Corporations - not natural persons = no natural rights

[SniperFire]

Who gets to define what "the press" is? How is it decided who is a member of "the press" and who isn't?

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.

Sorry, commie.

Huh?
Who gets to define what "the press" is? How is it decided who is a member of "the press" and who isn't? Do people who aren't members of the press have the right to do the same things as the press does?

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.

Sorry, commie.

Huh?
Who gets to define what "the press" is? How is it decided who is a member of "the press" and who isn't? Do people who aren't members of the press have the right to do the same things as the press does?

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.

How does that tell us how "the press" is defined?

 

[SniperFire]

Corporation is from the Latin corpus, which means literally body of PEOPLE.'

Corpus doesn't mean "body of people" in Latin you moron, it means just "body". Its the body of a single person - not of "people".

Can you define what "the press" is?

More failure. Epic.

LOL


'The word "corporation" derives from corpus, the Latin word for body, or a "body of people." '

Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[buckeye45_73]

Very loose ground you're treading on.

First, who gets to decide what is "political" speech and what isn't?

The same folks that get to decide what is "obscene speech" and what isn't. The legislatures and Congress would define it in as specific terms as they could - and it would be left to the Courts to decide any ambiguities - just like with every other law.

One simple twist on words, or a quote taken out of context, can turn non political speech into political speech. I especially don't trust our elected representatives to make such a distinction. Politicians will use any slimy tactic necessary to ensure their own reelection.

And when is an individual within a corporation allowed to exercise is their own personal freedom of speech? Could a CEO of BP put out a political ad with their personal money?

Individuals are not "within corporations". Individuals may own corporations, much the way an individual owns a truck or a house. Does your truck or car have the same rights as a natural human being? Nope. Does that mean you don't?

Sure they are. Just like they are within unions and the media.

In fact, they are all usually incorporated.

More Epic Fail.

I'm still waiting on Oooh's response to this one...the media and unions are ok to have these advantages, but not corporations.....hmmmmmmmm.....

 

[SniperFire]

Huh?
Who gets to define what "the press" is? How is it decided who is a member of "the press" and who isn't? Do people who aren't members of the press have the right to do the same things as the press does?

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.

How does that tell us how "the press" is defined?

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.[

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Corporation is from the Latin corpus, which means literally body of PEOPLE.'

Corpus doesn't mean "body of people" in Latin you moron, it means just "body". Its the body of a single person - not of "people".

Can you define what "the press" is?

More failure. Epic.

LOL


'The word "corporation" derives from corpus, the Latin word for body, or a "body of people." '

Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Latin I,II,III in high school and college - sorry, Wikipedia is incorrect. Consult any Latin dictionary and you'll see that "corpus" literally means the physical body of a human.

 

[Shelzin]

I didn't vote in the poll...

No... Corporations should not get to vote or give to political entities as if they were individual humans. Individuals have rights. 6 individuals do not have special rights because they are in a group, they all have the same rights individually.

Corporations are mindless entities. The people who make it up already have rights, they should not get extra or special rights because they are a part of a collection of others.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.

How does that tell us how "the press" is defined?

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.[

What was the reason for drawing such a distinction?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Who gets to define what "the press" is? How is it decided who is a member of "the press" and who isn't?

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.

Sorry, commie.

Huh?
Who gets to define what "the press" is? How is it decided who is a member of "the press" and who isn't? Do people who aren't members of the press have the right to do the same things as the press does?

Liberals and their semantic games.....YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont the press have credentials? It's really not that hard.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Corporate entities are not natural human beings so could not possibly have a soul. They are legally created entities without any tangible existence. They own tangible property but they are not tangible in and of themselves.

You're not seriously suggesting that government creates a soul when it charters a corporation, are you?

A corporation could not exist without you or I creating it. Govt doesnt create corporations.

Corporations are defined by and charted by government, they would not exist without government.

The state makes sure that objections and structure are met along with x number of allocated shares. Then, the states signs off. Obviously, an inanimate object can not make these decisions.

 

[Shelzin]

I didn't vote in the poll...

