Conservatives Still Wildly Support Bush

[Gord]

This president will go down in history as the worst ever.

Sorry - Bubba already took that prize:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/65273-bill-clintons-third-term-3.html#post925374

 

[bk1983]

Sorry - Bubba already took that prize:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/65273-bill-clintons-third-term-3.html#post925374

LMAO!! Oh ok..

 

[QUENTIN]

Try looking up the difference in definition between promotion and providing... you biased and partisan ass licker

So...nothing then about the fact that offensive foreign wars are NOT defense, neither mandated nor called for in the Constitution, and that most of our "defense" spending is not in the spirit of the "common defense"? That most of our military spending goes to foreign war and preparation for foreign war and this spending is NOT "the principle charge of the government", necessary or beneficial for the US citizenry, and could drastically cut our spending and debt?

No, promote and provide mean different things and you think I don't know that. That's the important lesson to be taken away from the conversation and the valuable, relevant point to debate.

 

[DiamondDave]

So...nothing then about the fact that offensive foreign wars are NOT defense, neither mandated nor called for in the Constitution, and that most of our "defense" spending is not in the spirit of the "common defense"? That most of our military spending goes to foreign war and preparation for foreign war and this spending is NOT "the principle charge of the government", necessary or beneficial for the US citizenry, and could drastically cut our spending and debt?

No, promote and provide mean different things and you think I don't know that. That's the important lesson to be taken away from the conversation and the valuable, relevant point to debate.

Are you truly that fucking dense? Or is it that you are THAT partisan?

National defense is not just sitting and waiting for an attack on our soil by a military force sanctioned by a sovereign nation

But nice try

 

[Gord]

A typical liberal strains his brain in an attempt to make a cogent argument - and the best he can come up with is:

LMAO!! Oh ok..

 

[DiamondDave]

Sorry - Bubba already took that prize:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/65273-bill-clintons-third-term-3.html#post925374

Look... I'm no Clinton fan... but there is no way I can call him the worst President in history, or even the past 50 years, when you have had the likes of Jimmy Carter in office

 

[sealybobo]

It will be an interesting 4 years watching all the excuses obama supporters will make.

I'm sure there will be graphs and pie charts too.

Obama is taking over a fucked up economy and 2 quagmires that YOUR PARTY caused.

Remember you idiots kept trying to say that Clinton was fucking up and meanwhile he was one of the best presidents ever?

You guys said the economy was weak when Clinton was in office and you were wrong. We told you this economy was fucked up under Bush and we were right.

It will be interesting to see you guys turn into hawks when for the first 6 years of Bush's administration, you were ostriches' with your heads buried in the sand.

 

[xsited1]

that's a nice fairytale, but I ain't buying it.

I doubt more than a few percent of self-identified partisan republicans voted for a democrat in 2006 or 2008. Why did it take you six years to realize bush was a moron anyway? You were told as far back as 2000 he was out of his league.

Bush did exactly what he promised to do. That's one thing I'll give him. He did exactly what he promised to do in his 2000 campaign: less taxes for rich, less regulations for corporations, more spending on pentagon, medicare, and education.

That's exactly what he campainged on in 2000, and he was the toast of conservatives and republicans at large. Why would cons claim they never backed bush when bush had a 90-95% approval rating among republicans for years. Did it really take cons six years to realized Bush's bullshit wouldn't work, when Al Gore and libs told you it was fuzzy math as far back as 2000?

Cons knew what they were voting for. Bush was explicit about his agenda. And cons were fine with it for years. Obviously, cons want to distance themselves from bush, and I understand they want to pretend they were "duped". Its hard to accept responsibility for failure. And cons don't want to own bush failure, or their support for his moronic agenda.

You are a funny man. Do you really think Al Gore had any clue how to run the government? And you still think I voted and supported Bush? There are so many problems with your post, there is little reason to refute it. You'll continue voting for Democrats regardless of the outcome. To use your line, continue to live in your fairytale world. But my hope is that one day you'll decide to wake up and look at the facts rather than blindly following the person with a 'D' at the end of their name. Until then, you will be called 'Libtard'.

 

[editec]

We've had an FDR on steroids, and his name was Bush.

If anything, Bush II is the antitheisis of FDR.

The most socialist President we've ever had in America. He's nationalized the banking industry.

No, he's given some of the richest people in the world more money.

I might have tried to keep the economy from melting down a different way, of course, but preventing that meltdown IS necessary. Giving the banks money without controlling what they do with it was insane.

He's working to nationalize the car industry.

At this stage of the game, saving the auto industry is probably a good idea. I wouldn't do it the way he's doing it, though.

These policies have simply failed.

They certainly seem to be failing, I'll grant you that. And they will fail if they don't change the gameplan.

