Contradiction?

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    Quick question brought up by Bill Maher recently.

    Bush claims Kerry is two things:

    The most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate and

    Inconsistent.

    These two statements, it doesn't seem, can both be true. If Kerry is the most liberal senator that means he is INCREDIBLY consistent.

    Thoughts? Which one is it?
     
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    Its one of Bill Maher's favorite tricks...to say something that is easily understood, but sounds snappy so his audience will applaud loudly and he'll feel cool.

    John Kerry has the most liberal voting record in Congres...he voted to slash intelligence spending after a terrorist attack on US soil....YET he claims that he will be tough on terrorism and will do everything possible to keep the US safe. THAT is what is inconsistent.

    John Kerry said that Iraq posessed WMD and that anyone who felt that Saddam did not need to be removed should NOT vote for him. He said in the last debate that Saddam did not need to be removed and could have been dealt with differently. THAT is what is inconsistent.

    John Kerry said that questioning his military record was an attack on his patriotism and honorable service since, despite controversy, the paperwork supported his side. Then he questioned Bush's patriotism and honorable service even though the paperwork was on Bush's side. THAT is what is inconsistent.

    John Kerry stated on the floor of the Senate that Clinton's war record (dodged the draft, went to England and led protests against the US, etc) should be "off the record" and criticized people for saying that what he did was wrong. Kerry felt that Clinton's record of not fighting in Vietnam should not have been an issue. When running against Bush he did not follow the same sentiments...feeling that the fact that Bush served in the TX Air National Guard (not even the controversy about it...but that he was in the Guard rather than in Vietnam) was worth discussing since he, "like those who dodged the draft" didn't fight for their nation. THAT is what is inconsistent.

    John Kerry did not demand 527's bashing Bush be taken off the air, he simply said he did not like them. He then publically criticized President Bush for not demanding that an ad criticizing Kerry be taken off the air. Kerry also publically demanded that Bush state that the information was false...even though a)he had never done that to the anti-Bush ads and b)Bush could not know if the testimony of the Swift Boats was true or false...and c) getting involved with the Swift Boat Vets in anyway would be collusion with them, and would be illegal. THAT is what is inconsistent.

    John Kerry voted against every major military weapons system that we are using to fight in Iraq now, but claims frequently to support the troops and wants to give them what they need to win. THAT is what is inconsistent.

    John Kerry stated on tv that a vote against the $87 billion dollars for our troops would be reckless and irresponsible. Then, he voted against the $87 billion dollars. THAT is what is inconsistent.

    John Kerry stated on the campaign trail that marriage was between a man and woman, but that he felt that amending the Constitution was a horrible idea, legislating things that should not be legislated and that Bush was a right-wing-nut for suggesting it. He then did not show up to vote against the amendment. THAT is what is inconsistent.



    Bill Maher's statement is typical...its like "No Blood for Oil," or "Bush lied, Kids Died." It sounds good...and looks nice on a protest sign. But when you actually THINK about it (which he counts on his audience not to do) you see that YES, Kerry has the most liberal voting record of ANY Senator...but he is trying to deny, hide, ignore, or downplay that record when he talks about keeping America safe...because: his actions in the past show that he talks a good game now, but voted in the opposite direction.

    He IS the most liberal senator....and he is TELLING you he isn't going to be like that when he is President....THAT is inconsistent when you look at his record.
     
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    Bill Maher is a pain in the a$$!!!!
     
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    The contradiction is apparently avoided by correctly qualifying the statements.

    What Bush means is that he is liberal (consistent) in his Senate voting record yet inconsistent in a different arena (campaign). Without qualifiers the statement is a contradiction.

    And I personally feel that Bill Maher is uniquely neutral. Ever watch his show? He repeatedly defends President Bush against unsubstantiated accusations. When Michael Moore was on Bill kept correcting him when he made wild claims. Tucker Carlson is a fan of his (recently on the show) and one of his best friends in (I'm yet to understand this) Ann Coulter.

    The only issue Maher is obviously biased on is the environment and I'm with him no that. I'd be surprised to die actually believing the Republicans cared more than the Democrats.
     
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    FYI: Bill Maher is a comedian. You're taking a joke seriously. (This is probably the same reason you'll be voting for Kerry.)
     
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    Yea a political comedian. Are you saying nothing he says is serious? He tries to make points on his show. Did you see the episode where he said that line?

    It was not meant as a joke.

    And what in the world does it mean to take a joke seriously and vote for Kerry?
     
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    That is exactly what it means.
     
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    Well since we're going to make statements without backing them up, I'll take a shot at it.

    Voting for Bush is like taking a joke seriously.
    :alco:
     
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    You can't play both sides..Pick One.
     
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    Your inablility to recognize this as a glib one-liner is very sad.

    You have now joined the ranks of the idiots who wanted Maher pulled off of the air for his comments calling our armed forces cowards for bombing the Taliban instead of fighting them one to one on the ground. This statement was a similar glib one-liner. (To me, the real issue was not whether Maher was actually calling our soldiers cowards but his overstepping the bounds of good taste given what was occuring at the time.)

    Bill Maher is smart enough to know that neither of these one-liners is true when you get down to a serious discussion of the issue. Unfortunately, you are not. I suggest you stop watching Maher until your intellect matures a bit.

    As has already been shown to you in this thread, Kerry is inconsistent AND liberal.
     

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