Consider how the Affordable Care Act will save money

[Bloodline]

All this gnashing of teeth over the SCOTUS ruling is just a bunch of political bluster and posturing.

CONservatives actually welcome this ruling because it gives them something to bitch about, finally a "cause" to rally around. Let's face it. Mitt Romney is an extremely weak candidate to go into November with and the GOP hasn't had much of a platform on which to challenge Obama.

They still don't but at least now they have a new mantra...."new tax"....."new tax"...."new tax"...."loss of freedom"....""loss of freedom"...."loss of freedom"...."dictator"...."dictator"...."dictator"....

Over and over and over!

It would behoove all the Obama bashers to take a step back and consider the long term cost to society of having a country full of so many uninsured people. Everybody I know in the healthcare profession agrees that it's vastly more expensive to society to treat people who have not had adequate preventative medicine and healthcare all along.

Most of America's uninsured do get medical treatment eventually, once their conditions have reached chronic and/or emergency status. True, emergency rooms do treat indigents. Medicaid and medicare do pay for treatment of chronic conditions. This is usually very expensive, often much more expensive than it would have been to treat the condition with preventative medicine all along.

Covering the uninsured and the costs to society

Why is everybody so livid about what they're calling a new "tax?" The government technically over reaches all the time under the auspices of "protecting society."

Look at the so called "sin tax" on alcohol and tobacco. How can the government tax substances up to 500%?

Easy....their use costs "society" a LOT of money.

In New Mexico (Albuquerque anyway) if you get caught driving drunk they can confiscate your vehicle....i.e. STEAL it from you.

How can this be legal? What about the constitutional right to be secure in your property?

Easy...DUI has been identified as a threat to society.

So the Affordable Health Care law mkes good sense in the long run as far as PROTECTING society from the excessive costs of everybody having to pay for the uninsured. Insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals just pass the costs of covering uninsured people onto you in the form of higher costs and premiums. In the long run this legislation will probably lower costs and premiums for everybody and that would be good for society.

You have to think LONG TERM though and all CONservatives are taking out of this is an opportunity to salivate over the 2012 elections.

Nothing is going to change if Romney is elected in November.

Don't believe a word of it!

 

[Gideonprime]

Oh But loss of freedom, don't you know rightists know when they will be sick and will buy then?

Seriously, though, Love this post!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah, it's sure to bend the costs down. The economics and metrics of adding 30MM people to a system already headed to bankruptcy has to be good

 

[The T]

Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Debt = Income

Tax = Free

 

[grunt11b]

All this gnashing of teeth over the SCOTUS ruling is just a bunch of political bluster and posturing.

CONservatives actually welcome this ruling because it gives them something to bitch about, finally a "cause" to rally around. Let's face it. Mitt Romney is an extremely weak candidate to go into November with and the GOP hasn't had much of a platform on which to challenge Obama.

They still don't but at least now they have a new mantra...."new tax"....."new tax"...."new tax"...."loss of freedom"....""loss of freedom"...."loss of freedom"...."dictator"...."dictator"...."dictator"....

Over and over and over!

It would behoove all the Obama bashers to take a step back and consider the long term cost to society of having a country full of so many uninsured people. Everybody I know in the healthcare profession agrees that it's vastly more expensive to society to treat people who have not had adequate preventative medicine and healthcare all along.

Most of America's uninsured do get medical treatment eventually, once their conditions have reached chronic and/or emergency status. True, emergency rooms do treat indigents. Medicaid and medicare do pay for treatment of chronic conditions. This is usually very expensive, often much more expensive than it would have been to treat the condition with preventative medicine all along.

Covering the uninsured and the costs to society

Why is everybody so livid about what they're calling a new "tax?" The government technically over reaches all the time under the auspices of "protecting society."

Look at the so called "sin tax" on alcohol and tobacco. How can the government tax substances up to 500%?

Easy....their use costs "society" a LOT of money.

