Cooperate America is at war with its workers and customers.

[Zarius]

They do not want to share the pie. Less hours less benefits. Blaming Obama care but in reality it is their greed and general hate for others that are causing these problems. Don't they understand that taking more and more from the workers hands and putting it in the CEOs hand decreases the buying power of their customers?

they systematically dismanteled the middle class in this last fiasco of theirs.


Now the republicans have lost the power to keep doing this.

We have to fix our elecdtions system so they cant cheat anymore.


They will NEVER win another elections with this corporate platform again unless they can fix elections.

They will NOW work on completely fixing the elections because its their ONLY path to power now.


The republican party either stops being their minions or the party dies.

Spoken like a true blue Democrat who is for communism and a one party rule dictatorship.

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought you could use some help getting your head out of your ass.

 

[WillowTree]

dear willow,

No one wants to replace them.

We want to limit their power over the people and make sure they dont seek to harm Americans for profits sake.


We have done it in the past and it created the best middle class the world had ever seen.

That created the greatest prosperity the country ever saw.


Why do you not like prosperity?

Make no mistake, when you get through fucking over the corporations in the manner in which you'd like, they will leave America.. so what do you intend to replace them with? Do tell.

People.

UNEMPLOYED people..

 

[WillowTree]

dear willow,

No one wants to replace them.

We want to limit their power over the people and make sure they dont seek to harm Americans for profits sake.


We have done it in the past and it created the best middle class the world had ever seen.

That created the greatest prosperity the country ever saw.


Why do you not like prosperity?

Make no mistake, when you get through fucking over the corporations in the manner in which you'd like, they will leave America.. so what do you intend to replace them with? Do tell.

dear idiot,

when has any one of YOUR predictions on the effect of policy EVER come true?


willow you have never been proven correct ever

Have you any idea how many corporations have already left America? I'll bet you're totally fucking clueless.

 

[Koios]

They do not want to share the pie. Less hours less benefits. Blaming Obama care but in reality it is their greed and general hate for others that are causing these problems. Don't they understand that taking more and more from the workers hands and putting it in the CEOs hand decreases the buying power of their customers?

They're in the greed business. It's our job as citizens to demand that our elected officials enact policies that protect the society (and markets businesses depend on for their survival) from unmitigated greed, which will ultimately implode under the wieght of its own success, which it did, 80 years ago, and nearly did 4 years ago.

The reason we are not doing that, in sufficient numbers, is because business interests have turned their marketing genius, for which American businesses are the envy of the world, to the task of molding public opinion in ways that advantage businesses, albeit in the medium term. The objective is to keep taxes and wages low, thus transferring wealth from consumers / workers to shareholders ... which is ironic, since one of their favorite misinfomation tools is "Wealth Redistribution." And that's been carefully evolved into "Class Warfare," since brands, as good marketing / PR firms know, need to evolve over time and not become stale.

And it's both highly successful, and pretty ironic, when in fact, highly evolved strategies that are both deliberate and well-funded, are successfully extracting wealth from our middle class, to the benefit of those who are among the interests funding the "wealth redistribution/class warfare" misinformation campaign.

You nailed it. Why stupid ass republicans don't get this is beyond me. I am a Democrat because they at least consider the workers/middle class well being. Republicans try to make it as hard on labor as they can.

Thanks for the reinforcement!

But it's really not that complicated, and has been an effective tool throughout our history, in support of maintaining a dual society. The KKK was perfect in keeping the rabble under control. Blacks and Poor Whites were all getting screwed by the Plantation Owners. So pit them against themselves. Works like a charm to deflect blame from the obvious: Boss Daddy in the big mansion is who's screwing the poor, over-worked, minions.

And in modern day terms it's easy to find scapegoats:

The Poor, whose support has been diminishing and thus poverty is rapidly rising and becoming more desitute. So blame them. Tell workers whose lives are becoming more difficult that them freeloading poor are reaching into their pockets and wanting to take more all the time. Forget that wages are not pacing inflation nor productivity. Forget that you're working more hours on average (15% more since 2000, alone) Forget that healthcare costs are being shared by you, more so, and thus more is coming out of your paychecks, and co-pays are skyrocketing. Forget that overtime pay laws were removed. Forget all those many thousands you're being screwed out of. Blame the Poor, whose cost to average workers is at most pennies per month.