No... Corporations should not get to vote or give to political entities as if they were individual humans. Individuals have rights. 6 individuals do not have special rights because they are in a group, they all have the same rights individually.

Corporations are mindless entities. The people who make it up already have rights, they should not get extra or special rights because they are a part of a collection of others.

Oh... And just to throw it out there... Since corporations aren't individuals, then they shouldn't be taxed as if they were. Corporate tax is bullshit. It's just passed on to whoever is buying the good anyway.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I didn't vote in the poll...

No... Corporations should not get to vote or give to political entities as if they were individual humans. Individuals have rights. 6 individuals do not have special rights because they are in a group, they all have the same rights individually.

Corporations are mindless entities. The people who make it up already have rights, they should not get extra or special rights because they are a part of a collection of others.

Oh... And just to throw it out there... Since corporations aren't individuals, then they shouldn't be taxed as if they were. Corporate tax is bullshit. It's just passed on to whoever is buying the good anyway.

Corporate taxes are really fun down here. They're based upon gross receipts.

 

[SniperFire]

Corpus doesn't mean "body of people" in Latin you moron, it means just "body". Its the body of a single person - not of "people".

Can you define what "the press" is?

More failure. Epic.

LOL


'The word "corporation" derives from corpus, the Latin word for body, or a "body of people." '

Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Latin I,II,III in high school and college - sorry, Wikipedia is incorrect. Consult any Latin dictionary and you'll see that "corpus" literally means the physical body of a human.

You must have failed at Latin as you continue to fail here.

Corpus is the singular. Corpora is the plural. More than one body, or a body of people.



LOL

 

[SniperFire]

How does that tell us how "the press" is defined?

There would have been no reason to draw distinction between individuals and the 'entity' in the First Amendment had your argument any validity.[

What was the reason for drawing such a distinction?

So that some totalitarian such as yourself couldn't come along and attempt to abridge speech by claiming groups of people acting in a corporate voice shall be silenced.

 

[uscitizen]

Can you put a corporation in prison?

Can a corporation cast a vote?

Can a corporation reproduce by biological means?

Does a corporation have intelligence?

Not a person.

 

[SniperFire]

I didn't vote in the poll...

No... Corporations should not get to vote or give to political entities as if they were individual humans. Individuals have rights. 6 individuals do not have special rights because they are in a group, they all have the same rights individually.

Corporations are mindless entities. The people who make it up already have rights, they should not get extra or special rights because they are a part of a collection of others.

Oh... And just to throw it out there... Since corporations aren't individuals, then they shouldn't be taxed as if they were. Corporate tax is bullshit. It's just passed on to whoever is buying the good anyway.

Corporate taxes are really fun down here. They're based upon gross receipts.

Gross receipts? Wow. Same idea as your high sales tax?

 

[SniperFire]

Can you put a corporation in prison?

Can a corporation cast a vote?

Can a corporation reproduce by biological means?

Does a corporation have intelligence?

Not a person.

Congress shall make no laws abridging the freedom of speech.

 

[uscitizen]

Can you put a corporation in prison?

Can a corporation cast a vote?

Can a corporation reproduce by biological means?

Does a corporation have intelligence?

Not a person.

Congress shall make no laws abridging the freedom of speech.

A corporation can speak?

Or is it the peoples employed by that corporation that speak?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Can you put a corporation in prison?

Can a corporation cast a vote?

Can a corporation reproduce by biological means?

Does a corporation have intelligence?

Not a person.

Ok so how were unions getting aways



The complainant alleged that the release and distribution of FAHRENHEIT 9/11 constituted an independent expenditure because the film expressly advocated the defeat of President Bush and that by being fully or partially responsible for the film's release, Michael Moore and other entities associated with the film made excessive and/or prohibited contributions to unidentified candidates. The Commission found no reason to believe the respondents violated the Act because the film, associated trailers and website represented bona fide commercial activity, not "contributions" or "expenditures" as defined by the Federal Election Campaign Act.[7]

 

[uscitizen]

Unions are just like corporations they cannot speak either, their officers and members can but the union itself cannot.

And remember the Congress is the ultimate union to ever exist.