Constitutional right, or Citizen obligation?

[sparky]

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Rhode Island lawsuit: Students sue for the right to learn civics

If they win, the case could go down in history as the Brown v. Board of Education for their generation.

~S~

 

[RodISHI]

We used to have Civics class before all the bullshit crept in.

 

[OldLady]

Here our local high school requires an entire YEAR of it.

 

[MAGAman]

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Rhode Island lawsuit: Students sue for the right to learn civics

If they win, the case could go down in history as the Brown v. Board of Education for their generation.

~S~

Such spoiled brats.

Next thing you know they'll want to learn about American history, mathematics and real science.

 

[OldLady]

I can see why people want to maintain control over their schools, but then if you're in a poor neighborhood, the taxes won't pay for a good school. It's a hard decision, if you want a better school or less government interference.

 

[Muhammed]

Stuff like that should be required material in every public school, IMNSHO.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I can see why people want to maintain control over their schools, but then if you're in a poor neighborhood, the taxes won't pay for a good school. It's a hard decision, if you want a better school or less government interference.

Could be why black communities support those "awful" charter school proposals that the Democrats ignore them on.

 

[sparky]

What's embarrassing is the thought immigrants sworn in to citizenry here have more a clue than these youngsters.....~S~

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If the objective were to focus on the Republic, I'd support the effort, but participatory democracy???? I'm out.

 

[sparky]

the specter of partisan cirriculi Porter?

man.....i mean, teachers get enough public beat down as it is......

~S~

 

[Porter Rockwell]

the specter of partisan cirriculi Porter?

man.....i mean, teachers get enough public beat down as it is......

~S~

Every time we have the discussion, it's always about people talking democracy to the absolute exclusion of any discussion regarding the Republican Form of Government guaranteed in the Constitution. Teachers apparently aren't qualified to teach civics.

If you've followed the scraps I get into on this board you notice that even the right has NO CLUE as to what a Republic is OR how it works. The right ends up fighting against what the founders / framers advocated and America is becoming a third world socialist cesspool because of the false presuppositions regarding the concept of unalienable Rights. If you don't hear the word Republic more than "Democracy" in a discussion about civics, it is nothing more than the blind leading the blind. And, where, in that news story did you read about a Republic?

 

[sparky]

the specter of partisan cirriculi Porter?

man.....i mean, teachers get enough public beat down as it is......

~S~

Every time we have the discussion, it's always about people talking democracy to the absolute exclusion of any discussion regarding the Republican Form of Government guaranteed in the Constitution. Teachers apparently aren't qualified to teach civics.

If you've followed the scraps I get into on this board you notice that even the right has NO CLUE as to what a Republic is OR how it works. The right ends up fighting against what the founders / framers advocated and America is becoming a third world socialist cesspool because of the false presuppositions regarding the concept of unalienable Rights. If you don't hear the word Republic more than "Democracy" in a discussion about civics, it is nothing more than the blind leading the blind. And, where, in that news story did you read about a Republic?

point made Porter

if adult citizens can't figure it out, how would we expect it taught to any of our youth?

~S~

 

[sparky]

Fwiw, there are lots of posters here that have it all over any 'constitutional wits' i may possess.

Myself, i'm siding more with being obligated as a good citizen

They tell me freedom isn't free.....seems we should have some respect for that

How is that notion passed on?




~S~

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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Rhode Island lawsuit: Students sue for the right to learn civics

If they win, the case could go down in history as the Brown v. Board of Education for their generation.

~S~

The RI students don’t have a case, there is no ‘right’ to a good education:

‘Rebell says he wants the Supreme Court to answer a question that arose from a 1973 case about students from a poor school district in Texas who said they were not getting the same education and being denied their right to adequate education because wealthy school districts got more money.

In that case, the Supreme Court raised but didn't answer the question of whether students have a fundamental right under the 14th Amendment to education which provides them "the basic minimal skills necessary for the enjoyment of the rights of speech and full participation in the political process," according to the complaint.

Ultimately, the Supreme Court ruled that the State of Texas had not violated the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. But the court also agreed that if education inequality prevents students from their right to speak or vote, it may violate the Constitution.’

Students sue Rhode Island over lack of civics education - CNN

If the state were preventing black or Muslim students from attending civics class, while allowing white students to attend, that would be a likely violation of the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause.

