Could China Beat The USA In A War?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Some of you appear lost, the prepper forum is down the hall....

Here is what the experts say about Russia and China in the next ten years.

Russia will collapse ...

"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."

Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semi-autonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.

"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."


... and the US will have to use its military to secure the country's nukes.

A deactivated Soviet-era SS-4 medium-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

Russia's nuclear-weapons infrastructure is spread across a vast geographic area. If the political disintegration Stratfor predicts ever happens, it means that weapons, uranium stocks, and delivery systems could end up exposed in what will suddenly become the world's most dangerous power vacuum.

The breakout of Russia's nuclear weapons stockpile will be "the greatest crisis of the next decade," according to Stratfor.

And the US will have to figure out what to do about it, even if it means dispatching ground troops to secure loose weapons, materials, and delivery systems.

"Washington is the only power able to address the issue, but it will not be able to seize control of the vast numbers of sites militarily and guarantee that no missile is fired in the process," the Decade Forecast states. "The United States will either have to invent a military solution that is difficult to conceive of now, accept the threat of rogue launches, or try to create a stable and economically viable government in the regions involved to neutralize the missiles over time."

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

Finally

The South China Sea islands won't start a war — but there's a catch.

The regional powers will decide that South China Sea island disputes aren't worth a major military escalation, but they will still be a symptom of a hazardous power dynamic.

"Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region," the report predicts. "Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them."

Dangerous great-power dynamics are returning to East Asia, even if it may not result in armed conflict in the South China and East China seas.

Stratfor

You can now return to your regularly programmed shows.

Interesting post

With oil hovering about $38 a barrel, Russia has lost its economic swagger. If the economy were to collapse, Putin would have to return to his despotic ways creating a civil war within the alliance

What happens to the nukes? How would they be secured? Would we go in to seize the nukes?

Russia has 8,000 nukes spread out over a huge geographical area. The United States couldn't handle that big a job so I'm inclined to think they would utilize low yield EMP to render the devices inoperable and then coordinate internationally to physically secure them. Of course it would help if we could get Russia to reduce the number of weapons before something does go haywire.

I wish i had a dime for every internet know-it-all that likes to talk about EMP!

Wipe your nose and I think I hear you mom calling you for dinner!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Could China beat the US in a war?

If we have leaders like Obama & Hillary, absolutely.

Of course, they could be hardliners like dubya, who did absolutely nothing when red china shot down that plane of ours, kept the crew hostage for weeks, and kept the plane. bush finally got even by attacking Iraq, a much weaker country, on a false pretext as it turned out. Right, such great leaders those repiglicans.

Shot down? Man are you confused!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Some of you appear lost, the prepper forum is down the hall....

Here is what the experts say about Russia and China in the next ten years.

Russia will collapse ...

"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."

Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semi-autonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.

"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."


... and the US will have to use its military to secure the country's nukes.

A deactivated Soviet-era SS-4 medium-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

Russia's nuclear-weapons infrastructure is spread across a vast geographic area. If the political disintegration Stratfor predicts ever happens, it means that weapons, uranium stocks, and delivery systems could end up exposed in what will suddenly become the world's most dangerous power vacuum.

The breakout of Russia's nuclear weapons stockpile will be "the greatest crisis of the next decade," according to Stratfor.

And the US will have to figure out what to do about it, even if it means dispatching ground troops to secure loose weapons, materials, and delivery systems.

"Washington is the only power able to address the issue, but it will not be able to seize control of the vast numbers of sites militarily and guarantee that no missile is fired in the process," the Decade Forecast states. "The United States will either have to invent a military solution that is difficult to conceive of now, accept the threat of rogue launches, or try to create a stable and economically viable government in the regions involved to neutralize the missiles over time."

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

Finally

The South China Sea islands won't start a war — but there's a catch.

The regional powers will decide that South China Sea island disputes aren't worth a major military escalation, but they will still be a symptom of a hazardous power dynamic.

"Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region," the report predicts. "Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them."

Dangerous great-power dynamics are returning to East Asia, even if it may not result in armed conflict in the South China and East China seas.

Stratfor

You can now return to your regularly programmed shows.

Interesting post

With oil hovering about $38 a barrel, Russia has lost its economic swagger. If the economy were to collapse, Putin would have to return to his despotic ways creating a civil war within the alliance

What happens to the nukes? How would they be secured? Would we go in to seize the nukes?

