CDZ Could the USA defeat Iran?

[Onyx]

Military invasion. No usage of tactical nuclear weapons in this scenario.

I have yet to hear a good argument that the US could militarily defeat Iran. Iran has half a million active duty personnel, with a sizable portion modernized. A large reserve is available, and there are many powerful tribes within Iran that would ally with the ruling government.

Sure, there is air and naval superiority. Bombardment is costly in both money, equipment, and life. As we saw in the recent conflict between Saudi Arabia and Yemen, excessive air and naval power had the ferocity of gnats.

 

[yiostheoy]

You cannot use nuclear weapons in an offensive, because this would fry your own troops.

So obviously an assault would be required to be conventional only.

Regarding the general question as to whether the USA is manned to conduct an offensive war, the answer is clear: it is not.

Only the Russians, the Chinese, and the N.Koreans currently have a sufficient military force to conduct offensive operations.

What is your next foolish question then ??

 

[JoeMoma]

You cannot use nuclear weapons in an offensive, because this would fry your own troops.

So obviously an assault would be required to be conventional only.

Regarding the general question as to whether the USA is manned to conduct an offensive war, the answer is clear: it is not.

Only the Russians, the Chinese, and the N.Koreans currently have a sufficient military force to conduct offensive operations.

What is your next foolish question then ??

If you use nukes, then you don't send in troops....until the radiation goes back down.

 

[Onyx]

You cannot use nuclear weapons in an offensive, because this would fry your own troops.

So obviously an assault would be required to be conventional only.

Not nessecarily. Most tactical nuclear weapons have a small blast radius and leave behind low radiation. They would likely be used on military bases and large troop formations.

However that is irrelevant. The scenario I am presenting is without nuclear weapons.

 

[Onyx]

If you use nukes, then you don't send in troops....until the radiation goes back down.

Radiation can linger for decades. Only smaller nuclear weapons would leave a semi-safe level of radiation, at least to navigate through (not to stay in).

 

[JoeMoma]

Hopefully, we were to invade Iran, the US military's mission and constraints concerning how to accomplish that mission will not be defined by the OP.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Have you met our new SecDef?

 

[Onyx]

Only the Russians, the Chinese, and the N.Koreans currently have a sufficient military force to conduct offensive operations.

What is your next foolish question then ??

Okay. What is your argument for the highlighted?

The US military is not ideally suited for offensive operations. Large scale mobilization is costly, and light infantry and vehicles are not the pentagons strong suit.

 

[Onyx]

Hopefully, we were to invade Iran, the US military's mission and constraints concerning how to accomplish that mission will not be defined by the OP.

It is implied that US troops would be pitted against the Iranian army, within the country of Iran.

The mission and constraints are irrelevant. I do not believe the US could "win" with a blank check and free rein on committing warcrimes.

 

[Onyx]

Have you met our new SecDef?

I haven't had the pleasure. I know that the smartest guy in the pentagon is stupider than the biggest idiot in congress. The DOD is not exactly bright.

 

[williepete]

Yes Grasshopper,

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

The Iran-Iraq war wiped out a generation of Iranian men. Today's Iran is a nation of young people. They are sick and tired of the old farts in charge who will soon go the way of the dinosaur.

Our war with Iran which was declared by them in the late 70's is a war we never recognized but have been forced to fight. It's been a real war where people are being killed regularly which won't last too many more years. A new generation is on the cusp of restoring sanity to that old and proud nation. The short term threat is if the old guys decide to take down the country with them and they get The Bomb in time to do it.

That's what makes Obama's nuke deal with those crazy old farts so criminal. All the idiot had to do was keep the sanctions and wait.

 

[fncceo]

Military invasion. No usage of tactical nuclear weapons in this scenario.

I have yet to hear a good argument that the US could militarily defeat Iran. Iran has half a million active duty personnel, with a sizable portion modernized. A large reserve is available, and there are many powerful tribes within Iran that would ally with the ruling government.

Sure, there is air and naval superiority. Bombardment is costly in both money, equipment, and life. As we saw in the recent conflict between Saudi Arabia and Yemen, excessive air and naval power had the ferocity of gnats.

The question un-asked is ... Why on Earth would the US WANT to invade Iran? Why would anyone?