In New Mexico (Albuquerque anyway) if you get caught driving drunk they can confiscate your vehicle....i.e. STEAL it from you.

How can this be legal? What about the constitutional right to be secure in your property?

Easy...DUI has been identified as a threat to society.

So the Affordable Health Care law mkes good sense in the long run as far as PROTECTING society from the excessive costs of everybody having to pay for the uninsured. Insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals just pass the costs of covering uninsured people onto you in the form of higher costs and premiums. In the long run this legislation will probably lower costs and premiums for everybody and that would be good for society.

You have to think LONG TERM though and all CONservatives are taking out of this is an opportunity to salivate over the 2012 elections.

Nothing is going to change if Romney is elected in November.

Don't believe a word of it!

Can you name one government program that saves money?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All this gnashing of teeth over the SCOTUS ruling is just a bunch of political bluster and posturing.

CONservatives actually welcome this ruling because it gives them something to bitch about, finally a "cause" to rally around. Let's face it. Mitt Romney is an extremely weak candidate to go into November with and the GOP hasn't had much of a platform on which to challenge Obama.

They still don't but at least now they have a new mantra...."new tax"....."new tax"...."new tax"...."loss of freedom"....""loss of freedom"...."loss of freedom"...."dictator"...."dictator"...."dictator"....

Over and over and over!

It would behoove all the Obama bashers to take a step back and consider the long term cost to society of having a country full of so many uninsured people. Everybody I know in the healthcare profession agrees that it's vastly more expensive to society to treat people who have not had adequate preventative medicine and healthcare all along.

Most of America's uninsured do get medical treatment eventually, once their conditions have reached chronic and/or emergency status. True, emergency rooms do treat indigents. Medicaid and medicare do pay for treatment of chronic conditions. This is usually very expensive, often much more expensive than it would have been to treat the condition with preventative medicine all along.

Covering the uninsured and the costs to society

Why is everybody so livid about what they're calling a new "tax?" The government technically over reaches all the time under the auspices of "protecting society."

Look at the so called "sin tax" on alcohol and tobacco. How can the government tax substances up to 500%?

Easy....their use costs "society" a LOT of money.

In New Mexico (Albuquerque anyway) if you get caught driving drunk they can confiscate your vehicle....i.e. STEAL it from you.

How can this be legal? What about the constitutional right to be secure in your property?

Easy...DUI has been identified as a threat to society.

So the Affordable Health Care law mkes good sense in the long run as far as PROTECTING society from the excessive costs of everybody having to pay for the uninsured. Insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals just pass the costs of covering uninsured people onto you in the form of higher costs and premiums. In the long run this legislation will probably lower costs and premiums for everybody and that would be good for society.

You have to think LONG TERM though and all CONservatives are taking out of this is an opportunity to salivate over the 2012 elections.

Nothing is going to change if Romney is elected in November.

Don't believe a word of it!

Can you name one government program that saves money?

/thread

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Govt programs don't save money. Without taxpayer money they couldn't exist.

 

[The T]

Govt programs don't save money. Without taxpayer money they couldn't exist.

Agreed. And to pay they impose more taxes. No free society has taxed/spent it's way into prosperity period.

All it leads to is government control, less liberty more tyranny.

 

[Katzndogz]

Yeah, it's sure to bend the costs down. The economics and metrics of adding 30MM people to a system already headed to bankruptcy has to be good

If you think like a leftist, it starts to make sense. Once the government has control of the health care system, the state can mandate good health. The goal for the left is preventative care by law. Michael Bloomberg in passing laws against salt and large size soft drinks, schools that prohibit all but non fat milk are on the cutting edge of preventative care. The so called war on obesity AFTER having changed the standards, is part of that. In being able to dictate and control preventive care so that an individual has no right to cause injury to the public by their behavior in incurring health care costs, there is virtually no limit to what the government can't control. Movie popcorn is on the list of soon to be banned foods.