Russia has 8,000 nukes spread out over a huge geographical area. The United States couldn't handle that big a job so I'm inclined to think they would utilize low yield EMP to render the devices inoperable and then coordinate internationally to physically secure them. Of course it would help if we could get Russia to reduce the number of weapons before something does go haywire.

The Russians and Iranians did a test launch for a weapon called a Super EMP. This was some time ago and NK was also present for the launch tests. Every heard of a super EMP weapon? If launched - the US would be incapable of a response. (any response)

Another EMP expert? Please God. smite them now!

 

[Kosh]

Hard for the US to beat China in any type of war when we can not manufacture our own goods..

But you can thank the policies of the far left for that one..

Ha, what would fat greedy Americans do without their cheap shitty Chinese products? America would collapse without China. No Walmarts? Americans would panic and freak out. They'd riot and burn cities down.

They do that now because of horrid far left policies..

And this country would collapse since the bulk of textiles comes from overseas..

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Interesting post

With oil hovering about $38 a barrel, Russia has lost its economic swagger. If the economy were to collapse, Putin would have to return to his despotic ways creating a civil war within the alliance

What happens to the nukes? How would they be secured? Would we go in to seize the nukes?

Russia has 8,000 nukes spread out over a huge geographical area. The United States couldn't handle that big a job so I'm inclined to think they would utilize low yield EMP to render the devices inoperable and then coordinate internationally to physically secure them. Of course it would help if we could get Russia to reduce the number of weapons before something does go haywire.

The Russians and Iranians did a test launch for a weapon called a Super EMP. This was some time ago and NK was also present for the launch tests. Every heard of a super EMP weapon? If launched - the US would be incapable of a response. (any response)

An EMP would definitely hurt mainland U.S. but we have been busy shielding a lot of our more critical infrastructure over the last ten years or so. The U.S. would be capable of a response as many of our fighter jets and submarines have been shielded since the 80's.

Do you know if they are shielded from the effects of a super EMP and do you know if these same jets and submarines were fitted with Chinese made parts / chips as was the case with the jets that fell from the sky some time back? I'm wondering why would we trust the Chinese to make reliable parts for our fighter jets / subs? Why would we not manufacture these ourselves and eliminate the risk factor of something going wrong?

See articles below, nuhuh.

‘Made in China’: U.S. Military Finding Fake Chinese Electronics in Gear At Alarming Rate

Counterfeit Parts Found on P-8 Posiedons | Defense Tech

U.S. missiles infected with Chinese fakes

China Using Inferior Parts on U.S. Military Planes That Can Backdoor Spy | www.independentsentinel.com

China Counterfeit Parts in U.S. Military Boeing, L3 Aircraft

Chinese made components found in U.S. military aircraft [Archive] - SOCNET: The Special Operations Community Network

Hacked Hardware Could Cause The Next Big Security Breach

And the question on everyone's mind is............. MICROCHIPS GOVERN OUR HOMES, CITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND MILITARY. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY'RE TURNED AGAINST US?

As far as know there is no equivalency to parts and vulnerability to EMP, if the parts are used in jets that are not shielded they will fail. I do know that in Subs, wiring is used to replace solid state devices that are vulnerable and planes use a metal hybrid for protection. The cyber warfare that we are likely to see will will be costly and I do know that we are behind and are trying to outpace this problem.

Do you guys have a regular club meeting where you sit around and fantasize about EMP, when you have zero training in electrical theory, electronics, or nuclear weapons? It is like watching monkeys trying to mate with a football!

 

[paulitician]

Hard for the US to beat China in any type of war when we can not manufacture our own goods..

But you can thank the policies of the far left for that one..

Ha, what would fat greedy Americans do without their cheap shitty Chinese products? America would collapse without China. No Walmarts? Americans would panic and freak out. They'd riot and burn cities down.

They do that now because of horrid far left policies..

And this country would collapse since the bulk of textiles comes from overseas..

Seriously, fat greedy Americans wouldn't know how to survive without cheap shitty Chinese products. Imagine no Walmart for the dumbasses. They'd lose it.

 

[Indeependent]

Hard for the US to beat China in any type of war when we can not manufacture our own goods..

But you can thank the policies of the far left for that one..

