Could this be the future?

If he believes the US is an "empire" then he's off to a bad start with the rest of his idiocy.

Oh wait. He is.

The US is definitely an empire.

800 US military bases abroad do not lie, sucker!
yeah, and all that tribute coming in from all those lands is SWEET


oh, wait
:lol:

You are funny! You don't even realize that with the US dollar acting as the world's reserve currency and world's commodity exchange currency tribute is flowing into the US at a rate of about $1 trillion/year.

In fact we have a name or two for it: Current accounts balance is the formal name and double deficits (trade and deficit) is the informal name.

Man you should really pay more attention. You embarrass yourself.
 
If he believes the US is an "empire" then he's off to a bad start with the rest of his idiocy.

Oh wait. He is.

The US is definitely an empire.

800 US military bases abroad do not lie, sucker!
yeah, and all that tribute coming in from all those lands is SWEET


oh, wait
:lol:

That is the point, dimbulb. We are throwing away our future maintaining an empire. One that costs us dearly every year. Empires that fail to exact tribute fail. Empires that exact tribute inspire hatred that eventualy leads to their failure. Get the point?
 
Actually, since Obama sold out the American people for tax cuts, they're HIS baby now.
Other than the paltry 2% FICA "holiday" there were no tax cuts.

he extended the ones that were supposed to expire.

That's not a cut, that's extending the Status quo.

Id love to see some real tax cuts. And some real spending cuts.

Senator Colburn was able to cut the pork to trial lawyers out of the 9/11 responders bill. Cut the thing in half. Now the victims get the same amount they were going to get and the bill is half the cost.

Id love to have ever bill get paired down to the bare essentials before its considered for passage.
 
The US is definitely an empire.

800 US military bases abroad do not lie, sucker!
yeah, and all that tribute coming in from all those lands is SWEET


oh, wait
:lol:

That is the point, dimbulb. We are throwing away our future maintaining an empire. One that costs us dearly every year. Empires that fail to exact tribute fail. Empires that exact tribute inspire hatred that eventualy leads to their failure. Get the point?
ROFLMAO
do you realize you just said that both of your examples FAIL
 
The US is definitely an empire.

800 US military bases abroad do not lie, sucker!
yeah, and all that tribute coming in from all those lands is SWEET


oh, wait
:lol:

You are funny! You don't even realize that with the US dollar acting as the world's reserve currency and world's commodity exchange currency tribute is flowing into the US at a rate of about $1 trillion/year.

In fact we have a name or two for it: Current accounts balance is the formal name and double deficits (trade and deficit) is the informal name.

Man you should really pay more attention. You embarrass yourself.
*cough* BULLSHIT*cough*
 
We may be declining. Personally, I see a lot of people awaking up. It may be too early to tell if it's enough to cause an ascendency, but the future is unpredictable like that.

If we are in decline and you think it's President Bush's fault. Then you aren't paying attention. If you think it's President Obama's fault, then you aren't paying attention.

In fact, if you think it's any one person's fault. Then you aren't paying attention. The only person we can blame if we go into decline is ourselves.

This nation grew and became what it is because individuals looked within themselves and learned to govern themselves. We did things for ourselves. We didn't look to others to build our lives. We built them ourselves.

Look at us now. We care more about seeing what we can get others to provide for us than doing things ourselves. We are too blinded by our pride to see what we can do to benefit this nation. I love discussion with countless people on this board. But even those who see the symptoms are blinded by pride and more concerned about being right then they are about doing right. Who the heck cares if we win or lose any argument for the sake of our own ego if we lose the nation we love?

We may not be able to change everyone around us. But we can change ourselves. We can eliminate the corruption that is destroying our cultures, our economy, our lives, our very nation, the liberties we hold so dear.

We can turn back to God and live. Or we can just keep going until our civilization is a page in the dustbin of history. Ignored much like we ignore all those that came before us.

Choice is up to us. Personally, I think that despite the dark times ahead, God isnt done with America, nor with the Liberty of man. Great things are coming.
 
There were already many areas that we were failing in before Bush. While he will likely be remembered as the most feckless President in our history, there are many architects to the decline of the US, if you bother to read the article.

Thus far, Trajan has made the only reply based on reading it.

Personally, I have no opinion as to whether we will see a rapid decline near the date stated. But the reasons stated are valid.


Taking down America: four scenarios for the end of the American Century by 2025 | Energy Bulletin

By 2008, the United States had already fallen to number three in global merchandise exports, with just 11% of them compared to 12% for China and 16% for the European Union. There is no reason to believe that this trend will reverse itself.

