Correlation between atheism and statism

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    I have noticed over the years that atheists tend to gravitate towards socialism/statism/communism etc. and those of faith tend to be for limited government and be more conservative. We even see Mr. socialist himself, Karl Marx, refer to religion as an opiate. We also have examples of statists, like in the former USSR, Cuba, China etc., where religion has been condemned and those of faith persecuted or even killed for their faith. In addition, Europe, which is mostly socialist, has one of the largest, if not the largest, percentage of atheists.

    Am I the only one who sees this and is there a reason why?

    This is my theory, we are all burdened with an inner voice calling us to act in a moral fashion, and those that we look up to in authority are the ones who help shape our morality. So this authority could be the state, or the church, or our parents, or our peers etc. However, we are all influenced by the state whether we admit to it or not. Case in point is slavery in the US back in the 1800's. When it was legalized, people by in large said it was "OK". However, centuries after it being outlawed the general consensus is that it is immoral and evil. It is clear evidence that we are lemmings. So those that place the state above God naturally gravitate like sheep towards it. As the scriptures say, we are all sheep, and it shows historically. All that is required is choosing a shepherd I suppose, so choose carefully.
     
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    No correlation between theism and theocracy? No correlation between theism and rule by divine right? No correlation between theism and every monarchy? No correlation between theism and over 3,000 years of dictatorships, republics, and democracies all anointed and legitimized by various priesthoods? Really? None worth considering? None?

    Tell me about the correlation you see between theism and anarchism.
     
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    Those of more conservative faith gravitate toward dictatorships, fascist governments, and monarchies.
     
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    If you have noticed, theocracies generally devolve into despotic regimes, for the two do not go together. In effect, the state speaks for God, which is not much different than the state declaring there is no God.

    In terms of anarchism, it is of interest that in the Bible God supposidly sets up a government in Israel whereby the people have no real government, other than a group of judges to settle disputes among the people. However, the people look around at the other nations and demand a king. Although God warns them of the abuses they will encounter at the hands of a sinful man, they persist and God gives them what they desire. It is an interesting read and is in 1 Samuel 8.
     
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    You obviously cannot hear what you're saying over your cognitive dissonance.

    This is a nifty bit of self-contradiction.

    Interesting that there is no positive correlation worth mentioning to be made between theism and anarchism. Good to get that out of the way.

    How about a correlation between atheism and anarchism?
     
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    You hear voices?!?! Why should we listen to you? :eusa_eh:
     
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    Make your own observations. Have you noticed that atheists tend to support big government?
     
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    I have noticed that atheists are less likely to support big government than theists, who are natural authoritarian boot-lickers.
     
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    The People can't be made to worship the State if they're worshiping God.
     

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