Conservatives and Libertarians - Sound Off

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    As libertarian as I am, I agree with student loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people an education they otherwise may never have been able to afford, and they add skilled workers to the labor pool. They are not "hand-outs". They get paid back, PLUS interest. If anything were worth the government INVESTING money in, it's higher education.

    Sound off. Who out of the conservatives here agrees with them, who disagrees, and WHY?
     
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    Totally agree, Paulie. It would be the only federal grovernment involvement in education that I would sanction though.

    (Then, of course, Milton Friedman is my hero!) LOL
     
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    Librarians unite!
     
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    problem with libertarians is they are nonparticipants for the most part
     
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    You're just proving my point from the other thread. The majority of libertarians are only libertarian toward other people, but not toward themselves.

    I can change your quote to justify how I feel about government backed mortgates:

    I agree with government backed loans on their own merit. They generate revenue, and in fact, PROFIT. They serve to offer people a place to live that they otherwise may never have been able to afford, the provide workers with the ability to work simply by giving them the opportunity to enjoy a stable lifestyle. They are not government "hand-outs." They get paid back, plus interest. If anything were worth the government investing in, it is economic stability for its citizens.

    :)

    It may surprise you to know that no group of people from any political persuasion thinks people should be given hand-outs. The vast majority of us believe that people in need are going to overall use the so-called handout as a stop gap measure. Just because there is a percentage that scams the system isn't a reason to destroy the system since it works, overall.

    Just for fun, this may surprise you:

    Washington Times - Student loan mayhem

    And this:

    Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Personally... I am all for people getting loans to pay for their college..... but that is not the function of the government, to lend you the money for your personal want or need....

    Now... if they are insured like FDIC... ensuring that the lender will pay out as planned... and that the agreement is lived up to... all well and fine... but the government is not there to pay off the lender if some lazy ass kid or adult decides just not to pay back his or her loan.... now if that means loans of higher risk have higher interest rates, so be it... if it means lending practices are more strict, and banks lend less, so be it.... As the Rolling Stones said "you can't always get what you want"... maybe you'll have to pay for community college with a night job while you go to school during the day, until you work yourself into a scholarship or save up enough to pay for the larger college

    The government should also be out of lending you money for your house....
     
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    Rav I am well aware of Paul's position on student loans. Surprise surprise, I don't agree with him on something!

    The government will not pay for your entire education, either. I only got about 20% of what my tuition is per semester. The rest is coming out of my pocket.

    I really wish you would clarify what you mean when you say my opinions only apply to myself and other libertarians. I don't care what your ideology is. If you want to go to college, I don't have a problem with the government underwriting the loan. If you default, I don't expect you to EVER be eligible for any government help again, though. I admittedly don't know the policy there, as I don't plan on defaulting. As far as I'm concerned, it's the ONLY time they should be offering money to anyone, and you should be given ONE CHANCE to make good on the debt. If you screw up, you're blacklisted. Sorry about your luck.
     
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    The government makes a profit off the people using their tax dollars... Hmmmmm. Maybe if we made the government even bigger, they could make even more money. If we make our government big enough, the national debt would be payed-off in no time.

    I'm all for big government. Count me in!
     
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    But the FDIC is government. So even there, the government is stepping in and backstopping it. You can't say you agree with FDIC, but not agree with the government involving itself in student lending. The FDIC guarantees that you can deposit money with a PRIVATE BANK, but will publicly cover that bank's ass if they fuck up. So when you bank, you're endorsing government intervention automatically.
     

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