He's gone to war, unwittingly,

He went to war foolishly for this nation. But ~ damn! ~ it sure worked out well for Halliburton, and a lot of BushII cronnies, didn't it?

and that's the most socialistic action one can take.

Going to war is no more socialist than capitalist. Sometimes war is necessary sometimes it is criminal. Bush II's war was mostly criminal.

I'd love to see what this change Obama is talking about, because I doubt he'll support liberty in our markets instead of all this government control that we got from Bush.

I think you're right about that.

We need free markets in everything from health care (look at what government did when they tried to intervene the first time-- they created HMOs), to cars, to energy.

I've written very long posts about health care. Did you read them?

We need free trade, because the more choices a consumer has, the healthier the economy is.

FREE TRADE, as currently practiced, has been disasterous for the American people, and for the American national debt, too. It's the dumbest economic policy this nation has ever done.

It's really astonishing protectionists say, "It's better for our economy when consumers have no choices."

They never say that. What's really astonishing is that you think they do.

We need to abolish the Fed, so government doesn't have control over our money.

Or rethink it so the people DO control the money and the BANKS don't.

We need to leave those $5 trillion dollars in the hands of people,

Those $5 Trillion don't yet exist. But I agree we need to get that NEW MONEY into the hands of the people. On that you and I agree fully.

not Paulsen and his rich buddies,

You seem to understand half the problem, but not how to get to the solution.

to create jobs down the line.

There's the solution, that's for DAMNED sure.

If Obama backs any of those notions, than he'll be the change candidate that he calls himself. Until then, it's complete bullshit.

I too am waiting with bated breathe to see what Obama does.

I'm cautiously hopeful, but thus far not terribly impressed.

Of course he's not in office yet.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's more complicated than that. The Republicans lost Congress in 2006. That was primarily due to conservatives losing all respect for the neoconservatives in Congress and instead voting for - in some cases - the more conservative Democrat. 2004 was a little different since John Kerry was running for President and nobody wanted him. By 2008, conservatives were completely disgusted which explains why Obama won by millions of votes (in the popular election). I shouldn't have said conservatives would never support Bush because prior to 2004 he seemed to act somewhat like a conservative. They gave him the benefit of the doubt and I'm sure still regret that decision.

LOL. That was primarily because a lot of the American Public lost all respect for Conservatives. 2008 a whole lot more joined the disgusted as the full effects of the conservative agenda bore fruit in the economic sphere. You Conservatives gave Bush your unqualified support for nearly eight years. Enjoy the results.

 

[Gord]

Look... I'm no Clinton fan... but there is no way I can call him the worst President in history, or even the past 50 years, when you have had the likes of Jimmy Carter in office

Take a close look at the post in my link and you will see that America is and will be paying for Clinton's many reckless mistakes far into the future, including the seeds of the current credit crisis, worldwide terrorism that could have been nipped in the bud, a needless war in Afghanistan, a prolonged Iraq war that would have been much shorter if Clinton had invaded when he was rightly threatening to do so, China now capable of reaching N.A. with nuclear missiles, a precedent for accepting illegal foreign campaign contributions which Obama has followed, a precedent for ignoring foreign massacres as with Rwanda, being suckered by Yasser Arafat into the Palestinian Intifada for which Israel is still paying, a precedent of making war against countries where there is no American interest, no UN support and based on a fabricated premise (Serbia/Kosovo), and setting a precedent that a president can expose the presidency to potential blackmail and not resign or be forced out.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/65273-bill-clintons-third-term-3.html#post925374

 

[Old Rocks]

You are a funny man. Do you really think Al Gore had any clue how to run the government? And you still think I voted and supported Bush? There are so many problems with your post, there is little reason to refute it. You'll continue voting for Democrats regardless of the outcome. To use your line, continue to live in your fairytale world. But my hope is that one day you'll decide to wake up and look at the facts rather than blindly following the person with a 'D' at the end of their name. Until then, you will be called 'Libtard'.

Another stupid ass. Al Gore has made Bush look like an idiot. Bush never succeeded at a business venture in his life. Al walks away from the 2000 elecition, takes a modestly wealthy inheritance and turns it into real money investing in the hi-tech sector when that sector was on a real downer. Then he takes a lecture that he has given worldwide and makes a movie out of it that wins a couple of Oscers. After which he gets a Nobel prize. Gore is respected and admired worldwide. And there are many nations in which Bush will not be welcome after 20Jan2009. You fellows are sick with envy because, worldwide, other nations are comparing the two and wondering why America picked such a loser as Bush when a man of Gore's stature was available.

Anyone that still defends and supports Bush is obviously an idiot. Welcome to the Second Great Republican Depression.

