Contrary To PE's Claims, Seems The French Problem Is Broad

[padisha emperor]

C'est correct Said, but there's a difference to say that a whole country is burning and to say that some cities knows troubles and burned cars.

There is serious troubles, but the situation is going better today that some days ago.

You are not in France, you can't see the life of the people during these events. i can. My cousins speak to me of it. And I see it; people are not paralized by fear. they do like every days.

Sorry to deceive you, but we're not hidden in our flats, asking God to calm the youthes.

 

[Annie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4430540.stm

BBC NEWS
Riot erupts in French city centre
Police in the French city of Lyon have fired tear gas to break up groups of youths who hurled stones and bins hours before a curfew was due to begin.

Police on the city's famous Place Bellecour square made two arrests in what state news agency AFP says is the first rioting in a major city centre.

Lyon has imposed a curfew for the first time in two weeks of nationwide unrest.

Thousands of police are patrolling Paris to enforce a ban on all public meetings likely to provoke rioting.

The trouble in Lyon began at about 1700 (1600 GMT) on Place Bellecour where a large number of riot police were on duty as a preventative measure.

About 50 youths attacked stalls and damaged vehicles, witnesses were quoted as saying by Reuters news agency.


KEY FLASHPOINTS

Shoppers hurried away from the area and most shopkeepers closed their doors.

Officials in Lyon and 10 other towns to the east of the city earlier announced a curfew to bar unaccompanied minors from the streets over the weekend between 2200 and 0600 local time.

The worst suburban unrest on Friday night was reported in Lyon and the city of Toulouse in the south-west.

More than 500 cars were set on fire, two police officers were wounded and 206 people were detained across the country.

This was an increase on the previous night, when about 400 vehicles were torched and 168 people were arrested.

Paris curbs

The Paris ban on meetings, imposed under new emergency measures, started at 0900 GMT on Saturday and will remain in force until Sunday morning.


CURFEW LAW
Cabinet can declare state of emergency in all or part of the country
Regional leaders given exceptional powers to apply curfew
Breach of curfew could mean two-month jail sentence
Police can carry out raids on suspected weapons stockpiles
Interior minister can issue house-arrest warrants for those deemed dangerous to public safety
Public meeting places can be closed down
House searches possible day or night
Authorities can control media, film and theatre performances
Emergency can only be extended beyond 12 days if approved by parliament

The ban prohibits "all meetings likely to start or fuel disorder" and comes after police reports of e-mails and text messages calling for "violent acts" in the city on Saturday.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has been inspecting the police units, which have been beefed up by at least 2,000 extra officers from outside Paris.

The BBC's Nick Thorpe reports from Paris that there has been no sign of trouble in the city.

Either the messages were sheer bravado or the publicity given to them by police has scared potential participants away, our correspondent says.

The country's unrest was triggered by the deaths in the run-down Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois of two youths, who were accidentally electrocuted at an electricity sub-station. Locals said they were fleeing police, but the police deny this.

The nightly protests have gripped deprived areas where unemployment is rife and residents complain of racism and discrimination.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4430540.stm

Published: 2005/11/12 19:35:43 GMT

© BBC MMV

 

[padisha emperor]

Nope, your argument seemed to be that many of the conflagalations were 'dispersed' for a night or two, different locales. Still, it's all over. When did Chirac become concerned? When the insurgents had the audacity to actually attack Paris. Now you say, 'but Paris is not burning...' I reply, 'for now.'

Your arguments is to say that the WHOLE COUNTRY OF FRANCE is burning. And that the islamists putting fire everywhere, the youthes fought the police etc...

90 % pf the inhabitants of the suburbs touched by the troubles condamn the troubles. And their authors.
And 100 % or the rest of the population do the same.

You know, this crisis was like a snowball : in one city, 2 youthes died, in a generator of EDF. troubles in the city - Clichy Sous Bois, suburb of Paris - .
Then, in some other suburbs, people acting like in Clichy. Some because they want that the governement hear their revendication, and to show that they disagree with their situation. And a large part only to play, to enjoy, to kick some cops.
And some other cities in "province", the rest of France - not the Parisian Region, Ile de France - knew also troubles.
Same thing : some to show their disagreement, but a lot to play and enjoying.

the good thing of the crisis : The whole world can place Clichy Sous Bois (except CNN, for who Strasbourg is in Austria, Cannes near Spain and Lille in Britain....). And more seriously, it's that the suburbs would more than probably receive some subventions of things to make them better. If it can make involve, it'ld be good.