Thanks GW!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If the Chinese were going to attack the United States they would use EMP weapons not nuclear devices. An EMP would essentially destroy every electronic device that was not protected. All cars would be disabled, all appliances, grids, airplanes, ships, we would not even be able to ascertain who attacked us, businesses would close because of inability to function, stores would not be restocked, food would rot for lack of a way to transport, trains and interstates would shut down for lack of a way to clear them, gasoline supplies would dwindle for lack of transport, cell phones would be useless, rioting would start within days for lack of food, medicine, communication. The ill would die off immediately for lack of insulin, proper medication and oxygen, Neighbor would be pitted against neighbor and the military and police would be preoccupied in retaining order.
Meanwhile, the two million soldiers in the People's Liberation Army would come ashore to do cleanup, the damage having been already done. Far fetched? sure. But there is no lack of fruitcakes with an agenda

What is an EMP device? It's a nuclear weapon! My God, I wish someone would get an education before spouting nonsense!

How are those 2 million troops going to get here? Walking on the dead bodies of a about a billion comrades?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If the Chinese were going to attack the United States they would use EMP weapons not nuclear devices. An EMP would essentially destroy every electronic device that was not protected. All cars would be disabled, all appliances, grids, airplanes, ships, we would not even be able to ascertain who attacked us, businesses would close because of inability to function, stores would not be restocked, food would rot for lack of a way to transport, trains and interstates would shut down for lack of a way to clear them, gasoline supplies would dwindle for lack of transport, cell phones would be useless, rioting would start within days for lack of food, medicine, communication. The ill would die off immediately for lack of insulin, proper medication and oxygen, Neighbor would be pitted against neighbor and the military and police would be preoccupied in retaining order.
Meanwhile, the two million soldiers in the People's Liberation Army would come ashore to do cleanup, the damage having been already done. Far fetched? sure. But there is no lack of fruitcakes with an agenda

We have made it clear that we would treat an EMP attack as a nuclear attack and would respond in kind. China is still much more vulnerable than we are. Even if they were to disable our electiric infrastructure, they are still incapable of landing troops on our shores. Our Navy would wipe them from the seas

We wouldn't be able to respond if we couldn't ascertain where the attack came from. A sub off our coastline could launch an EMP and disable us before we could even react. We would be a mess within days.

Why don't you face the fact that you do not have a clue about EMP and just shut up?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

rightwinger
Failure to Protect U.S. Against Electromagnetic Pulse Threat Could Make 9/11 Look Trivial Someday

Why is this so important? Because a single missile with a warhead that actually doesn’t have to be all that large, has the potential to take out the U.S. power grid, destroy our electronics networks, and create an existential crisis like nothing the world has ever witnessed.

Here’s an excerpted summary from the 2008 Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack that would make great science fiction. Unfortunately, it’s not:

The electromagnetic pulse (EMP) generated by a high altitude nuclear explosion is one of a small number of threats that can hold our society at risk of catastrophic consequences…A single EMP attack may seriously degrade or shut down a large part of the electric power grid in the geographic area of EMP exposure effective instantaneously. There is also the possibility of functional collapse of grids beyond the exposed one, as electrical effects propagate from one region to another…Should significant parts of the electric power infrastructure be lost for any substantial period of time, the Commission believes that the consequences are likely to be catastrophic, and many people may ultimately die for lack of the basic elements necessary to sustain life in dense urban and suburban communities.

The summary continues:

In fact, the Commission is deeply concerned that such impacts are likely in the event of an EMP attack unless practical steps are taken to provide protection for critical elements of the electric system and for rapid restoration of electric power, particularly to essential services.

It goes on to note that we have become so efficient, technology-dependent, and highly leveraged that utilities would lack sufficient trained service personnel to address a disaster on this scale.

The Effects and Components of Electromagnetic Pulses

The International Electrotechnical Commission defines three components associated with a nuclear electromagnetic pulse: E1, E2, and E3. The E1 pulse is brief, intense, and very quick (traveling at over 90% of the speed of light), and can take out computers and telecommunications equipment owing to its ability to exceed voltage limitations. The E2 element is intermediate in duration, lasting from a microsecond to a second after the initiation of the EMP, and is similar in its effects to lightning. As such, the grid is generally shielded against E2. By contrast, the E3 pulse is much slower, a result of the nuclear explosion affecting the earth’s magnetic field, and is very similar to the effects of an intense solar storm. The E3 effect of a nuclear blast or severe solar storm would be to create massive currents on power lines, which could then destroy electrical transformers and potentially impact power plants as well.

Image: todaysengineer.org

One curious facet of an EMP event is that we wouldn’t even feel it pass through our bodies. The EMP would pass unnoticed through us, even as it fried the iPhones and Galaxies in our pockets, knocked out our telecommunications system, rendered our cars and computers without the ability to function, and took out our power grid.

