Copout: Parents brought children to America; no fault of their own

The extremists of both sides use ad hom, Raiderdislliker, so get over youself, son.

One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did. The children, if they meet the requirements, will benefit from acting positively.

The GOP as a whole will not follow the far right on this, because it will lead to electoral disaster in the future as the children become adults and citizens, and vote against those who tried to deprive them from staying at home.


And that is why obama is pandering to the dream act now.....HE wants the votes and needs them now.

He had most of the Hispanic voters, minus those of Cuban American descent, anyway, so it won't help right now.

But it sure will in the future if Romney, when elected, does not work for a good immigration reform law.
 
The extremists of both sides use ad hom, Raiderdislliker, so get over youself, son.

One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did. The children, if they meet the requirements, will benefit from acting positively.

The GOP as a whole will not follow the far right on this, because it will lead to electoral disaster in the future as the children become adults and citizens, and vote against those who tried to deprive them from staying at home.


And that is why obama is pandering to the dream act now.....HE wants the votes and needs them now.

He had most of the Hispanic voters, minus those of Cuban American descent, anyway, so it won't help right now.

But it sure will in the future if Romney, when elected, does not work for a good immigration reform law.

The only reason he has those votes is becasue obama is pandering to the illegals and their supporters.

The dream act is wrong....and if these potential pissed off voters want to lay blame...they should lay the blame on their illegal law breaking parents.
 
Okay; so we as conservatives agree that it's a copout. But why the disconnect with Republican lawmakers? You guys notice that none of the Republicans are rebuking the Dems with this message?

Exactly.

Because they know the tidal gravity.

These kids will INEVITABLY become citizens. It's just going to happen.

So will a lot of the 11 million who are illegally here and came here as adults.

They don't want to dig themselves into a deeper hole with these folks to get a few more bubba redneck votes. (Like they were ever going to go the Democrats.)

Not if the majority of Americans have their way they wont. These people broke our Laws, and we CANNOT AFFORD to support them, they need to go Home to their OWN Countries. People spend YEARS trying to become US Citizens LEGALLY, and they should be forced to move aside and let Illegals take precedence over them? No WAY. The only hole that is being dug is the one by people who think rewarding those who broke our Laws is the WILL of the majority of the American people... Their hole IS getting past the point where they wont be able to crawl back out, and they're going to get buried.
 
I favor strong immigration law enforcement. I admit it is troubling what is happening to the children of illegal aliens, though. They are pawns, in a sense, caught in a situation that they had NO choice in. Mercy is a quality that we show our strength. The DREAM act may be one way to help overcome our immigration problems. I don't know. It may be better for all if these poor kids are given a chance to become productive citizens than to punish them for their parent's mistakes. I don't think that is a cop out. On the other hand, these kids and immigration/hispanic activists have to stop blaming American immigration laws, and place the sole blame of this situation on the parents that came here illegally. That blame shifting is the real cop out here. It may take a long long time, or it may never happen, but illegal aliens have to take responsibility for the harm they are doing to their children and to this culture. When that happens, we may all heal.
 
The extremists of both sides use ad hom, Raiderdislliker, so get over youself, son.

One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did. The children, if they meet the requirements, will benefit from acting positively.

The GOP as a whole will not follow the far right on this, because it will lead to electoral disaster in the future as the children become adults and citizens, and vote against those who tried to deprive them from staying at home.

An ad hominem argument is not based in logic. By the way, unless you know my age, don't call me "son".
 
Okay; so we as conservatives agree that it's a copout. But why the disconnect with Republican lawmakers? You guys notice that none of the Republicans are rebuking the Dems with this message?

Exactly.

Because they know the tidal gravity.

These kids will INEVITABLY become citizens. It's just going to happen.

So will a lot of the 11 million who are illegally here and came here as adults.

They don't want to dig themselves into a deeper hole with these folks to get a few more bubba redneck votes. (Like they were ever going to go the Democrats.)