Liberal BIG Government, which in fact is shinking its support for average Americans, while doing more for business interests all of the time. It's them Liberals trying to bilk the rich; and once they take all the money from the rich, they'll come after you!!! Forget that the tax burden, on average has shifted from business (50% roughly in the 70s, to less than 20% today, despite more than half of all government spending directly benefiitting business). Blame Liberals, like Obama, who gave bailout Dollars with no string attached, who lends money to banks for free, and who put a sucker of Wall Street pecker in charge of the Fed. Also assure millions of new customers for Health Insurance Companies. And who has not removed a single goverment subsidy of businesses, while eliminating all manner of public worker's jobs.

In short, figure out who's getting fucked, and then blame them for the fucking they'll do to the ignorant fools who are too stupid to see what's really happening to them, too.

Simple, really.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Make no mistake, when you get through fucking over the corporations in the manner in which you'd like, they will leave America.. so what do you intend to replace them with? Do tell.

dear idiot,

when has any one of YOUR predictions on the effect of policy EVER come true?


willow you have never been proven correct ever

Have you any idea how many corporations have already left America? I'll bet you're totally fucking clueless.

You win that bet. TM's concedes, and sends you cookies for your win.

 

[Zarius]

Make no mistake, when you get through fucking over the corporations in the manner in which you'd like, they will leave America.. so what do you intend to replace them with? Do tell.

People.

UNEMPLOYED people..

Thoughts are what drive the Universe. Republicans think that only a few should enjoy life. The rest should work long endless hours to support those few. I want less hours. I want better quality of life. Quality of life to us means more time for yourself.

Republicans don't even know what the word means. Too many have worked six and seven days a week. Missed their children growing up. Divorced and then died to early to get retirement. That is how conservatives think the workers should live

 

[whitehall]

They do not want to share the pie. Less hours less benefits. Blaming Obama care but in reality it is their greed and general hate for others that are causing these problems. Don't they understand that taking more and more from the workers hands and putting it in the CEOs hand decreases the buying power of their customers?

Despite the pipe dreams of the brown shirt fascists who want government control over everything, corporations ain't your enemy and neither are banks. Corporate America ..r..us. Anybody can incorporate and the reason for it is to avoid government red tape and the army of salivating litigators who would sue a small business into oblivion in order to make a fast buck. If you want the fools who make the rules to run business look at the unholy alliance between government and the private sector called "fannie mae". It went under because of negligence by government. Why did the chairman of the House Banking Committee, Barney Frank, tell Americans that Fannie was doing fine when it was on the verge of collapse? Because he didn't give a crap. His salary was confiscated from taxpayers.

 

[WillowTree]

People.

UNEMPLOYED people..

Thoughts are what drive the Universe. Republicans think that only a few should enjoy life. The rest should work long endless hours to support those few. I want less hours. I want better quality of life. Quality of life to us means more time for yourself.

Republicans don't even know what the word means. Too many have worked six and seven days a week. Missed their children growing up. Divorced and then died to early to get retirement. That is how conservatives think the workers should live

This post of yours show why you will never get what you want. You are unwilling to work for it you want it handed to you with a guarantee certificate. Hey! I got educated, had a career and retired by age 57. I din't hate the first rich person or corporation along the way.

 

[peach174]

they systematically dismanteled the middle class in this last fiasco of theirs.


Now the republicans have lost the power to keep doing this.

We have to fix our elecdtions system so they cant cheat anymore.


They will NEVER win another elections with this corporate platform again unless they can fix elections.

They will NOW work on completely fixing the elections because its their ONLY path to power now.


The republican party either stops being their minions or the party dies.

Spoken like a true blue Democrat who is for communism and a one party rule dictatorship.

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought you could use some help getting your head out of your ass.

Do you realize that wikipedia is mostly written by lefties who use their ideology to define things?
Communists were for unions, against Capitalism, were for redistribution of wealth, had a gazillion regulations and controlled the people . Just like the Democrats of this Nation are doing, they just don't call it for what it really is.
Your very words at the begining of this thread tells it like it is (sharing a piece of the pie) that is redistribution of wealth just like Marxism.
The Democratic ideologies are killing this Nation.

 

[Koios]

Spoken like a true blue Democrat who is for communism and a one party rule dictatorship.

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought you could use some help getting your head out of your ass.