We would have little idea of the dread potentially awaiting us, because there would be no communications. No mobility. Nothing that our highly evolved, sophisticated, and electronic society relies on. That’s the bad news.

Where did you dig up that ridiculous statement I put in red text? You think ONE missile will do that? Please! Go play with your blocks!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm not your brother and going to war with China is not a conspiracy. It's reality that is going to hit you so hard your head will spin when it happens. In the meantime? Mind your own business.

We are their biggest customer, they will not be attacking us. They couldn't even get any sizable army here. I've heard their military doesn't even have guns for everyone, they use wooden guns in parades.

200 million soldiers do not need bullets when they have bayonets at the end of each rifle. Look a little closer next time.

As for their biggest customer? Do you understand what worthless money is? It's paper with nothing to back it. That is where we are right now and China knows it. Why would they continue to keep us as customers when we cannot pay? No. I'll tell you what they will do. They need land for their people. They will take ours in exchange for debt owed and Russia will back them to the very end of that endeavor.

To be clear, we have subsidized our own demise. That is what we have done.

Bayonets against our military? You can't be serious.

If they need land they would be better off attacking russia. They can't even get to this land.

Everyone still wants US $. There is no stronger currency.

Our military are mainly overseas. We've got a skeleton crew on our bases and most of those people are illegal aliens who enlisted along with foreign troops training here and if you think they are going to help - think again.

I'm talking about an invasion on the USA and massacring our population - civilians. Pay attention.

Our military is overseas, huh?

Are you seriously THAT ignorant? What foreign troops? Illegal aliens?

if you want to see what a conspiracy nut REALLY looks like, go find a mirror!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

China doesn't want to fight us.

They're far too intelligent to seriously consider the killing of their Golden Goose.

China is a regional power, at best.

The United States is a global power, at the very least.

Besides, if they went to war with us...

We would default on our debt to them...

China would go broke the very next day...

They're smarter than that...

China is not going to invade us though. Russia is. I already stated that earlier. China is going to invade Taiwan and when we respond the Russians are going to attack us. Because they are going to look out for China as she is taking over Taiwan. The Russians have always wanted to defeat America. Read the comments by Russians on the news articles from Pravda and other Russian news and you'll see they despise us. The propaganda they are told about us is that we want to do a first strike on them - of course that is not true - but there is a reason the Russians want their State media to run those stories.

Are the Russians going to learn how to walk on water too?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ha, why would China want war with the U.S.? Greedy fat ass Americans are buying all their shitty stuff. Been to a Walmart lately? Thousands of fat ass Americans in there gobbling up as much cheap shitty Chinese products as possible. So there's no reason for war with the U.S. China already won.

China wants to invade Taiwan. The Russians will use any excuse to attack the USA - they've been waiting for a reason - when we respond to China invading Taiwan? The Russians will strike us. Tell me. Why do you think the Russians are flying their bombers 50 miles off the coast of California as was reported by news media? Akula Class II subs off coast of Texas undetected for over a month? Again off the coast of Georgia? It doesn't concern you? Why not? THINK.

If they were undetected, how do you know they were there? BTW, an Akula is an attack sub which hunts other subs. We don't have subs in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If the Chinese were going to attack the United States they would use EMP weapons not nuclear devices. An EMP would essentially destroy every electronic device that was not protected. All cars would be disabled, all appliances, grids, airplanes, ships, we would not even be able to ascertain who attacked us, businesses would close because of inability to function, stores would not be restocked, food would rot for lack of a way to transport, trains and interstates would shut down for lack of a way to clear them, gasoline supplies would dwindle for lack of transport, cell phones would be useless, rioting would start within days for lack of food, medicine, communication. The ill would die off immediately for lack of insulin, proper medication and oxygen, Neighbor would be pitted against neighbor and the military and police would be preoccupied in retaining order.
Meanwhile, the two million soldiers in the People's Liberation Army would come ashore to do cleanup, the damage having been already done. Far fetched? sure. But there is no lack of fruitcakes with an agenda

We have made it clear that we would treat an EMP attack as a nuclear attack and would respond in kind. China is still much more vulnerable than we are. Even if they were to disable our electiric infrastructure, they are still incapable of landing troops on our shores. Our Navy would wipe them from the seas

We wouldn't be able to respond if we couldn't ascertain where the attack came from. A sub off our coastline could launch an EMP and disable us before we could even react. We would be a mess within days.

And your opinion is that you know this ultra 'secret' information and our military isn't prepared.