 

[Said1]

"Dieu", "baguette".

i live not near the rioting, but lots of my family's members live near Paris.

as you want.

Amazing, the most part of the people living near don't feel so unsecure than you. And they live these troubles.

Who are you trying to kid? I would bet the above statement is not only false, it's more than likely based on arrogant defensiveness your posts tend to be filled with. On the other hand, people tend to become indifferent to their surroundings, so you might be right about that afterall.

And i like your "burning old ladys"....ONE. And because these little stupid bastards burned the vehicle were the old lady was. They didn't decided : "hey folks, come on, we've an old lady to burn".
You make with ONE case a generality.

Fortunatly the old lady survived.[/QUOTE]

Only one old lady? Beh, and an accident at that. She should have gotten out of the way when the she saw the flamable liquid coming at her. How can you blame the government for dat?

 

[padisha emperor]

I saw that on TV tonight - here it's 11 PM - , for the Lyon 's events.
The camera shows the CRS running behind the f**king youths.

 

[padisha emperor]

Who are you trying to kid? I would bet the above statement is not only false, it's more than likely based on arrogant defensiveness your posts tend to be filled with. On the other hand, people tend to become indifferent to their surroundings, so you might be right about that afterall.



Fortunatly the old lady survived.

Only one old lady? Beh, and an accident at that. She should have gotten out of the way when the she saw the flamable liquid coming at her. How can you blame the government for dat?[/QUOTE]


you didn't understand...
You spoke of some single events and show them like they were usual, general.

For the old lady, you totally misunderstood what I meant...
nevermind, it's not a surprise to me.

It's really amazing...

First, you seem to be enjoyed by this crisis.
And you have here a french who live the situation not across the news, but who can speak with witnesses. And you refuse to believe some of his statements.......Who's blind, uh ?

 

[Said1]

Only one old lady? Beh, and an accident at that. She should have gotten out of the way when the she saw the flamable liquid coming at her. How can you blame the government for dat?

you didn't understand...
You spoke of some single events and show them like they were usual, general.

For the old lady, you totally misunderstood what I meant...
nevermind, it's not a surprise to me.

It's really amazing...

First, you seem to be enjoyed by this crisis.
And you have here a french who live the situation not across the news, but who can speak with witnesses. And you refuse to believe some of his statements.......Who's blind, uh ?[/QUOTE]


I didn't misunderstand. What have I misunderstood? There are people, who over a two week period, have burned cars, and old lady, killed and old man, assaulted civilians and police, smashed windows, set other buildings on fire and committed countless other crimes. Is this not the case? What am I misunderstanding, exactly? You tell me why this is happenening.

 

[Said1]

No, i did'nt know that troubles were in France....


The country is not burning. But you're blind and believe that flames are touhcing all the buildings of France.

It was a comparison to show to said1 that I was not playing on the words, only to show you the situation in reality.

No one thinks the flames are touching all buildings, just the ones torched by Muslims.

 

[Said1]

And more seriously, it's that the suburbs would more than probably receive some subventions of things to make them better. If it can make involve, it'ld be good.

That's just it, why did things have to come to such a boiling point? Isn't there such a thing as social activism in France? Not vigilanti-ism, activism.

 

[Annie]

Lots of links at site. With the media blackout, we turn to:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/466

Mosque Attack in France
From the desk of Paul Belien on Sat, 2005-11-12 13:53

It is becoming difficult to give you news about the situation in France. Apart from a minor incident involving a mosque, the media have lost interest or are complying with censorship recommendations from their editors who fear that the public would turn to the “extreme-right” if it receives correct information. Perhaps our attempt to provide information qualifies us as “extreme-right” too. To avoid legal problems our lawyers advise us to put up a warning:

Political Content Warning
If you are a Socialist or a Liberal, please stop reading NOW.

In the sixteenth consecutive night of violence in France, 502 cars were set alight. Hundreds of molotov cocktails were thrown at policemen, cars and buildings, including a mosque in Carpentras in the south of the country. In Belgium’s sixth consecutive night of car torching, fifteen cars, including one truck and a bus, were damaged by fire – eight of them in Brussels. The situation in Denmark seems to be tense as well.

In both Paris and Brussels the authorities are nervous because islamist weblogs have called for demonstrations and violent protests today. The French authorities have banned all rallies and protests until Sunday evening. The Belgian authorities do not want the media to report about the weblogs. In Paris and Brussels the police are on the alert.

