Convention of States: TX Gov Abbott calls for emergency

[emilynghiem]

Texas Governor Abbott Declares Convention Of States An 'Emergency Item'

Is this the beginning of the end? Of federal overreaching outside the Constitution?

I would LOVE states to call out the federal govt and DECLARE that "political beliefs"
must be recognized and treated specifically. And quit ramming "beliefs" through govt
and blaming people and states for rejecting those "beliefs."

That would cover a lot of the abuses going on, with PARTISAN agenda that has
overridden Constitutional checks and balances.

I WANT "political beliefs" on the agenda. And call out the parties once and for all.
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Can members of USMB individually issue a joint statement in support of
Gov Abbott and states calling for a convention? If so, I want to address
political beliefs and protecting these for all parties by keeping them out of federal govt
UNLESS all parties AGREE on policies or reforms in advance, so it doesn't bog down
Congress or Courts in fighting over beliefs that are supposed to be equal free choice of citizens and not mandated by federal govt. Is such a collective petition possible?

 

[ScienceRocks]

I believe the government should serve the people and govern to improve this nation...I oppose anything that would limit the will of the people and the governments job to give us a high quality of life.

 

[emilynghiem]

I believe the government should serve the people and govern to improve this nation...I oppose anything that would limit the will of the people and the governments job to give us a high quality of life.

When it comes to BELIEFS Matthew
wouldn't it maximize the will of the people to let each person or group have their own beliefs? doesn't it limit the will of the people to take the BELIEFS of one group and impose it on the others of different beliefs?

To maximize the ability to provide high quality of life,
isn't employing more people on local levels to get paid and/or rewarded by keeping and directly their own income and tax dollars BETTER than trying to micromanage all people in all states and districts through federal govt that is burdensome and bogged down in bureaucracy.

Isn't the solution to both problems to LOCALIZE and reward citizens for investing in self-government to empower the people directly?

 

[midcan5]

Could this be the beginning of the end for America? Let's hope not, the Civil war brought together the disparate interests of the people and many died over that war. Will trump be Putin two? Bannon could fill that role. A few links below, food for the thoughtful in America. The anti government dummies can stay hidden in their ignorance.

Decline of communism - now think of state's rights advocates. globalinequality: Did post-Marxist theories destroy Communist regimes?

"President Eisenhower describes his administration's political philosophy as 'dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive, dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive moderation,' then as 'moderate progressivism,' and then as 'positive progressivism.'" William Manchester quote from 'The Power and the Glory' "If men were angels, no government would be necessary." James Madison

"The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts." Quote DB :: Speeches :: George Washington :: George Washington's Farewell Address Speech

"For decades conservatives have been demonizing government and not enough has been done to defend it. Ever since Ronald Reagan declared in 1981 that "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem," Republicans have been waging a political war against this institution. They have been joined in this anti-government crusade by libertarian thinkers, Tea Party activists, right-wing media pundits, and wealthy corporate lobbies. This powerful political coalition blithely ignores anything good about government and conducts a relentless smear campaign against this institution. They constantly play upon the fears and insecurities of average Americans and encourage them to blame all their problems on big bad government." Government is Good - An Unapologetic Defense of a Vital Institution

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear midcan5
I think what this will lead to is
A. recognition of political beliefs that parties are pushing, and why this has caused problems pushing these beliefs/agenda through govt similar to why RELIGIOUS BELIEFS cause problems when those are pushed through govt. Political Beliefs are even more problematic because those are not optional, but become mandatory. Religious beliefs are generally understood to be choices left to individuals; but political beliefs cross the line into govt policy where religious beliefs are understood not to belong.

B. a SEPARATION or choice for taxpayers to invest their donations/tax breaks, so people/parties of different BELIEFS can focus their taxes accordingly.

