Conservatives don't know what insurance is or what insurance companies do.

[The Derp]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

 

[1stRambo]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

Yo, move to California or New York, those Socialist Democrat Governments will pick up the tab!!! There is only about 16 States you can choose from who have a Socialist Democrat Government, Good Luck!!!

"GTP"

 

[The Derp]

Yo, move to California or New York, those Socialist Democrat Governments will pick up the tab!!! There is only about 16 States you can choose from who have a Socialist Democrat Government, Good Luck!!!

What's funny is that without the revenues states like CA and NY contribute to the Treasury, red states wouldn't be able to keep their tax rates artificially low because they wouldn't be able to raid the welfare block grant to make up for the deficit gap caused by their tax cuts. Tax cuts that we were promised would "pay for themselves". Newsflash: They don't.

 

[Moonglow]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

Yo, move to California or New York, those Socialist Democrat Governments will pick up the tab!!! There is only about 16 States you can choose from who have a Socialist Democrat Government, Good Luck!!!

"GTP"
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How do you like paying for the coal miners health care all your working life? Well, you have been and to this day, you pay for it..Now bitch about that..

 

[The Derp]

How do you like paying for the coal miners health care all your working life? Well, you have been and to this day, you pay for it..Now bitch about that..

They deserve it because they risked their lives and health, and the companies they work for don't give a shit about them.

 

[1stRambo]

Yo, move to California or New York, those Socialist Democrat Governments will pick up the tab!!! There is only about 16 States you can choose from who have a Socialist Democrat Government, Good Luck!!!

What's funny is that without the revenues states like CA and NY contribute to the Treasury, red states wouldn't be able to keep their tax rates artificially low because they wouldn't be able to raid the welfare block grant to make up for the deficit gap caused by their tax cuts. Tax cuts that we were promised would "pay for themselves". Newsflash: They don't.

Yo, check California or New York Debt? Do I see a Taxpayer Bailout?

DEBT PER CITIZEN:

New York ---- $17,749.00

California ---- $11,642.00

Socialist Democrats Favorite Word: SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND,

"GTP"

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

I'd say it's you who does not know what insurance is. Insurance is an assumption of risk by one party on behalf of another. Forcing coverage for damages that have in fact already occurred is not assumption of risk, but forced charitable contribution for a past occurrence.

Call such a program what you will, but it is not insurance.

 

[Penelope]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

Yo, move to California or New York, those Socialist Democrat Governments will pick up the tab!!! There is only about 16 States you can choose from who have a Socialist Democrat Government, Good Luck!!!

"GTP"
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How do you like paying for the coal miners health care all your working life? Well, you have been and to this day, you pay for it..Now bitch about that..

Yes we do and well we have to since the corps aren't. We don't seem to hold the corps accountable for much in this country and with Trump easing regs soon they will be allowed to do whatever they chose. We also support them with state and fed tax cuts.

 

[GoDemocratic]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

Doesn't it seem possible to give the corporations a little less tax break and leave health care and environment alone?

 

[PredFan]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

You ass has been handed to you multiple times but you still come back for more?

You aren't smart enough I guess to understand that there is a difference between one group of people, those who may have pre-existing conditions, who might have to pay more and the overall average premiums which will
go down. To your tiny little over stressed brain, one group equals all groups.

Dumbass.

 

[Winston]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

You ass has been handed to you multiple times but you still come back for more?

You aren't smart enough I guess to understand that there is a difference between one group of people, those who may have pre-existing conditions, who might have to pay more and the overall average premiums which will
go down. To your tiny little over stressed brain, one group equals all groups.

Dumbass.

Let's run with that. Current scenario---those with pre-existing conditions are in the general risk pool. Their increased risk is diversified, but it comes at a cost--higher premiums for those without pre-existing conditions.

Trump plan--get those with pre-existing conditions out of the general risk pool. Create a special, "high risk" pool.

Guess what, THAT AIN'T INSURANCE.

Insurance is, by definition, THE DIVERSIFICATION OF RISK. But the Trump plan is the exact opposite. Instead of diversifying risk it actually consolidates those risk into a GOVERNMENT RAN pool.

Dammit. The government already insures the poor, the retired, and the disabled. Who the hell needs an insurance industry that skims off all the cream and leaves the skim milk with the government.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

You ass has been handed to you multiple times but you still come back for more?

You aren't smart enough I guess to understand that there is a difference between one group of people, those who may have pre-existing conditions, who might have to pay more and the overall average premiums which will
go down. To your tiny little over stressed brain, one group equals all groups.

Dumbass.

This seems to be a statement of faith on your part, and not really backed up by reality.

Why do you believe that "overall", insurance premiums will go down?

 

[The Derp]

Yo, move to California or New York, those Socialist Democrat Governments will pick up the tab!!! There is only about 16 States you can choose from who have a Socialist Democrat Government, Good Luck!!!