Similarly, American leadership in technological innovation is on the wane. In 2008, the U.S. was still number two behind Japan in worldwide patent applications with 232,000, but China was closing fast at 195,000, thanks to a blistering 400% increase since 2000. A harbinger of further decline: in 2009 the U.S. hit rock bottom in ranking among the 40 nations surveyed by the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation when it came to “change” in “global innovation-based competitiveness” during the previous decade. Adding substance to these statistics, in October China's Defense Ministry unveiled the world's fastest supercomputer, the Tianhe-1A, so powerful, said one U.S. expert, that it “blows away the existing No. 1 machine” in America.

Add to this clear evidence that the U.S. education system, that source of future scientists and innovators, has been falling behind its competitors. After leading the world for decades in 25- to 34-year-olds with university degrees, the country sank to 12th place in 2010. The World Economic Forum ranked the United States at a mediocre 52nd among 139 nations in the quality of its university math and science instruction in 2010. Nearly half of all graduate students in the sciences in the U.S. are now foreigners, most of whom will be heading home, not staying here as once would have happened. By 2025, in other words, the United States is likely to face a critical shortage of talented scientists.

let me help your friend timdispatch or whatever his name is, IF he wanted to bash bush he could have taken the perfectly reasonable stance that Bush by invdading Iraq has uspet the geo-political applecart in the region, the balance of power that created a vacuum that we had to fill.

The only nation who hated Iran with a passion and had the armed force and location to keep them in check was...Iraq. You have to take the long view, we may have screwed up, BUT then saddam had taken a decidedly hostile stance to us, (god knows what itf anything could have pulled him back, I suspect nothing we had to offer) and wanted to grow beyond the level our other "allies" in the region saw befitting the general status of the region, i.e. WMD.
 
Taking down America: four scenarios for the end of the American Century by 2025 | Energy Bulletin

A soft landing for America 40 years from now? Don’t bet on it. The demise of the United States as the global superpower could come far more quickly than anyone imagines. If Washington is dreaming of 2040 or 2050 as the end of the American Century, a more realistic assessment of domestic and global trends suggests that in 2025, just 15 years from now, it could all be over except for the shouting.

Despite the aura of omnipotence most empires project, a look at their history should remind us that they are fragile organisms. So delicate is their ecology of power that, when things start to go truly bad, empires regularly unravel with unholy speed: just a year for Portugal, two years for the Soviet Union, eight years for France, 11 years for the Ottomans, 17 years for Great Britain, and, in all likelihood, 22 years for the United States, counting from the crucial year 2003.

Future historians are likely to identify the Bush administration’s rash invasion of Iraq in that year as the start of America's downfall. However, instead of the bloodshed that marked the end of so many past empires, with cities burning and civilians slaughtered, this twenty-first century imperial collapse could come relatively quietly through the invisible tendrils of economic collapse or cyberwarfare

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Taking down America: four scenarios for the end of the American Century by 2025 | Energy Bulletin

A soft landing for America 40 years from now? Don’t bet on it. The demise of the United States as the global superpower could come far more quickly than anyone imagines. If Washington is dreaming of 2040 or 2050 as the end of the American Century, a more realistic assessment of domestic and global trends suggests that in 2025, just 15 years from now, it could all be over except for the shouting.

Despite the aura of omnipotence most empires project, a look at their history should remind us that they are fragile organisms. So delicate is their ecology of power that, when things start to go truly bad, empires regularly unravel with unholy speed: just a year for Portugal, two years for the Soviet Union, eight years for France, 11 years for the Ottomans, 17 years for Great Britain, and, in all likelihood, 22 years for the United States, counting from the crucial year 2003.

Future historians are likely to identify the Bush administration’s rash invasion of Iraq in that year as the start of America's downfall. However, instead of the bloodshed that marked the end of so many past empires, with cities burning and civilians slaughtered, this twenty-first century imperial collapse could come relatively quietly through the invisible tendrils of economic collapse or cyberwarfare


2025???!!!!!!!!!!!

s0n..........global warming's going to get us waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before that!! And George Bush will be universally blamed by the way.........
 
honestly the cultest mentality of the right is pretty crazy - everyone is always against them the country is always under siege or about to be subverted by secret agents and enemies within...

they give a good paranoid a run for their money
 
honestly the cultest mentality of the right is pretty crazy - everyone is always against them the country is always under siege or about to be subverted by secret agents and enemies within...

they give a good paranoid a run for their money
that actually fits only the extremes, and it fits them on BOTH left AND right
 
Actually, since Obama sold out the American people for tax cuts, they're HIS baby now.
Other than the paltry 2% FICA "holiday" there were no tax cuts.

And since we're talking, why nothing for the employer share of FICA?
There is no employer share...The money that goes to the "employer share" comes out of the percentage that employers have for payroll.

By hook or crook, the employee pays it all.
 
Other than the paltry 2% FICA "holiday" there were no tax cuts.

And since we're talking, why nothing for the employer share of FICA?
There is no employer share...The money that goes to the "employer share" comes out of the percentage that employers have for payroll.

By hook or crook, the employee pays it all.
shhh
many dont seem to understand the concept of "pay package"
 

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