That way,
* Communists can choose to invest in building cooperative businesses that fulfill their objectives
AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MANDATED THROUGH GOVT FOR EVERYONE TO FUND OR FOLLOW
* Socialists who want collectively managed benefits, health care, education etc. can invest in that AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FORCED ON OTHER TAXPAYERS WHO BELIEVE IN FREE MARKET and free enterprise independent of the political process
* Christians and prolife who want to invest in Christian schools, health care without abortion or drugs, etc. can ensure their taxes aren't going into promoting or mandating policies against their beliefs in sensitive areas where "social programs" ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DICTATED OR MICROMANAGED/REGULATED BY GOVT IN THE FIRST PLACE

midcan5 for those who BELIEVE in using govt to manage these social programs and benefits collectively, why not set up a choice for such taxpayers to invest in coops and receive tax deductions or perhaps matching grants to encourage people to fund their own programs instead of forcing these on other people who disagree religiously.

Why not set up separate tracks for those whose Constitutional beliefs limit federal govt on stricter levels and don't believe in managing or funding social programs through govt.

We give taxpayers a choice whether to invest a portion of taxes that can go toward campaign funds.

Why not allow a certain % of delegation of taxes for areas of POLITICAL BELIEFS that vary by party. The govt cannot be expected to give individual taxpayers a choice on every single issue if they believe in funding it or not; but if general tracks can be organized by party and give citizens a choice on areas they ARE sensitive about because of their political or religious beliefs, that could be done.

I've heard ideas from Libertarians about delegating taxes by % PER STATE according to how much that State contributes in to the national pool, and proportionally how much their population demands.

so it could be left to the STATES to take the collective income and delegating it to various tracks that the citizens agree to organize and fund proportionally, ie according to the preferences of the taxpayers actually paying in the funds.

 

[emilynghiem]

Convention of the States

^ Here is Avatar4321 thread mentioning the
CONVENTION OF STATES website
that is now advertising to get more public support

I'd like to see
* a recognition of political beliefs being pushed by parties into govt, and an agreement that this is causing problems similar to religious beliefs, and it needs to be addressed case by case, every time a policy issue comes up before Congress or Courts that involves a conflict of BELIEFS where people are complaining they are not being included equally

* a more direct process set up, such as Grand Jury or Grievance system, where citizens can check, petition and complain about any level of govt, corporate, party or media abuse and seek conflict resolution to prevent further abuse or waste of public resources.

* a way for States to separate funding or policies on areas of conflicting BELIEFS so that no state or federal agent or entity is compelling to take sides and mandate a policy that involves a bias or discrimination against one creed or another.

* a system of assessing restitution and reimbursement owed to taxpayers for govt or corporate abuse of tax paid resources, and means of assistance to collect back from wrongdoers and/or credit back taxpayers until such debts and damages are paid by the parties responsible OR the debts are bought out by investors/citizens as a way to invest in corrections/restitution.

* addressing reform of prison and immigration detention costs so that people/states are rewarded for reducing violations, collecting and managing restitution, by investing resources saved or reimbursed into health care, education and paid job training. That way these services are covered without raising taxes but by saving resources and/or rewarding citizens with tax breaks or interest for investing, lending or donating to build sustainable programs by voluntary funding and participation.

 

[P@triot]

I believe the government should serve the people and govern to improve this nation...I oppose anything that would limit the will of the people and the governments job to give us a high quality of life.

That's not why government exists Matthew and you do not get to arbitrarily decide how the government should function for all of society.

However, what the U.S. Constitution does afford you is the right to voice your opinion on how you would like to see the government function, the right to convince your fellow citizens why your view is correct, and the right to amend the U.S. Constitution to reflect that view should you be able to garner the support for it.

 

[P@triot]

Could this be the beginning of the end for America?

Why would a Convention of States result in "the beginning of the end for America" midcan5? Do you even known what it is? I have to assume not based on that very bizarre comment.

 

[emilynghiem]

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Could this be the beginning of the end for America?

Why would a Convention of States result in "the beginning of the end for America" midcan5? Do you even known what it is? I have to assume not based on that very bizarre comment.

On the other hand P@triot
I've run into such ardent Constitutionalists , they feared any call for such a Convention RISKED getting overrun by liberal types looking to void the history and allow any rules to change, such as we saw with Obama and using ACA to change govt fundamentally without consent of ppl and states.

So the far Rightwing also fear the far left hijacking the authority to dominate the narrative and direction of the country.