Health panel talks about wider food ban - New York News | New York Breaking News | NYC Headlines

Singapore had a law making chewing gum illegal because studies showed that chewing gum contributes to tooth decay and the public paid for dental work so that gave the government a right to ban unhealthy chewing gum.


The sky reall isn't even a limit.

 

[Bloodline]

Yeah, it's sure to bend the costs down. The economics and metrics of adding 30MM people to a system already headed to bankruptcy has to be good

If you think like a leftist, it starts to make sense. Once the government has control of the health care system, the state can mandate good health. The goal for the left is preventative care by law. Michael Bloomberg in passing laws against salt and large size soft drinks, schools that prohibit all but non fat milk are on the cutting edge of preventative care. The so called war on obesity AFTER having changed the standards, is part of that. In being able to dictate and control preventive care so that an individual has no right to cause injury to the public by their behavior in incurring health care costs, there is virtually no limit to what the government can't control. Movie popcorn is on the list of soon to be banned foods.

Health panel talks about wider food ban - New York News | New York Breaking News | NYC Headlines

Singapore had a law making chewing gum illegal because studies showed that chewing gum contributes to tooth decay and the public paid for dental work so that gave the government a right to ban unhealthy chewing gum.


The sky reall isn't even a limit.

I think everyone has just gone a little too far with this Orwellian paranoia of government. Government can be good but it has to be limited. We have a pretty good system of checks and balances on our government as evidenced by this Supreme Court challenge to Obamacare and ultimately its final ruling on the issue.

Every American can (and should) question their government but there comes a point where one should relax and trust the system to work.

This is all a process. We don't know how everything in this healthcare reform is going to pan out in the long run. We simply don't. I'm sure that a lot of tweaking and adjustments will need to be made down the road.

One thing I think we will all agree on is that SOMETHING has to be done because the status quo is broken.

The sky is not falling though. Why do CONservatives start squawking that it is everytime somebody starts rocking their broken status quo?

 

[g5000]

So much illogic, so little time.

It would behoove all the Obama bashers to take a step back and consider the long term cost to society of having a country full of so many uninsured people.

False dilemna. ObamaCare is not the ONLY solution to our problems. In fact, it exacerbates them. This will not bend the cost curve down at all. Ask yourself why Obama personally raised the tax exemption for labor unions Cadillac health plans to $27,000 if he was really about bending down the cost curve. Don't be such a rube.



Secondly, it is a classic example of how the federal government deliberately creates an unhealthy dependency upon it, and then bankrupts the living shit out of the country.

ObamaCare lures the states into increasing their Medicaid rolls by subsidizing the increased cost of adding all those people to Medicaid.

That's the lure. That's the dependency on the federal government.

Then, in 2019, that subsidy goes away. And the states now have to pay for all those extra Medicaid patients out their own pockets from then on.

BOOM! Up go their costs. Which they cannot possibly afford. But this will be long after Obama is gone as he laughs his fucking ass off.

Why is everybody so livid about what they're calling a new "tax?" The government technically over reaches all the time under the auspices of "protecting society."

"We have always done it that way" is the lamest, dumbest, and weakest of all arguments for why we should keep doing something.

You are right. We have always been slaves. I guess that makes it okay to enslave us to the government even more!

"I'm just going to put it in a little bit."

Socialism by increments.

 

[grunt11b]

Yeah, it's sure to bend the costs down. The economics and metrics of adding 30MM people to a system already headed to bankruptcy has to be good

You could explain it, but the left cannot wrap their minds around it.

 

[grunt11b]

Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

Which is why this law was set to take effect in 2014, Obama would either be out of office and it would be left to a GOP president to explain why everything is going to shit, or Obama would still be in office and it would be to late to vote him out. Either way it was a shit bag pussy ass move by the democrats to set it up that way.