Not if the majority of Americans have their way they wont. These people broke our Laws, and we CANNOT AFFORD to support them, they need to go Home to their OWN Countries. People spend YEARS trying to become US Citizens LEGALLY, and they should be forced to move aside and let Illegals take precedence over them? No WAY. The only hole that is being dug is the one by people who think rewarding those who broke our Laws is the WILL of the majority of the American people... Their hole IS getting past the point where they wont be able to crawl back out, and they're going to get buried.

a child brought by his parent who is now a citizen broker our laws?

:cuckoo:
 
I favor strong immigration law enforcement. I admit it is troubling what is happening to the children of illegal aliens, though. They are pawns, in a sense, caught in a situation that they had NO choice in. Mercy is a quality that we show our strength. The DREAM act may be one way to help overcome our immigration problems. I don't know. It may be better for all if these poor kids are given a chance to become productive citizens than to punish them for their parent's mistakes. I don't think that is a cop out. On the other hand, these kids and immigration/hispanic activists have to stop blaming American immigration laws, and place the sole blame of this situation on the parents that came here illegally. That blame shifting is the real cop out here. It may take a long long time, or it may never happen, but illegal aliens have to take responsibility for the harm they are doing to their children and to this culture. When that happens, we may all heal.

As previously pointed out, the families of these "children" are already starting to beat the drum about keeping families together. This only opens the door to allowing those very same parents who put their own children into such an abysmal situation to profit by not only their criminal activity, but by using their children as tools to mitigate their crimes.
 
The extremists of both sides use ad hom, Raiderdislliker, so get over youself, son.

One, the children don't benefit from what the parents did. The children, if they meet the requirements, will benefit from acting positively.

The GOP as a whole will not follow the far right on this, because it will lead to electoral disaster in the future as the children become adults and citizens, and vote against those who tried to deprive them from staying at home.

An ad hominem argument is not based in logic. By the way, unless you know my age, don't call me "son".

Sure, son. Don't like being poked, then don't poke.
 
Okay; so we as conservatives agree that it's a copout. But why the disconnect with Republican lawmakers? You guys notice that none of the Republicans are rebuking the Dems with this message?

Exactly.

Because they know the tidal gravity.

These kids will INEVITABLY become citizens. It's just going to happen.

So will a lot of the 11 million who are illegally here and came here as adults.

They don't want to dig themselves into a deeper hole with these folks to get a few more bubba redneck votes. (Like they were ever going to go the Democrats.)

Not if the majority of Americans have their way they wont. These people broke our Laws, and we CANNOT AFFORD to support them, they need to go Home to their OWN Countries. People spend YEARS trying to become US Citizens LEGALLY, and they should be forced to move aside and let Illegals take precedence over them? No WAY. The only hole that is being dug is the one by people who think rewarding those who broke our Laws is the WILL of the majority of the American people... Their hole IS getting past the point where they wont be able to crawl back out, and they're going to get buried.

Your opinion is the minority, that won't change.
 
Copout: Parents brought children to America; no fault of their own

Typical from the rw's.

Punish brown people even if they have broken no law but stick up for a murderer when he stalks and kills a teenager who had the gall to walk to the convenience store for ice tea and candy.

But, are they racist?

They're insulted if you so much as suggest the obvious.
 
Just because a child is brought here by a parent has he/she lost his citizenship in his native country? No. He/she can exist there.

It's a copout to say oh we're hurting these children who were brought here through no fault of their own. That's b.s. families are responsible for their fates. And to reward those families while other families are legally waiting is irresponsible.

Frankly, it's obvious that Obama created this bleeding heart narrative on the heels of an election b/c who wants to be a hard ass and say fair is fair?

Sorry dude, but the standard is you're a citizen of your native country and you have to legally apply for citizenship. Just b/c your mommy or daddy broke the law doesn't give you any special rights that others do not have.

The only thing that is obvious is your ignorance of the law and Constitution.

It has been a long-standing principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence that a child may not be subject to punitive measures as a consequence of a parent’s misdeeds. This fundamental principle has been time and again reaffirmed by the Supreme Court. See: Weber v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co. (1972), Plyler v. Doe (1982).