In this case, however, as long as the students are all equally afforded the same poor education, regardless of race, religion, or national origin, no rights are being violated, and the students’ case is without merit.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

the specter of partisan cirriculi Porter?

man.....i mean, teachers get enough public beat down as it is......

~S~

Every time we have the discussion, it's always about people talking democracy to the absolute exclusion of any discussion regarding the Republican Form of Government guaranteed in the Constitution. Teachers apparently aren't qualified to teach civics.

If you've followed the scraps I get into on this board you notice that even the right has NO CLUE as to what a Republic is OR how it works. The right ends up fighting against what the founders / framers advocated and America is becoming a third world socialist cesspool because of the false presuppositions regarding the concept of unalienable Rights. If you don't hear the word Republic more than "Democracy" in a discussion about civics, it is nothing more than the blind leading the blind. And, where, in that news story did you read about a Republic?

point made Porter

if adult citizens can't figure it out, how would we expect it taught to any of our youth?

~S~

It’s not as if the students and their parents are helpless to do nothing, they’re simply going about it the wrong way.

They should seek relief through the political – not legal – process; they need to petition the state government for a redress of grievances, and advocate for civics courses to be taught in public schools.

 

[dblack]

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Rhode Island lawsuit: Students sue for the right to learn civics

If they win, the case could go down in history as the Brown v. Board of Education for their generation.

~S~

Democrat civics? Or Republican civics?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Could be why black communities support those "awful" charter school proposals that the Democrats ignore them on.

In reality, they support them because the efforts to get their local piblic schools improved have failed.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Fwiw, there are lots of posters here that have it all over any 'constitutional wits' i may possess.

Myself, i'm siding more with being obligated as a good citizen

They tell me freedom isn't free.....seems we should have some respect for that

How is that notion passed on?




~S~

I don't know a definitive answer, but I make sure that any child entrusted to my care knows a few things like the Pledge of Allegiance, a little about the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution. You can make history fun and applicable to a child's life.

Once a kid becomes a teen, they work a part time job and get their first dose of reality: a paycheck minus taxes. That's an opportune time to make sure they understand that, as a taxpayer, they are also an employer and they need to know what their employees are spending the money on.

The real problem is that 99 percent of most Americans would fail a civics test. So, it is the blind leading the blind. And just so you understand this, I have to give you an analogy:

In the 1990s I had the opportunity to work on a legal case wherein local sheriffs refused to enforce the Brady background bill. Their view was that they were elected by the people in their county and did not answer to the federal government. In the end, the United States government agreed with them. The federal government has no authority to commandeer state and local officials.

Today, if the federal government passed an unconstitutional gun law, the state and local LEOs could refuse to enforce the law. Our Right to resist tyrannical government has been upheld as the founders / framers intended.

Along come those obsessed with immigration demanding that state and local governments arrest undocumented foreigners. The organizations representing the undocumented foreigners invoke the precedent set in the Printz case wherein the state and local governments cannot be commandeered by the federal government. Those obsessed with immigration are too uneducated to understand that, Hell, I may empathize with them about immigration. The sheriff I worked with during the Printz case as it developed, Richard Mack is on their side. He regrets the decision as it is now used to remind people like Trump that he cannot commandeer state and local officials.

With states like Virginia threatening to enforce gun laws using the National Guard, the military or anyone else, I do not regret the fact that the feds cannot intervene (constitutionally) to dismantle sanctuary cities because that same law is what allows the states to stand against unconstitutional laws like gun control.

With so many uneducated / misinformed people about how the system works and what you might have to give up on one issue to prevail on another means that if we made civics a required course, we'd be hard pressed to find objective and informed teachers to teach the subject. Don't this make you feel like a rodent on a treadmill?

 

[sparky]

The real problem is that 99 percent of most Americans would fail a civics test. So, it is the blind leading the blind.

i was afraid someone would say that.....
U.S. Citizenship Test - Civics Test Practice by USCitizenshipSupport.com

The federal government has no authority to commandeer state and local officials.

So you worked a 10ther issue?
That is interesting , so you know a lot of socio-political issues orbit this ?
I'm hoping to read you in what are a lot of these here then Porter

Don't this make you feel like a rodent on a treadmill?

a blind one....

~S~

 

[MAGAman]

Democrat civics? Or Republican civics?

Republican AKA Real Civics.