Do you realize that wikipedia is mostly written by lefties who use their ideology to define things?
Communists were for unions, against Capitalism, were for redistribution of wealth, had a gazillion regulations and controlled the people . Just like the Democrats of this Nation are doing, they just don't call it for what it really is.
Your very words at the begining of this thread tells it like it is (sharing a piece of the pie) that is redistribution of wealth just like Marxism.
The Democratic ideologies are killing this Nation.

Then change the Wiki, and see if your Righty take on "facts" holds up under scrutiny. Have a ball.

And Communists and Unions are entirely different. Communisim takes over businesses and puts the "worker" state in charge of duties and compensation. Ultimately, instead of robber barrons, you have party bosses fucking over the great unwashed. And it's a failure, albeit, with the abuses of the Industrial Revolution, many did want to go the communism route.

But we prevailed, by choosing a market-based solution, in which workers could get together and negotiate fairly with management. Agreements between workers and management, instead of government takeovers, and we became the envy of the world.

If you knew shit, you'd know that Commies and Unions are polar fucking opposites.

 

[peach174]

People.

UNEMPLOYED people..

Thoughts are what drive the Universe. Republicans think that only a few should enjoy life. The rest should work long endless hours to support those few. I want less hours. I want better quality of life. Quality of life to us means more time for yourself.

Republicans don't even know what the word means. Too many have worked six and seven days a week. Missed their children growing up. Divorced and then died to early to get retirement. That is how conservatives think the workers should live

The majority of this country work 5 days a week.

That is exactly what Greece did.
Less hours of work, more government hand outs for what they thought was, for a better quality of life, reitement at a very low age (58) and look where they are at now.

We have 16 trillion dollars in debt and the Dems of this counrty are refusing to deal with it.

 

[Zarius]

UNEMPLOYED people..

Thoughts are what drive the Universe. Republicans think that only a few should enjoy life. The rest should work long endless hours to support those few. I want less hours. I want better quality of life. Quality of life to us means more time for yourself.

Republicans don't even know what the word means. Too many have worked six and seven days a week. Missed their children growing up. Divorced and then died to early to get retirement. That is how conservatives think the workers should live

The majority of this country work 5 days a week.

That is exactly what Greece did.
Less hours of work, more government hand outs for what they thought was, for a better quality of life, reitement at a very low age (58) and look where they are at now.

We have 16 trillion dollars in debt and the Dems of this counrty are refusing to deal with it.

If our system is so great why are we in debt? If it is so great then why are we having these problems?

Also you are wrong about the 5 day work week. Longer hours with less pay and no benefits are the norm.

 

[peach174]

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought you could use some help getting your head out of your ass.

Do you realize that wikipedia is mostly written by lefties who use their ideology to define things?
Communists were for unions, against Capitalism, were for redistribution of wealth, had a gazillion regulations and controlled the people . Just like the Democrats of this Nation are doing, they just don't call it for what it really is.
Your very words at the beginning of this thread tells it like it is (sharing a piece of the pie) that is redistribution of wealth just like Marxism.
The Democratic ideologies are killing this Nation.

Then change the Wiki, and see if your Righty take on "facts" holds up under scrutiny. Have a ball.

And Communists and Unions are entirely different. Communism takes over businesses and puts the "worker" state in charge of duties and compensation. Ultimately, instead of robber barrons, you have party bosses fucking over the great unwashed. And it's a failure, albeit, with the abuses of the Industrial Revolution, many did want to go the communism route.

But we prevailed, by choosing a market-based solution, in which workers could get together and negotiate fairly with management. Agreements between workers and management, instead of government takeovers, and we became the envy of the world.

If you knew shit, you'd know that Commies and Unions are polar fucking opposites.

Defunct Unions in Russia

All-Russian Teachers' Union, 1890's - 1918
All-Russian Metalworkers Union

See- Lefty ideology. (Then change the wiki.) How about using history books rather than using wiki. In other words, don't change wiki, just don't use it. That is the American way, the freedom to choose.

Yes, just like the new Health Care bill has done. Taken over the businesses. Now it's killing our businesses.

If we got rid of money exchanging and favoritism between the lobbyists and congress we would not have the problems you are saying.You are for what we all want and that is to get rid of crony capitalism. Crony capitalism is believed to arise when political cronyism spills over into the business world; self-serving friendships and family ties between businessmen and the government influence the economy and society to the extent that it corrupts public-serving economic and political ideals.
Both parties do this.

 

[peach174]

Thoughts are what drive the Universe. Republicans think that only a few should enjoy life. The rest should work long endless hours to support those few. I want less hours. I want better quality of life. Quality of life to us means more time for yourself.