Consequently the Administration’s use of prosecutorial discretion in this matter is perfectly valid both with regard to established and accepted procedure and Constitutional case law.

Your opposition to the policy is clearly partisan, if a republican administration were to enact the same policy you’d fully support it.

So we should take the minor child away from the parents we deport?
 
Just because a child is brought here by a parent has he/she lost his citizenship in his native country? No. He/she can exist there.

It's a copout to say oh we're hurting these children who were brought here through no fault of their own. That's b.s. families are responsible for their fates. And to reward those families while other families are legally waiting is irresponsible.

Frankly, it's obvious that Obama created this bleeding heart narrative on the heels of an election b/c who wants to be a hard ass and say fair is fair?

Sorry dude, but the standard is you're a citizen of your native country and you have to legally apply for citizenship. Just b/c your mommy or daddy broke the law doesn't give you any special rights that others do not have.

The only thing that is obvious is your ignorance of the law and Constitution.

It has been a long-standing principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence that a child may not be subject to punitive measures as a consequence of a parent’s misdeeds. This fundamental principle has been time and again reaffirmed by the Supreme Court. See: Weber v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co. (1972), Plyler v. Doe (1982).

Consequently the Administration’s use of prosecutorial discretion in this matter is perfectly valid both with regard to established and accepted procedure and Constitutional case law.

Your opposition to the policy is clearly partisan, if a republican administration were to enact the same policy you’d fully support it.

So we should take the minor child away from the parents we deport?

Of course not. You have just given one of the reasons we need a sane, flexible immigration reform program under soon to be President Romney. There will not be many deportations, as you hope. Won't happen.
 
The only thing that is obvious is your ignorance of the law and Constitution.

It has been a long-standing principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence that a child may not be subject to punitive measures as a consequence of a parent’s misdeeds. This fundamental principle has been time and again reaffirmed by the Supreme Court. See: Weber v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co. (1972), Plyler v. Doe (1982).

Consequently the Administration’s use of prosecutorial discretion in this matter is perfectly valid both with regard to established and accepted procedure and Constitutional case law.

Your opposition to the policy is clearly partisan, if a republican administration were to enact the same policy you’d fully support it.

So we should take the minor child away from the parents we deport?

Of course not. You have just given one of the reasons we need a sane, flexible immigration reform program under soon to be President Romney. There will not be many deportations, as you hope. Won't happen.

So we take the kid away while the parents spend time in jail, then.
 
Not gonna happen, unless you break the law in your wanting folks to go away who are already home and are not going to go away.
 
But no. Mexicans scare the living shit out of bigots. Even YOUNG Mexicans scare the pussies.

Yeah, well there is a case there, too.

Americans can see their culture being over taken by Latinos and they don't like it.

Are there things to like about Latino culture? Sure, there is plenty. But there is still plenty to dislike.

Sure, you can talk about the drug cartels, the seemingly lack of respect for life and the gangs.

However, the most concerning thing for me, if I was an American citizen, is that most of these immigrants come from countries that are endemically corrupt. With the exception of Chile and Argentina over the past 20 years, almost every other Latin and South American country has basically been a Banana Republic, and it would concern me if those immigrants brought those mores, morals and standards into my country.
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We all know that there is corruption at certain levels in the US, but it is not institutionalised like it has been in Latin America, and when perps are caught in the US, they get the book thrown at them. Just ask Rod Blagojevich...
 
Copout: Parents brought children to America; no fault of their own

Typical from the rw's.

Punish brown people even if they have broken no law but stick up for a murderer when he stalks and kills a teenager who had the gall to walk to the convenience store for ice tea and candy.

But, are they racist?

They're insulted if you so much as suggest the obvious.

So I guess when we put a drug dealer in jail.... we should take care of their kids too?

Do we make sure they get special college funds and welfare?

Do we take care of the kids of murderers and rapists?

Do we take care of the kids when a dad goes to jail for DWI and loses his job?

Do we make sure they get special treatment, move to the front of the line... etc etc...

Fuck you, you typical liberal asshole... you dont give a damn about "brown people"... you racist intollerant bigot!!!
 

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