Meanwhile, Amnesty International has said it is “concerned” that the state of emergency in France “may lead to human rights violations” by the French police. Yesterday, one policeman was jailed and four were suspended because they had beaten up a 19-year old “youth” in a Paris suburb. The “youth” had just been released from custody for involvement in riots and had returned to taunt the officers. The beating incident was filmed by the television channel France 2. The channel is one of the French media outlets that does not want to broadcast acts of violence committed by “youths” for fear of copycat actions. The media devote a lot of attention to the beating incident. Apparently there is no fear that this will lead to copycat behaviour by frustrated policemen.

There is also considerable media attention for two molotov cocktails thrown at a mosque in the southern town of Carpentras. Though there was no material damage the French authorities have strongly condemned the attack. “This act of agression is as undignified as it is unacceptable,” Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said. President Chirac and Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, too, condemned the agression “with the greatest firmness” and expressed solidarity with the Muslim community of France.

Earlier this week two churches were set ablaze, but the French government did not express solidarity with the Christians of France. The Jewish community has also been advised to keep quiet about attacks on synagogues lest they attract the attention of copycats. After the attacks, the French authorities did not explicitly express solidarity with the Jews but advised them “not to publicize their fears, as such declarations could encourage rioters to attack Jews and Jewish community buildings.” Apparently, the media and the politicians are convinced that copycats are never Christians or Jews, but always Muslims. Doesn’t that attitude smack of racism?

 

[theHawk]

If the French just want to let these THUGS (not youths) mindlessly rampage across their country, I say let them. They want to throw more taxpayer money at these savages then let them. I'd just let the police put a bullet in any rioter.

 

[padisha emperor]

good idea...

it's why you've so much gangs and deads by bullets in USA ?

 

[theHawk]

We don't have 'gangs' rampaging and burning cars and buildings anywhere in our country. Unfortunately our police dont do that to rioters either, I am saying they should. I have no sympathy for anyone destroying private and public property, because we all end up paying for it through taxes. That is robbery of all the people. And if someone was robbing me I would shoot them dead, so it shouldn't be any different with police / taxpayer property.

 

[padisha emperor]

nice conception of the human rights and liberties.

Oh, one point : for a lot of youths, they did such things for play. it"'s stupid, but they did it to this goal.
They saw the others, they wanted to be on TV, to enjoy...to have adrenalin pushes...

Not necessary to fuck the governement and claim their disagreement.

 

[Annie]

nice conception of the human rights and liberties.

Oh, one point : for a lot of youths, they did such things for play. it"'s stupid, but they did it to this goal.
They saw the others, they wanted to be on TV, to enjoy...to have adrenalin pushes...

Not necessary to fuck the governement and claim their disagreement.

Of course PE, they just are looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Yeah. Right. Where the hell is that rock smiley to pull over head?

 

[Said1]

Of course PE, they just are looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Yeah. Right. Where the hell is that rock smiley to pull over head?

:duh3:

 

[padisha emperor]

well, it's not me who said that, Kathianne, it's them, ok ?

So, instead of always critisinzing people, wait for their explications.

They said themselves that they did it for the fun, to be on TV. Not all, but somer of them. A lot.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

nice conception of the human rights and liberties.

Oh, one point : for a lot of youths, they did such things for play. it"'s stupid, but they did it to this goal.
They saw the others, they wanted to be on TV, to enjoy...to have adrenalin pushes...

Not necessary to fuck the governement and claim their disagreement.

Why do you persist in calling them "youths"? (just "playing" huh?)

Why can't you identify them for what most of them are? Muslims.
Second generation immigrants who have not assimilated into your country.

 

[padisha emperor]

Why do you persist to call them muslims ? they are not all.
Some are "French", which means not immigrants...and not muslims.

And the muslims do not it because they're muslims, it's because they live here, in these suburbs.

 

[Said1]

Why do you persist to call them muslims ? they are not all.
Some are "French", which means not immigrants...and not muslims.

Mainly because they are the ones voicing their complaints about life for them in France. Being born in France does not erase your ethnic heritage, something you guys have serious trouble wrapping your minds around - same for french Canadians. Immigrants don't leave their identity at the air port, they tend to value it and pass it on to their children, not unlike "real" Frenchmen, only different.

And the muslims do not it because they're muslims, it's because they live here, in these suburbs.

Wow, first you're saying they're french, not muslims. Now, they are muslims who are only doing it because they live in (marginalized) "suburbs". No reason, just cause and we should stop saying it's muslims because it isn't muslims, it's frenchmen.