Republicans don't even know what the word means. Too many have worked six and seven days a week. Missed their children growing up. Divorced and then died to early to get retirement. That is how conservatives think the workers should live

The majority of this country work 5 days a week.

That is exactly what Greece did.
Less hours of work, more government hand outs for what they thought was, for a better quality of life, retirement at a very low age (58) and look where they are at now.

We have 16 trillion dollars in debt and the Dem's of this country are refusing to deal with it.

If our system is so great why are we in debt? If it is so great then why are we having these problems?

Also you are wrong about the 5 day work week. Longer hours with less pay and no benefits are the norm.

That is because of ever increasing government controlling everything.
We are in Debt because both parties are passing unfunded mandate's of entitlements.
Paygo expired on Sept. 30, 2002 and both parties have spent like there is no tomorrow.
It went up over 4 trillion under Bush and has gone over 6 trillion under Obama.
Our Congress has a very serious spending problem.

 

[Zarius]

The majority of this country work 5 days a week.

That is exactly what Greece did.
Less hours of work, more government hand outs for what they thought was, for a better quality of life, retirement at a very low age (58) and look where they are at now.

We have 16 trillion dollars in debt and the Dem's of this country are refusing to deal with it.

If our system is so great why are we in debt? If it is so great then why are we having these problems?

Also you are wrong about the 5 day work week. Longer hours with less pay and no benefits are the norm.

That is because of ever increasing government controlling everything.
We are in Debt because both parties are passing unfunded mandate's of entitlements.
Paygo expired on Sept. 30, 2002 and both parties have spent like there is no tomorrow.
It went up over 4 trillion under Bush and has gone over 6 trillion under Obama.
Our Congress has a very serious spending problem.

Yet most of Congress goes back everytime. Its the I like my guy but not yours thing.

 

[Gadawg73]

People.

UNEMPLOYED people..

Thoughts are what drive the Universe. Republicans think that only a few should enjoy life. The rest should work long endless hours to support those few. I want less hours. I want better quality of life. Quality of life to us means more time for yourself.

Republicans don't even know what the word means. Too many have worked six and seven days a week. Missed their children growing up. Divorced and then died to early to get retirement. That is how conservatives think the workers should live

Democrats talk a mean game about diversity. However, to them diversity is how folks look and act.
But when it comes to diversity of thought Democrats want no part of that the brown boot marching zombies they are. Have a different opinion than the elitist liberal Democrats and they label you as right wing, bigoted, racist, homophobic, anti health care, anti seniors, anti clean water and 101 other biased claims.
Democrats label others to portray them as terrible folk in any way they can the exact same as you do above. They are masters of their talking points as you have been taught well.

 

[Koios]

Do you realize that wikipedia is mostly written by lefties who use their ideology to define things?
Communists were for unions, against Capitalism, were for redistribution of wealth, had a gazillion regulations and controlled the people . Just like the Democrats of this Nation are doing, they just don't call it for what it really is.
Your very words at the beginning of this thread tells it like it is (sharing a piece of the pie) that is redistribution of wealth just like Marxism.
The Democratic ideologies are killing this Nation.

Then change the Wiki, and see if your Righty take on "facts" holds up under scrutiny. Have a ball.

And Communists and Unions are entirely different. Communism takes over businesses and puts the "worker" state in charge of duties and compensation. Ultimately, instead of robber barrons, you have party bosses fucking over the great unwashed. And it's a failure, albeit, with the abuses of the Industrial Revolution, many did want to go the communism route.

But we prevailed, by choosing a market-based solution, in which workers could get together and negotiate fairly with management. Agreements between workers and management, instead of government takeovers, and we became the envy of the world.

If you knew shit, you'd know that Commies and Unions are polar fucking opposites.

Defunct Unions in Russia

All-Russian Teachers' Union, 1890's - 1918
All-Russian Metalworkers Union

See- Lefty ideology. (Then change the wiki.) How about using history books rather than using wiki. In other words, don't change wiki, just don't use it. That is the American way, the freedom to choose.

Yes, just like the new Health Care bill has done. Taken over the businesses. Now it's killing our businesses.

If we got rid of money exchanging and favoritism between the lobbyists and congress we would not have the problems you are saying.You are for what we all want and that is to get rid of crony capitalism. Crony capitalism is believed to arise when political cronyism spills over into the business world; self-serving friendships and family ties between businessmen and the government influence the economy and society to the extent that it corrupts public-serving economic and political ideals.
Both parties do this.

