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As libertarian as I am, I agree with student loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people an education they otherwise may never have been able to afford, and they add skilled workers to the labor pool. They are not "hand-outs". They get paid back, PLUS interest. If anything were worth the government INVESTING money in, it's higher education.
Sound off. Who out of the conservatives here agrees with them, who disagrees, and WHY?
It's ok to spend hundreds of billions on a war that may not have even been necessary, but it's not ok to loan someone money to go to college.
Hey Kevin, if you're reading this thread, I'm interested in your opinion on government underwritten student loans. I know Ron's against it, but it's probably one of the very FEW things I disagree with him on. I don't have a problem with the federal government investing in higher education. If they absolutely MUST spend money on something, it might as well be something they can profit from and get real production out of.
Even Ron said the other day that he doesn't oppose infrastructure spending, just not in the way it's being done in THIS case. If infrastructure spending can be ok, I think student loans ought to be considered as well.
As libertarian as I am, I agree with student loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people an education they otherwise may never have been able to afford, and they add skilled workers to the labor pool. They are not "hand-outs". They get paid back, PLUS interest. If anything were worth the government INVESTING money in, it's higher education.
Sound off. Who out of the conservatives here agrees with them, who disagrees, and WHY?
This is great!
I can't tell you how many conservatives I'm chatted to on message boards who've proclaimed the values of self sufficiency, pulling one's self up by one's own boot straps, and getting goverment "out of the way" of all areas of our lives except national defense and courts.
And yet many of them took taxpayer guaranteed and subsized student loans, and went to taxpayer funded public universities!
The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife!
As libertarian as I am, I agree with student loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people an education they otherwise may never have been able to afford, and they add skilled workers to the labor pool. They are not "hand-outs". They get paid back, PLUS interest. If anything were worth the government INVESTING money in, it's higher education.
Sound off. Who out of the conservatives here agrees with them, who disagrees, and WHY?
This is great!
I can't tell you how many conservatives I'm chatted to on message boards who've proclaimed the values of self sufficiency, pulling one's self up by one's own boot straps, and getting goverment "out of the way" of all areas of our lives except national defense and courts.
And yet many of them took taxpayer guaranteed and subsized student loans, and went to taxpayer funded public universities!
The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife!
Totally.
As libertarian as I am, I agree with student loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people an education they otherwise may never have been able to afford, and they add skilled workers to the labor pool. They are not "hand-outs". They get paid back, PLUS interest. If anything were worth the government INVESTING money in, it's higher education.
Sound off. Who out of the conservatives here agrees with them, who disagrees, and WHY?
This is great!
I can't tell you how many conservatives I'm chatted to on message boards who've proclaimed the values of self sufficiency, pulling one's self up by one's own boot straps, and getting goverment "out of the way" of all areas of our lives except national defense and courts.
And yet many of them took taxpayer guaranteed and subsized student loans, and went to taxpayer funded public universities!
The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife!
Too funny. I actually more agree with what DD said above, and yet I still think government subsidized loans for shelter are okay. Food, shelter, and clothing are the basic needs of life. Education when and if we can afford subsidizing it...and as far as I can tell, we can.
For the record, I've never received a government backed loan...for home or school or anything else. Not that there's anything wrong with it, I've just never needed it.
"You give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. You teach a man to fish, and he'll have food for a lifetime."
You can give people food, shelter, and clothing, and potentially get NOTHING in return for it besides entitled, lazy, selfish pricks. If you help someone get an education, you potentially get a more productive member of society.
Loaning someone money to get a real education is an investment in the country's future. Loaning someone money for a house just gives them a house. Giving them money for food just gives them food. What does the government get out of those two things besides a needy citizen and a vote?
I'm not quite sure how Wells Fargo, for instance, would be mandated to loan money to college students. Not all banks even offer student loans. If Wells Fargo decided tomorrow that they were going to exit the student loan business, I don't think there's anything stopping them from doing so.