They have some bridges for sale in Brooklyn real cheap. Just ask anyone on the street and they'll be able to give you a good price.

No, he knows this because it was reported last year or the year before that the Iranians were going to be cruising in our waters within the set boundaries - they could launch an EMP from their ships and we would not be able to respond it time. There was a discussion about it some time ago. Where were you?

Please tell me what an EMP device is! How big is it? What is it's range? What is its launch platform?

Utterly and completely clueless fear mongering is your best talent.

 

[nuhuh]

If the Chinese were going to attack the United States they would use EMP weapons not nuclear devices. An EMP would essentially destroy every electronic device that was not protected. All cars would be disabled, all appliances, grids, airplanes, ships, we would not even be able to ascertain who attacked us, businesses would close because of inability to function, stores would not be restocked, food would rot for lack of a way to transport, trains and interstates would shut down for lack of a way to clear them, gasoline supplies would dwindle for lack of transport, cell phones would be useless, rioting would start within days for lack of food, medicine, communication. The ill would die off immediately for lack of insulin, proper medication and oxygen, Neighbor would be pitted against neighbor and the military and police would be preoccupied in retaining order.
Meanwhile, the two million soldiers in the People's Liberation Army would come ashore to do cleanup, the damage having been already done. Far fetched? sure. But there is no lack of fruitcakes with an agenda

We have made it clear that we would treat an EMP attack as a nuclear attack and would respond in kind. China is still much more vulnerable than we are. Even if they were to disable our electiric infrastructure, they are still incapable of landing troops on our shores. Our Navy would wipe them from the seas

We wouldn't be able to respond if we couldn't ascertain where the attack came from. A sub off our coastline could launch an EMP and disable us before we could even react. We would be a mess within days.

Why don't you face the fact that you do not have a clue about EMP and just shut up?

It appears Admiral that you have been away from the military for a long time or have deliberately avoided staying informed. Before you embarrass yourself further, Google: Counter-Electronics High Powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project with the acronym of CHAMP and step into the 21st century.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If the Chinese were going to attack the United States they would use EMP weapons not nuclear devices. An EMP would essentially destroy every electronic device that was not protected. All cars would be disabled, all appliances, grids, airplanes, ships, we would not even be able to ascertain who attacked us, businesses would close because of inability to function, stores would not be restocked, food would rot for lack of a way to transport, trains and interstates would shut down for lack of a way to clear them, gasoline supplies would dwindle for lack of transport, cell phones would be useless, rioting would start within days for lack of food, medicine, communication. The ill would die off immediately for lack of insulin, proper medication and oxygen, Neighbor would be pitted against neighbor and the military and police would be preoccupied in retaining order.
Meanwhile, the two million soldiers in the People's Liberation Army would come ashore to do cleanup, the damage having been already done. Far fetched? sure. But there is no lack of fruitcakes with an agenda

We have made it clear that we would treat an EMP attack as a nuclear attack and would respond in kind. China is still much more vulnerable than we are. Even if they were to disable our electiric infrastructure, they are still incapable of landing troops on our shores. Our Navy would wipe them from the seas

We wouldn't be able to respond if we couldn't ascertain where the attack came from. A sub off our coastline could launch an EMP and disable us before we could even react. We would be a mess within days.

And your opinion is that you know this ultra 'secret' information and our military isn't prepared.

They have some bridges for sale in Brooklyn real cheap. Just ask anyone on the street and they'll be able to give you a good price.

Actually I had a Top Secret NATO clearance and have had access to war rooms where we developed data and strategy.That does not imply that I am sharing any of that with you, just informing you that your conclusion is wrong.

Well then you are aware that the Iranians announced a year or so ago that their ships would be traveling in our waters! And to that news we did nothing! Now if one of those ships were to have an EMP aboard and they launch from 250 miles off our coast to the center of our country can they hit us or can they not hit us and knock out all our power shutting us down and putting us back to the 18th century in a NY Minute. Can they do it or not? I say yes. Yes they can. How about you. Take off your TS NATO Clearance hat and just answer as Joe Shmo - what's your take on it. Can it happen or not?