 

[DiamondDave]

Gord... not calling Clinton a good or great Prez.... but Jimmy Carter did harm that is still effecting us to this day... his foreign policy alone set us back 50 years... his negative effects on the economy took EXTREME measures to overcome... I personally put Carter as one of the 2 worst Presidents of all time, with good argument of being the bottom dog

 

[DiamondDave]

Another stupid ass. Al Gore has made Bush look like an idiot. Bush never succeeded at a business venture in his life. Al walks away from the 2000 elecition, takes a modestly wealthy inheritance and turns it into real money investing in the hi-tech sector when that sector was on a real downer. Then he takes a lecture that he has given worldwide and makes a movie out of it that wins a couple of Oscers. After which he gets a Nobel prize. Gore is respected and admired worldwide. And there are many nations in which Bush will not be welcome after 20Jan2009. You fellows are sick with envy because, worldwide, other nations are comparing the two and wondering why America picked such a loser as Bush when a man of Gore's stature was available.

Anyone that still defends and supports Bush is obviously an idiot. Welcome to the Second Great Republican Depression.

OOoooooooooooooohhhhhh.. Nobel Peace Prize... right in the same category with Arafat... I'm SOOOOOO impressed

Gore was an abortion and is an abortion... has a gift of double speak and scaring people into his view

 

[sealybobo]

Gord... not calling Clinton a good or great Prez.... but Jimmy Carter did harm that is still effecting us to this day... his foreign policy alone set us back 50 years... his negative effects on the economy took EXTREME measures to overcome... I personally put Carter as one of the 2 worst Presidents of all time, with good argument of being the bottom dog

That was the way you guys talked before GW. You and everyone else knows GW will go down as the worse. And before him it wasn't Carter, it was Hoover.

 

[WillowTree]

Gord... not calling Clinton a good or great Prez.... but Jimmy Carter did harm that is still effecting us to this day... his foreign policy alone set us back 50 years... his negative effects on the economy took EXTREME measures to overcome... I personally put Carter as one of the 2 worst Presidents of all time, with good argument of being the bottom dog

Bill Clinton was the worst President ever. Because he looked the other way for eight years while the terrorists kicked his ass. Made it a laughingstock police matter, he is more responsible for 9-11 than anyone else is. Oh, too busy not even knowing if he had sex or not. What a worthless pos and the obamalama comes in and picks the same DUmb fricking people to help him. More DUmbness.

 

[sealybobo]

You are a funny man. Do you really think Al Gore had any clue how to run the government? And you still think I voted and supported Bush? There are so many problems with your post, there is little reason to refute it. You'll continue voting for Democrats regardless of the outcome. To use your line, continue to live in your fairytale world. But my hope is that one day you'll decide to wake up and look at the facts rather than blindly following the person with a 'D' at the end of their name. Until then, you will be called 'Libtard'.

Red Dawn makes a great point. Bush and the GOP did EXACTLY what they said they would do. It just didn't work.

So much for their free market capitalistic approach to our economy.

 

[Gord]

Gord... not calling Clinton a good or great Prez.... but Jimmy Carter did harm that is still effecting us to this day... his foreign policy alone set us back 50 years... his negative effects on the economy took EXTREME measures to overcome... I personally put Carter as one of the 2 worst Presidents of all time, with good argument of being the bottom dog

Yeah I know it is hard to ignore the damage Carter did in just one term, but I think in the balance Bubba's terrible influance on this country has been and will be longer lasting and more destructive. Meh - either way both were a lose-lose for the country and the world...

 

[sealybobo]

Bill Clinton was the worst President ever. Because he looked the other way for eight years while the terrorists kicked his ass. Made it a laughingstock police matter, he is more responsible for 9-11 than anyone else is. Oh, too busy not even knowing if he had sex or not. What a worthless pos and the obamalama comes in and picks the same DUmb fricking people to help him. More DUmbness.

Bill Clinton could walk on water and you'd have a problem with it.

Bush received this memo: "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US."

After Bush was briefed by a CIA officer on the memo, Bush replied, "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

Bush was sworn in on Jan 20th. We were hit Sept 11th.

So does Obama get a free pass on anything that happens from Jan 20th to 9-11-09?

 

[Gord]

Bill Clinton was the worst President ever. Because he looked the other way for eight years while the terrorists kicked his ass. Made it a laughingstock police matter, he is more responsible for 9-11 than anyone else is. Oh, too busy not even knowing if he had sex or not. What a worthless pos and the obamalama comes in and picks the same DUmb fricking people to help him. More DUmbness.

Yup - all those great Clinton people that brought us almost every problem we are fighting now, get to make sure we will be fighting them and more long into the future...