Could Ron Paul leave the Republican Party?

Paulie

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He gets 15% of the GOP nationally, and who knows how much he gets beyond the GOP. Most of his supporters will only support him and will never vote for any of the other candidates. Most will write him in, and much of the rest will just sit it out.

This is definitely the first time I've ever seen a candidate in one of the 2 major parties have this much support that is unique to only that candidate.

This will not be like Huckabee, or Edwards, or any other 2nd/3rd place candidate whose support will simply switch to whoever their party's nominee is.

This is 15% that the GOP can be guaranteed they won't be getting.

Whether you like Paul or not, you're fucked without him, and Obama is going to win.

Sleep tight :thup:
 
EZ I just posted a thread relating to this about a minute ago.

He doesn't have to run 3rd party. He already knows that the GOP will lose out on his 15% regardless if he runs 3rd party or not, so he doesn't even have to make the tough choice. He can simply sit it out and the same result will still happen, Obama will win.
 
EZ I just posted a thread relating to this about a minute ago.

He doesn't have to run 3rd party. He already knows that the GOP will lose out on his 15% regardless if he runs 3rd party or not, so he doesn't even have to make the tough choice. He can simply sit it out and the same result will still happen, Obama will win.

Thanks for the heads up Paulie! I will now do my magic and "merge" our threads.

Ta da!
 
I'd hazard a guess that 95% of the voters for Dr. Paul wouldn't settle for a neocon squish RINO candidate, so it's not terribly credible to say that those votes would go to the "next best" GOP candidate.

Yeah the GOP is fucked without our support. Paul's got 15% nationally, and I'll be conservative and say 10% of that is "Paul or no one". The GOP can't afford to lose out on that much.
 
EZ I just posted a thread relating to this about a minute ago.

He doesn't have to run 3rd party. He already knows that the GOP will lose out on his 15% regardless if he runs 3rd party or not, so he doesn't even have to make the tough choice. He can simply sit it out and the same result will still happen, Obama will win.

Thanks for the heads up Paulie! I will now do my magic and "merge" our threads.

Ta da!

Well I don't know if it's necessarily worth merging, I just wanted to point out the main reason why I don't think he'd run 3rd party.
 
The man can not hear very well.
What will his hearing be like next year. or for four more years?
You have to be able to hear well in order to be our President.
 
I'd hazard a guess that 95% of the voters for Dr. Paul wouldn't settle for a neocon squish RINO candidate, so it's not terribly credible to say that those votes would go to the "next best" GOP candidate.

Yeah the GOP is fucked without our support. Paul's got 15% nationally, and I'll be conservative and say 10% of that is "Paul or no one". The GOP can't afford to lose out on that much.
But that 15% could well be the number of new voters have attracted by Dr. Paul being in the race, meaning that the (relatively) normal number of run-of-the-mill east coast soft socialists, shoe salesmen and other assorted suckers that the GOP has been stocked with for the last 50-odd years won't drop off significantly.

Then again, the LP could use the influx of some fresh blood.
 
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He could. He always ends up being the threat to the predicted nominee and party leadership always ends up painting him with the crazy uncle brush.

He should make the break.
 
The man can not hear very well.
What will his hearing be like next year. or for four more years?
You have to be able to hear well in order to be our President.

That doesn't matter to his supporters. I talked to several of them and they are going to vote for Paul, it doesn't matter who the GOP nominee is. I expect they will sit at home when Mitt wins the nomination.
 
We don't like most of Pauls looney ideas nor his looney supporters so its no loss. The election will be decided by the independents in the swing states as always. Not some small insignificant fraction of the gop.
 
I'd hazard a guess that 95% of the voters for Dr. Paul wouldn't settle for a neocon squish RINO candidate, so it's not terribly credible to say that those votes would go to the "next best" GOP candidate.

Yeah the GOP is fucked without our support. Paul's got 15% nationally, and I'll be conservative and say 10% of that is "Paul or no one". The GOP can't afford to lose out on that much.

I disagree as the feeling is more "anyone but Obama" than "Paul or no one". Bozo the Clown would be better than giving Obama another 4 years. Hell, I'd even take Dubya back over Obama. Gary Johnson is going to withdraw from the Republican race and go Libertarian, but his numbers were so low, it won't make a difference in the final race.
 
We don't like most of Pauls looney ideas nor his looney supporters so its no loss. The election will be decided by the independents in the swing states as always. Not some small insignificant fraction of the gop.

His "loony ideas" are the foundation to the Constitution you fakes keep claiming as the basis for your politics.

Go join the Democrat Party if those squishy dingbat moderates mean so damned much to you.
 
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I'd hazard a guess that 95% of the voters for Dr. Paul wouldn't settle for a neocon squish RINO candidate, so it's not terribly credible to say that those votes would go to the "next best" GOP candidate.

Yeah the GOP is fucked without our support. Paul's got 15% nationally, and I'll be conservative and say 10% of that is "Paul or no one". The GOP can't afford to lose out on that much.
But that 15% could well be the number of new voters have attracted by Dr. Paul being in the race, meaning that the (relatively) normal number of run-of-the-mill east coast soft socialists, shoe salesmen and other assorted suckers that the GOP has been stocked with for the last 50-odd years won't drop off significantly.

Then again, the LP could use the influx of some fresh blood.

This could be true as well. But I wouldn't think any more than 5% of that 15 is new blood. He had around 6% in 2008, and it's not a stretch to assume another 4% came to their senses within the party.

10% is a pretty big deficit to over come in the general.
 
Ron Paul has said many times that he will not run as third party.
quote " I will remain a Republican and will not leave the party to run as an independent".
 
We don't like most of Pauls looney ideas nor his looney supporters so its no loss. The election will be decided by the independents in the swing states as always. Not some small insignificant fraction of the gop.

All bets are off this time, because normally the GOP isn't missing out on 10-15% of their base support.

You're going to need every damn independent.
 
We don't like most of Pauls looney ideas nor his looney supporters so its no loss. The election will be decided by the independents in the swing states as always. Not some small insignificant fraction of the gop.

His "loony ideas" are the foundation to the Constitution you fakes keep claiming as the basis for your politics.

Go join the Democrat Party if those squishy dingbat moderates mean so damned much to you.

His ideas domestically outside of fiscal ones would lead to complete anarchy. States fighting states over recognition of local laws. Massive increases in juvenile drug use which would lead to more crime to feed the addiction.

Those are not the values I'm for. You don't control a society for a hundred years then suddenly and abruptly release them and expect positive outcomes.

Anyone who is pro drug use will NEVER get my vote. My drug use as a juvenile nearly destroyed my life and I had limited access. Open the market up and the decline of our families will be unreal.

No thanks.
 
I'd hazard a guess that 95% of the voters for Dr. Paul wouldn't settle for a neocon squish RINO candidate, so it's not terribly credible to say that those votes would go to the "next best" GOP candidate.

Yeah the GOP is fucked without our support. Paul's got 15% nationally, and I'll be conservative and say 10% of that is "Paul or no one". The GOP can't afford to lose out on that much.

I disagree as the feeling is more "anyone but Obama" than "Paul or no one". Bozo the Clown would be better than giving Obama another 4 years. Hell, I'd even take Dubya back over Obama. Gary Johnson is going to withdraw from the Republican race and go Libertarian, but his numbers were so low, it won't make a difference in the final race.

It's not anyone but Obama in the Paul camp. Of course there are some, but most will not vote for democrat-lite republicans.

Gingrich's record looks like today's democrat, and Romney has no conviction on any issue, he's about as fake as it gets.

Paul supporters know what they'll get with those 2.
 

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