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What a dumbshit you are. Is that supposed to be a parallel? REALLY? Go back to recess, Spanky.
Thank you. This was a very useful post, and it very much so contributed to the advancement of the topic of this thread.
It was every bit as useful as your "I am an island unto myself" posts. If you want to compare apples and anvils, go back to the Sports Forum.
Saying something is "our fault" implies responsibility. That's the English language for you. Attack the message, not the messenger.
It was implicit. (So in other words, your message IMPLIES it was our fault. )Welcome to the world where even if you didn't state something explicitly verbatim, the subtext is there.There is the old saying of, "if you break it, you buy it". Saddam may have been a son of a bitch, but he kept things in check in Iraq. As it is now, the different religious factions are free to fight each other for superiority and turn it into another Saudia Arabia or Iran. We had no business sticking our nose where it didn't belong and it will bite us. Not Obama, not Bush........us.
Saying something is "our fault" implies responsibility. That's the English language for you. Attack the message, not the messenger.
You know. you might have an argument if I actually said it was "our fault". I didn't. You're welcome to search all of my posts in this thread and link to where I ever said "our fault". Go ahead, I'll wait.
When you fail at that task, go here. Reading Rockets: Text Comprehension
moron
Saying something is "our fault" implies responsibility. That's the English language for you. Attack the message, not the messenger.
You know. you might have an argument if I actually said it was "our fault". I didn't. You're welcome to search all of my posts in this thread and link to where I ever said "our fault". Go ahead, I'll wait.
When you fail at that task, go here. Reading Rockets: Text Comprehension
moron
Within 30 minutes of making my post here, I got 1,100+ rep points from 6 posters for it. They got it. You didn't. Seems you are the only person reading between the lines and putting words into someone else's mouth that they didn't say. Go find a stump to argue with......maybe you'll win.
That's the basis of your self-proclaimed sense of righteousness? Would you like to be prom queen too?
Within 30 minutes of making my post here, I got 1,100+ rep points from 6 posters for it.
They got it. You didn't.
The very fact that you are so defensive proves my hypothesis.Seems you are the only person reading between the lines and putting words into someone else's mouth that they didn't say.
I think I already have. It just so happens you are a stump that talks back.Go find a stump to argue with......maybe you'll win.
Hmmmm.....sounds an awful lot like nation building to me....
We did have a responsibility to the People of Iraq, after Our forces took out the Government, which was neglected. Where was the fucking State Department during that extended period of time??? Masturbating???
And why did we take out their government? What was their threat to the US?
There is the old saying of, "if you break it, you buy it". Saddam may have been a son of a bitch, but he kept things in check in Iraq. As it is now, the different religious factions are free to fight each other for superiority and turn it into another Saudia Arabia or Iran. We had no business sticking our nose where it didn't belong and it will bite us. Not Obama, not Bush........us.
We should NEVER have been involved in this, and whatever unrest will come to Iraq, as well as Iran, will be OUR fault.
There is the old saying of, "if you break it, you buy it". Saddam may have been a son of a bitch, but he kept things in check in Iraq. As it is now, the different religious factions are free to fight each other for superiority and turn it into another Saudia Arabia or Iran. We had no business sticking our nose where it didn't belong and it will bite us. Not Obama, not Bush........us.
I take no responsibility for the invasion of Iraq. There is no "us" in this. I was not a policy maker, and I didn't stick my nose where it didn't belong. If you choose to feel a misplaced sense of guilt, you are more than welcome to carry the weight of responsibility solely on your own shoulders.
Reality check for everyone else.
I don't see that post the way you do. I saw it as 'regardless of the stupid decision made to start that war, the people whom it will bite in the butt is us". (and the iraqis... and the israelis... and saudi arabia... and egypt... and any other country that relied on iraq to keep iran in check.
i feel no 'guilt' about the war. i feel extraordinary resentment about it.
I do. Good point on checks and balances though.We should NEVER have been involved in this, and whatever unrest will come to Iraq, as well as Iran, will be OUR fault.
I don't supposed the Iraqis are HUMAN BEINGS, and some of the burden of responsibility for their actions is ON THEM. Or are you trying to juvenilize the Iraqi people? If so, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?
Are you serious? We destroyed their country and their government. They have no one to lead them. Whether we liked Saddam Hussein or not, he did provide them with leadership and seemed to keep Iran at bay. Now, look what we got in that region....
Who is this collective "we" you are talking about? I did not vote for Bush. I did not hold political office and vote to go to war. I take no responsibility. What is your ideology? Collectivism?
I am nothing like you, I am an individual, and I don't take responsibility. And I do think the elected officials hold that responsibility.
Sorry. I am an American. While I may not have agreed with Bush and his inane invasion, as an American, I do hold responsibility for my country's actions. Based on your retort, I am guessing you are one of the new Palin/Beck "partiots"?
We are all responsible..
We got too tied up in Patriotism and giving Bush free rein to "Go get the bad guys". Nobody asked the tough questions, nobody questioned the pat answers
Nobody asked "Why the Fuck are we invading Iraq?"
The invasion was wrong whether under Bush or any other President who could have been elected in 2001. Bush the Elder knew that invading Iraq without the ability to rebuild the nation as were Germany and Japan was not possible without overwhelming troop strength and coalition support after victory. General Shenseki told Rumsfeld the same thing and was retired. The wrong war in the wrong time with the wrong enemy with the wrong allies with the wrong corporations support: we the American people were taken for a ride.
None of that excuses what happened. The key factor (other than the moronic decision of "Oh, boy, let's go to war with Saddam!!!!") was the admin's refusal to follow Shinseki's advice. Fifty years from now, I believe historians will point out that Shenseki's contrary advice to Congress led Rumsfeld to firing the general and the losing of the great opportunities that an overwhelming victory in peace that could have been made.