So you're admitting, then, that the GOP health care bill sucks ass. If your defense of it is "if you don't like it, move", then you've got nothing on economic or fiscal grounds with which to make an argument.

How about instead of forcing people to move just so they can get healthcare, you go fuck yourself?

 

[The Derp]

Yo, check California or New York Debt? Do I see a Taxpayer Bailout?

Of course, the difference between federal debt (paying to the Treasury) and state debt are two different things you are trying to conflate into one because that's a Russian Active Measure.

Not sure what state debt per citizen has to do with federal revenues, since they are two completely different things. What I was referring to was the fact that CA, NY and most blue states contribute more to the US Treasury than they take. The same cannot be said about most all red states, who are taker states that take more than they contribute to the US Treasury. That's how red states keep their rtax rates artifically low...they use the welfare block grant to fill the deficits caused by their tax policies. Which would make every red state a WELFARE STATE, and make your governing economic ideology entirely dependent on welfare. Which would make you a welfare queen. And not just any welfare queen...the biggest welfare queen there is.

 

[The Derp]

I'd say it's you who does not know what insurance is. Insurance is an assumption of risk by one party on behalf of another. Forcing coverage for damages that have in fact already occurred is not assumption of risk, but forced charitable contribution for a past occurrence. Call such a program what you will, but it is not insurance.

So of course, that's not what health insurance is at all. You say it's an assumption of risk...who's risk? Not the patient, not the provider, just the insurer's risk to their profit margins. That's what you guys always leave out. The only reason insurance premiums go up is because insurers have a profit motive. Nothing they do has any positive influence on the care you receive. So when you say "assumption of risk", that's just a teabaggery way of saying "protecting the profits of insurers at the expense of your health" because that is the risk we are talking about. The risk to insurance company profits.

So try again, moron. Everything you say belies the fatal flaw that you have no fucking clue of that which you speak.

 

[The Derp]

Doesn't it seem possible to give the corporations a little less tax break and leave health care and environment alone?

Why do they need a tax break at all?

 

[The Derp]

You aren't smart enough I guess to understand that there is a difference between one group of people, those who may have pre-existing conditions, who might have to pay more and the overall average premiums which will
go down. To your tiny little over stressed brain, one group equals all groups.

Duh, what do you think insurance is????? Healthier people pay premiums so sicker people can get coverage, then when those healthy people become sick, the other healthy people help pay for them, and so on and so forth. That is what insurance is. When you start fragmenting the insurance market like you guys want, all you're doing is setting yourself, personally, up for a big hit when you get sick and need health care. The smaller the insurance pool, the higher the cost. That's why Medicare Part-D is prohibited from negotiating for cheaper prescription drugs. If they were allowed to, their leverage as the largest payor of prescription drugs would lead to them bargaining for cheaper drugs, which means smaller profits for drug companies. So why is Medicare prohibited from negotiating for cheaper drugs? Because Conservatives want you to go bankrupt paying for medication. There is no other answer.

Part of the problem is that Conservatives think they will never get sick, then when they do they expect someone else to pay for it.

 

[The Derp]

Dammit. The government already insures the poor, the retired, and the disabled. Who the hell needs an insurance industry that skims off all the cream and leaves the skim milk with the government.

Exactly!!!!!!

Insurance companies do nothing to improve or enhance your health care or your outcomes. Insurance companies don't employ any doctors (exception being Kaiser), they don't do mammograms, they don't do prostate exams, they don't take your blood pressure, they don't take your temperature, they don't prescribe you drugs, and they don't cure diseases. All insurance companies do is administrate the reimbursement from the premium pool to your provider for the care they performed. And for this "service" they get to keep as much as 20 cents of every $1 you pay in premiums for themselves. What a rip-off.

 

[debbiedowner]

This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

You ass has been handed to you multiple times but you still come back for more?

You aren't smart enough I guess to understand that there is a difference between one group of people, those who may have pre-existing conditions, who might have to pay more and the overall average premiums which will
go down. To your tiny little over stressed brain, one group equals all groups.

Dumbass.

Premium's will only go down with plans that have a lot less coverage and you taking more of a personal responsibility.

 

[The Derp]

This seems to be a statement of faith on your part, and not really backed up by reality. Why do you believe that "overall", insurance premiums will go down?

Seriously, you're asking someone to set their faith aside for facts. Good luck with that.

So long as there remains a profit motive tied to the administration of reimbursements, health insurance premiums will never decline. Obamacare mitigated those rate increases by offering subsidies, but the premiums will increase regardless. Why? Because insurance companies are for-profit and are chiefly concerned not with your health, but with profits. And in health care, the pursuit of profits often conflict with the needs of the patient. That's how we get rationing.