Tip:

Russia, pre USSR = oppressive czarist Russia
USSR = soviets with that Stalin fella (no cream puff) and others following, who were no peaches either
USA Trade Unions = way fucking different, within a free market, not ruled by czars nor generalissimos, and very unlike USSR Commie rule.

Does that help?

 

[peach174]

Then change the Wiki, and see if your Righty take on "facts" holds up under scrutiny. Have a ball.

And Communists and Unions are entirely different. Communism takes over businesses and puts the "worker" state in charge of duties and compensation. Ultimately, instead of robber barrons, you have party bosses fucking over the great unwashed. And it's a failure, albeit, with the abuses of the Industrial Revolution, many did want to go the communism route.

But we prevailed, by choosing a market-based solution, in which workers could get together and negotiate fairly with management. Agreements between workers and management, instead of government takeovers, and we became the envy of the world.

If you knew shit, you'd know that Commies and Unions are polar fucking opposites.

Defunct Unions in Russia

All-Russian Teachers' Union, 1890's - 1918
All-Russian Metalworkers Union

See- Lefty ideology. (Then change the wiki.) How about using history books rather than using wiki. In other words, don't change wiki, just don't use it. That is the American way, the freedom to choose.

Yes, just like the new Health Care bill has done. Taken over the businesses. Now it's killing our businesses.

If we got rid of money exchanging and favoritism between the lobbyists and congress we would not have the problems you are saying.You are for what we all want and that is to get rid of crony capitalism. Crony capitalism is believed to arise when political cronyism spills over into the business world; self-serving friendships and family ties between businessmen and the government influence the economy and society to the extent that it corrupts public-serving economic and political ideals.
Both parties do this.

Tip:

Russia, pre USSR = oppressive czarist Russia
USSR = soviets with that Stalin fella (no cream puff) and others following, who were no peaches either
USA Trade Unions = way fucking different, within a free market, not ruled by czars nor generalissimos, and very unlike USSR Commie rule.

Does that help?

USA Unions
Trumka salary plus benefits $293,750.00
Trumka who's ideology is just like the commies and Marxists. He might as well be a czar the way he talks.
Not to mention all of the others salary, like the vice president,the secretary, the assistants, the directors,chiefs it goes on and on.
They are all robbing you the union worker.
Union dues are paying for this plus the majority of each and every union workers dues go for Democrat party fund raisers.
Then they have way to high retirement funds and over the top salaries, at the expense of workers who are not in unions.
Unions use to be a good thing when they started. Now they are overblown and control the workers.

 

[Koios]

Defunct Unions in Russia

All-Russian Teachers' Union, 1890's - 1918
All-Russian Metalworkers Union

See- Lefty ideology. (Then change the wiki.) How about using history books rather than using wiki. In other words, don't change wiki, just don't use it. That is the American way, the freedom to choose.

Yes, just like the new Health Care bill has done. Taken over the businesses. Now it's killing our businesses.

If we got rid of money exchanging and favoritism between the lobbyists and congress we would not have the problems you are saying.You are for what we all want and that is to get rid of crony capitalism. Crony capitalism is believed to arise when political cronyism spills over into the business world; self-serving friendships and family ties between businessmen and the government influence the economy and society to the extent that it corrupts public-serving economic and political ideals.
Both parties do this.

Tip:

Russia, pre USSR = oppressive czarist Russia
USSR = soviets with that Stalin fella (no cream puff) and others following, who were no peaches either
USA Trade Unions = way fucking different, within a free market, not ruled by czars nor generalissimos, and very unlike USSR Commie rule.

Does that help?

USA Unions
Trumka salary plus benefits $293,750.00
Trumka who's ideology is just like the commies and Marxists. He might as well be a czar the way he talks.
Not to mention all of the others salary, like the vice president,the secretary, the assistants, the directors,chiefs it goes on and on.
They are all robbing you the union worker.
Union dues are paying for this plus the majority of each and every union workers dues go for Democrat party fund raisers.
Then they have way to high retirement funds and over the top salaries, at the expense of workers who are not in unions.
Unions use to be a good thing when they started. Now they are overblown and control the workers.

That's not actually a lot of dough. Take a medium-size bio tech, for example, with 200 employees. What would the CFO and COO make, ya think? North of 300, plus other perqs?