I've got one more for you. According to certain sources - there were reports that the Iranians had launched a missile with the Russians and North Koreans present to test it for a SUPER EMP launch. The technology for the Super EMP is believed to belong to the Russians but they have the leader of NK on board with them and I believe they are planning on using him for the fall guy when and if it happens. It appears that every time ( or almost every time) he has a chat with Putin he seems to have a new annoucement about planning to do a nuclear strike on America. If the Iranians launch the EMP first on the USA then the Russians are easily able to launch on our nuclear warehouses with their akula class II submarines they have sitting off our coastlines / eastern seaboard. Don't forget about their bombers that are now able to fly within 50 miles of our coastline also - as they were photographed doing off coast of California.

How do Iranians build an EMP device which is a nuclear weapon if they cannot build a nuclear weapon yet?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If the Chinese were going to attack the United States they would use EMP weapons not nuclear devices. An EMP would essentially destroy every electronic device that was not protected. All cars would be disabled, all appliances, grids, airplanes, ships, we would not even be able to ascertain who attacked us, businesses would close because of inability to function, stores would not be restocked, food would rot for lack of a way to transport, trains and interstates would shut down for lack of a way to clear them, gasoline supplies would dwindle for lack of transport, cell phones would be useless, rioting would start within days for lack of food, medicine, communication. The ill would die off immediately for lack of insulin, proper medication and oxygen, Neighbor would be pitted against neighbor and the military and police would be preoccupied in retaining order.
Meanwhile, the two million soldiers in the People's Liberation Army would come ashore to do cleanup, the damage having been already done. Far fetched? sure. But there is no lack of fruitcakes with an agenda

We have made it clear that we would treat an EMP attack as a nuclear attack and would respond in kind. China is still much more vulnerable than we are. Even if they were to disable our electiric infrastructure, they are still incapable of landing troops on our shores. Our Navy would wipe them from the seas

We wouldn't be able to respond if we couldn't ascertain where the attack came from. A sub off our coastline could launch an EMP and disable us before we could even react. We would be a mess within days.

Why don't you face the fact that you do not have a clue about EMP and just shut up?

It appears Admiral that you have been away from the military for a long time or have deliberately avoided staying informed. Before you embarrass yourself further, Google: Counter-Electronics High Powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project with the acronym of CHAMP and step into the 21st century.

So you have joined the "talking out of your ass" parade? That is NOT an EMP weapon. Note the word "microwave" in the name?

 

[nuhuh]

If the Chinese were going to attack the United States they would use EMP weapons not nuclear devices. An EMP would essentially destroy every electronic device that was not protected. All cars would be disabled, all appliances, grids, airplanes, ships, we would not even be able to ascertain who attacked us, businesses would close because of inability to function, stores would not be restocked, food would rot for lack of a way to transport, trains and interstates would shut down for lack of a way to clear them, gasoline supplies would dwindle for lack of transport, cell phones would be useless, rioting would start within days for lack of food, medicine, communication. The ill would die off immediately for lack of insulin, proper medication and oxygen, Neighbor would be pitted against neighbor and the military and police would be preoccupied in retaining order.
Meanwhile, the two million soldiers in the People's Liberation Army would come ashore to do cleanup, the damage having been already done. Far fetched? sure. But there is no lack of fruitcakes with an agenda

We have made it clear that we would treat an EMP attack as a nuclear attack and would respond in kind. China is still much more vulnerable than we are. Even if they were to disable our electiric infrastructure, they are still incapable of landing troops on our shores. Our Navy would wipe them from the seas

We wouldn't be able to respond if we couldn't ascertain where the attack came from. A sub off our coastline could launch an EMP and disable us before we could even react. We would be a mess within days.

Why don't you face the fact that you do not have a clue about EMP and just shut up?

It appears Admiral that you have been away from the military for a long time or have deliberately avoided staying informed. Before you embarrass yourself further, Google: Counter-Electronics High Powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project with the acronym of CHAMP and step into the 21st century.

So you have joined the "talking out of your ass" parade? That is NOT an EMP weapon. Note the word "microwave" in the name?

Google the name Admiral and come out of the 1950's.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Well since there are a lot of conspiracy theories about this:

How about since a good portion of our electronics is made in China, they have developed a code that input into all the electronics and all they have to do is push a button and shut them all down..

Been saying that for a long time also.
China manufactures some of our Fighter Jets...Brilliant!

Please, please just shut up!

 

[Indeependent]

Well since there are a lot of conspiracy theories about this:

How about since a good portion of our electronics is made in China, they have developed a code that input into all the electronics and all they have to do is push a button and shut them all down..

Been saying that for a long time also.
China manufactures some of our Fighter Jets...Brilliant!

Please, please just shut up!

We can disable a Smart Phone and not a Jet Engine?
Please explain in layman's terms.