With the election of Trump, we will see the re- imposition of the very effective economic sanctions on Iran which kept the Iranians from developing nuclear weapons for nearly 30 years. Nuclear weapons that Obama was very keen to see Iran acquire on his watch.

It's important to remember that while the left was screeching that the US wanted war with Iran, no serving US military leader was advocating any such thing. Iran, the chief financier of global terror, need only be isolated economically to be castrated. No need to put a single boot on the ground.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Military invasion. No usage of tactical nuclear weapons in this scenario.

I have yet to hear a good argument that the US could militarily defeat Iran. Iran has half a million active duty personnel, with a sizable portion modernized. A large reserve is available, and there are many powerful tribes within Iran that would ally with the ruling government.

Sure, there is air and naval superiority. Bombardment is costly in both money, equipment, and life. As we saw in the recent conflict between Saudi Arabia and Yemen, excessive air and naval power had the ferocity of gnats.

How old are you?

Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world at the time.

We would be in Tehran under a week.

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[Freewill]

The US military kicked the crap out of Saddam and the Teliban in Afghanistan at the same time.

Take command of the air space. Destroy their armor on the ground. The problem then becomes where is an invasion launched? The obvious answer would be Iraq but would Iraq allow such a move? The US didn't have a large army on Dec 7th 1941 and in 4 years they did a number on Germany and Japan.

So yes, we could, but the question is, if we would.

 

[Onyx]

Two posts in a row that do not answer the question.

I do not care about "The US is winning a war without fighting" or "Why would the US actually want to invade Iran?" My question is whether the US could win a war with Iran involving physical combat.

By the way, I know it is not in the United States interests to wage war with Iran. This thread is directed towards those that believe the US military is invincible, and constantly make stupid comments on the internet about kicking their asses.

 

[Onyx]

How old are you?

Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world at the time.

We would be in Tehran under a week.

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Iraq had a joke of a military. Sheer numbers mean very little.

If you truly believe that the US could defeat the Iranian military in a week, then you are beyond naive. Where did you study military theory? You people are completely delusional on the realities of 4th generation warfare.

 

[Wyatt earp]

How old are you?

Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world at the time.

We would be in Tehran under a week.

.

Iraq had a joke of a military. Sheer numbers mean very little.

If you truly believe that the US could defeat the Iranian military in a week, then you are beyond naive. Where did you study military theory? You people are completely delusional on the realities of 4th generation warfare.

Thats your answer Iraq military was a joke?

Listen kiddie that joke of an army fought your " superior " Iran miltary in a war that lasted 8 years..

Kid you dont know who you are dealing with

Iran always bluffs and photo shops..I am still waitng to see their 500mph torpedo that they claimed to invent.


Again kiddie the Iraq and Iran war lasted 8 years and we destroyed Iraq with in a week....

 

[Onyx]

The US military kicked the crap out of Saddam and the Teliban in Afghanistan at the same time.

The Taliban had 20 millitiamen with no heavy equipment garrisoned in the Afghan capital of Kabul. They were not exactly a titan army, and actually the Taliban is larger now then when the US invaded.

The Iraq army was pathetic. The army was disloyal, they had no aerial defenses, and their equipment was outdated.

Take command of the air space. Destroy their armor on the ground. The problem then becomes where is an invasion launched? The obvious answer would be Iraq but would Iraq allow such a move? The US didn't have a large army on Dec 7th 1941 and in 4 years they did a number on Germany and Japan.

That's a very simplistic plan that offers no substance. It isn't that easy.

If the US military were to invade (which they wouldn't because they would lose), they would probably achieve a naval victory in the Persian Gulf, and then launch an amphibious assault near Shiraz. That seems like the only logical invasion point in my opinion, but that is only based on my limited analysis.

 

[bullwinkle]

Hopefully, we were to invade Iran, the US military's mission and constraints concerning how to accomplish that mission will not be defined by the OP.

I have a question. If Iran minds it's own business, why would we want to defeat Iran?

 

[Onyx]

Thats your answer Iraq military was a joke?

Listen kiddie that joke of an army fought your " superior " Iran miltary in a war that lasted 8 years.

Yes, back when the Iraq military wasn't a joke. Not only did they lose that war badly, but scholars will note that they lost most of their military power afterwards.

The Iraqi military was a shell of its former self in 2003. Absolutely pathetic.

Kid you dont know who you are dealing with

Right, says the person who never studied military science.