 

[grunt11b]

Yeah, it's sure to bend the costs down. The economics and metrics of adding 30MM people to a system already headed to bankruptcy has to be good

If you think like a leftist, it starts to make sense. Once the government has control of the health care system, the state can mandate good health. The goal for the left is preventative care by law. Michael Bloomberg in passing laws against salt and large size soft drinks, schools that prohibit all but non fat milk are on the cutting edge of preventative care. The so called war on obesity AFTER having changed the standards, is part of that. In being able to dictate and control preventive care so that an individual has no right to cause injury to the public by their behavior in incurring health care costs, there is virtually no limit to what the government can't control. Movie popcorn is on the list of soon to be banned foods.

Health panel talks about wider food ban - New York News | New York Breaking News | NYC Headlines

Singapore had a law making chewing gum illegal because studies showed that chewing gum contributes to tooth decay and the public paid for dental work so that gave the government a right to ban unhealthy chewing gum.


The sky reall isn't even a limit.

I think everyone has just gone a little too far with this Orwellian paranoia of government. Government can be good but it has to be limited. We have a pretty good system of checks and balances on our government as evidenced by this Supreme Court challenge to Obamacare and ultimately its final ruling on the issue.

Every American can (and should) question their government but there comes a point where one should relax and trust the system to work.

This is all a process. We don't know how everything in this healthcare reform is going to pan out in the long run. We simply don't. I'm sure that a lot of tweaking and adjustments will need to be made down the road.

One thing I think we will all agree on is that SOMETHING has to be done because the status quo is broken.

The sky is not falling though. Why do CONservatives start squawking that it is everytime somebody starts rocking their broken status quo?

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

 

[WillowTree]

The folks who LOVE big government don't pay taxes, if they paid taxes they wouldn't love big GOVERNMENT.

 

[Jackson]

So the Affordable Health Care law mkes good sense in the long run as far as PROTECTING society from the excessive costs of everybody having to pay for the uninsured. Insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals just pass the costs of covering uninsured people onto you in the form of higher costs and premiums. In the long run this legislation will probably lower costs and premiums for everybody and that would be good for society.

1. We are all looking at higher costs and premiums due to this Act.

2. "probably" is definitely false.

3. If we had taken securing our borders more securely and stopped giving work back door amnesties, more of the illegals would be self deporting, lowering medical costs.

4. We already have medicaid to take care of the less fortunate and this is adding to taxes to the the same people who are losing homes and finding people who cannot cope in a crisis ecomony we find ourselves in at the present time.

 

[Gideonprime]

The folks who LOVE big government don't pay taxes, if they paid taxes they wouldn't love big GOVERNMENT.

Utter BS!

 

[Katzndogz]

The folks who LOVE big government don't pay taxes, if they paid taxes they wouldn't love big GOVERNMENT.

That's what the Russians thought, right up until the point Lenin marched them off to forced labor camps.

The Golden Sasquatch, moochelle obama, wonders what laws can be passed to stop the evil white folks from making black kids fat.

Michelle O: No TV for kids | WashingtonExaminer.com

"What about all those kids growing up in neighborhoods where they don't feel safe; kids who never have opportunities worthy of their promise? What court case do we bring on their behalf? What laws do we pass for them?" she added.

With no laws to use to change habits, she told the crowd it's up to them to help the new generation succeed.

 

[Bloodline]

Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

Which is why this law was set to take effect in 2014, Obama would either be out of office and it would be left to a GOP president to explain why everything is going to shit, or Obama would still be in office and it would be to late to vote him out. Either way it was a shit bag pussy ass move by the democrats to set it up that way.

You obviously listened to Rush yesterday didn't you because he said this first.

See....

RUSH: Well, but wait now just a second. I'm not trying to throw cold water on you, but none of that's gonna happen between now and November. This stuff that you're talking about doesn't kick in 'til 2014, by design, after Obama has already run for reelection. This is gonna be up to the Romney campaign to explain this to people.

Callers Weigh In on Obamacare Ruling - The Rush Limbaugh Show

You'd be more credible if you'd think and speak for yourself instead of just parroting the words of others and trying to sound like you just thought of it!

This is an all too common pitfall for the right wing....they don't THINK!

They have too many talking heads to do it for them.