The government isn't funding the loan, they're guaranteeing it. The banks are private, for-profit institutions.
without government loans, I wouldn't be able to get a loan from the bank without a cosigner. and the rates of these loans from banks are near 10 percent. how does anyone go to college with those kind of choices?
Oh boo hoo.. you don't easily get what you want... oh.. how will the world survive?
Though shit... again.. it is your choice and your responsibility
As libertarian as I am, I agree with student loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people an education they otherwise may never have been able to afford, and they add skilled workers to the labor pool. They are not "hand-outs". They get paid back, PLUS interest. If anything were worth the government INVESTING money in, it's higher education.
Sound off. Who out of the conservatives here agrees with them, who disagrees, and WHY?
I wonder what would happen if there were no government student loans? How many of the "billion" colleges would go under? No loans...no students... no money... no colleges.college might become affordable to more people. What a novel idea.
I wonder what would happen if there were no government student loans? How many of the "billion" colleges would go under? No loans...no students... no money... no colleges.
be fine with me. all they do now is fill empty heads with liberal propaganda.
As libertarian as I am, I agree with student loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people an education they otherwise may never have been able to afford, and they add skilled workers to the labor pool. They are not "hand-outs". They get paid back, PLUS interest. If anything were worth the government INVESTING money in, it's higher education.
Sound off. Who out of the conservatives here agrees with them, who disagrees, and WHY?
This is great!
I can't tell you how many conservatives I'm chatted to on message boards who've proclaimed the values of self sufficiency, pulling one's self up by one's own boot straps, and getting goverment "out of the way" of all areas of our lives except national defense and courts.
And yet many of them took taxpayer guaranteed and subsized student loans, and went to taxpayer funded public universities!
The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife!
Isn't it great though, that there doesn't have to be one set of standards that labels everyone? Or does there, in your world?
without government loans, I wouldn't be able to get a loan from the bank without a cosigner. and the rates of these loans from banks are near 10 percent. how does anyone go to college with those kind of choices?
Oh boo hoo.. you don't easily get what you want... oh.. how will the world survive?
Though shit... again.. it is your choice and your responsibility
Though shit? what the hell does that mean?
again, you have a problem with the government LENDING me money but no problem starting wars we will never be able to pay off.
As libertarian as I am, I agree with student loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people an education they otherwise may never have been able to afford, and they add skilled workers to the labor pool. They are not "hand-outs". They get paid back, PLUS interest. If anything were worth the government INVESTING money in, it's higher education.
Sound off. Who out of the conservatives here agrees with them, who disagrees, and WHY?
I wonder what would happen if there were no government student loans? How many of the "billion" colleges would go under? No loans...no students... no money... no colleges.
Oh boo hoo.. you don't easily get what you want... oh.. how will the world survive?
Though shit... again.. it is your choice and your responsibility
Though shit? what the hell does that mean?
again, you have a problem with the government LENDING me money but no problem starting wars we will never be able to pay off.
Again... look at the fucking Constitution, numbnuts.. look at what the govt is charged to do.. and what you assume it should do to make people feel good or take over for their own personal responsibility of what they want
fuck you diamond dickhead. where is the responsibility of the government? They blow a trillion dollars on an unnecessary war and it's fine with you because it's the military we're talking about.Oh boo hoo.. you don't easily get what you want... oh.. how will the world survive?
Though shit... again.. it is your choice and your responsibility
Though shit? what the hell does that mean?
again, you have a problem with the government LENDING me money but no problem starting wars we will never be able to pay off.
Again... look at the fucking Constitution, numbnuts.. look at what the govt is charged to do.. and what you assume it should do to make people feel good or take over for their own personal responsibility of what they want
wars are not always wrong, even if they started on false pretense.without government loans, i wouldn't be able to get a loan from the bank without a cosigner. And the rates of these loans from banks are near 10 percent. How does anyone go to college with those kind of choices?
oh boo hoo.. You don't easily get what you want... Oh.. How will the world survive?
Though shit... Again.. It is your choice and your responsibility
though shit? What the hell does that mean?
Again, you have a problem with the government lending me money but no problem starting wars we will never be able to pay off.
