Research Associates

I know fixing the immigration problem starts in DC. That is why I want to sent Trump there.

 

[Correll]

Constitution doesn't play here, they are here illegally so they aren't Americans, so sorry the constitution doesn't apply to illegals.

Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

"The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution.

"The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

"The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago.

"But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: 'that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage.'

"More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that 'due process' of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is 'unlawful, involuntary or transitory.'"

Would you deny the victims of human trafficking found within the US the protection of the US Constitution?

How can someone who is here, illegally, against our democratically enacted laws, showing any "obedience"? Either that quote is taken badly out of context, or Madison was wrong.

And 2001? A recent precedent that can and should be ignored or overturned, because it is wrong.

And if that fucking illegal, manages to lie about being a legal, and manages to somehow get it to court? I want him charged with perjury and charged for the court costs.