Conservative Policies vs. Pod Policies

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    It is eminently provable that Obama is a failure and, by extension, that Obama voters, the same. Intellectually.
    Conservative economic policy vs liberal economic policy….Texas vs. California.

    Which is the correct set of policies, as determined by results?
    Let's compare...and see who are the smarter voters....





    1. “Obama Policies Copy Moribund California, Not Texas

    2. Anyone who thinks that President Obama's economic policies will spur strong growth should consider U-Haul rates between California and Texas: Renting a 20-foot truck one-way from San Francisco to San Antonio, for example, will cost $1,693. But the U-Haul tab to go in the opposite direction is just $983.

    a. … this "U-Haul Index," the difference in these rental rates is the result of straightforward supply and demand…. far more people want to leave California for Texas than vice versa.

    3. "The American people and businesses are voting with their feet and their one-way truck rentals to escape California and its forced unionism, high taxes, and high unemployment rate for a better life in low-tax, business-friendly, right-to-work states like Texas," noted Perry, who is also a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

    a. Obama's economic policies are pushing the country to be more like the California people are leaving and less like the Texas they're flocking to.

    b. "Every dream program that the administration embraces — cap and trade, massive taxes on the rich, high-speed rail — is either in place or on the drawing boards" in California,… a substantial new tax on the "rich" … the state is regulation happy… per-capita spending in California has climbed 42% from 2000 to 2010,





    4. Last year, Texas recorded 3.3% state GDP growth, and the year before that it was 5.2%, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. California's growth was just 2% in 2011 and 1.7% in 2010.

    5. Since the recession ended in June 2009, Texas has created more than twice as many new jobs as California, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. As a result, while California's unemployment rate is an astonishingly high 10.2%, the jobless rate in Texas is 6.8%, well below the national average.

    6. Texans have also seen faster wage growth than Californians. Between 2008 and 2011, median hourly wages climbed 8% in Texas, but just 5.7% in California, BLS data show. And while per-capita personal income climbed 1.3% in Texas during that time, it fell by almost 1% in California, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.





    7. Despite its substantial government spending programs, California has the highest poverty rate in the nation, with 23.5% of its population counted as poor, according to a new Census Bureau measure of poverty, which tries to better account for taxes, government benefit programs, cost of living differences, and other factors. The poverty rate in Texas is 16.5%.

    8. Despite spending less on education, Texas students vastly outperform those in California schools, according to a study by McKinsey & Co. Not only do students do better overall on math and reading, but Texas does a far better job educating its Latino, black and poor students than California. As the study noted, "Texas outperforms California in terms of achievement despite similar demographics, lower GDP per capita, and lower per-pupil spending."

    9. According to Census data, California lost half a million people to other states between 2007 and 2010. Texas, on the other hand, gained 394,000.





    10. The public may have voted to give Obama a second term. But many people in California are voting with their feet, leaving the state that's already put in place policies Obama has promised to keep pushing for four more years.”
    Obama Policies Copy Moribund California Instead Of Texas - Investors.com




    Should one wonder what kind of dim-wits could have voted for those policies? Oh…right, or should I say “Left”….Pods. Not thinking individuals: Pod People.

    Yes indeed….the IQ of a Brussels Sprout.

    Raise you leaf, Pods.
     
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    It would be nice if there were some Political Party out there that would champion Conservative issues wouldn't it?

    Instead what we have is:

    Socialist (Democrats)
    Socialist Light (Republicans)

    All the while they keep moving that Overton Window farther to the Left. Which was the plan all along.

    Overton window - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Doc, I certainly have never referred to the Republican Party as an example of political perfection, but that is unrelated to the OP.



    The OP is squarely aimed at:

    a. Proving that conservative economic policy, compared with the results of liberal economic policy, is far superiorÂ…

    and

    b. with that data available to all, proving the evincive imbecility of the Obama voter.


    None seemingly, wish, or have the ability, to debate either.
    QED...
     
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    And we COULD prove that if there was a Political Party that stood for Conservative ideas and was in charge.

    All I see is this false Left/Right paradigm and the ILLUSION of choice.

    What am I missing here?
     
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    My fault? Yes...there are no conservative parties involved.
    Let me try to clarify.

    My allusion is to conservative FISCAL policies....those carried out in Texas....as opposed to the policies of California, reflections of the the beliefs of liberals.


    And, had the Pods...i.e,, Obama voters, elected the other candidate...policies would have been closer to those of Texas.


    While the alternative party may not be the one you or I would have designed....the difference in policies would have reflected a degree of magnitude change.
     
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    no need to blame the party. Most Republicans sign the pledge but the American people are pushing them to the left as they seek more and more welfare entitlements.
     
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    The schools.
    Rather than teach, they indoctrinate.


    "There are two reasons: No experience of evil and American education.

    The first generation of Cuban-Americans had escaped Communist evil. People who know evil are generally conservative. Leftism and liberalism -- no longer distinguishable -- are rooted in large measure in naivete and wishful thinking. The beliefs that people are basically good, and that evil regimes can almost always be negotiated with are two such examples.

    Also, when you escape a Communist regime, you treasure liberty and you understand that as government and state expand, liberty must contract.

    That is why Jews from the Soviet Union are the only non-Orthodox Jews who vote in the majority for Republicans. They, too, know evil, and they recognize the destructive appeal of a big, take-care-of-you, state.


    The other reason for the dramatic shift in the Cuban-American vote is American education.
    Most American elementary schools and high schools, and nearly all colleges and universities, teach everything that is significant from a liberal/left perspective.
    Multiculturalism has replaced E Pluribus Unum; the American past is villainous; the country is racist; morality is relative; and the left-wing cause of the day -- now global warming -- is taught as incontrovertible truth (ask your children if they have been shown Al Gore's global warming video, "An Inconvenient Truth," or if they have been taught both sides of the man-made-global-warming-leading-to-catastrophe hypothesis).

    American schools, especially universities, are left-wing seminaries. The only difference between your local college and a Christian seminary is that the latter are more honest. The Christian seminary announces its goal -- to graduate committed Christians. The universities deceive when they say they have no agenda other than to open minds. They may believe this deception but it is one nevertheless. Almost no university ever has a conservative speaker at its commencement exercises; nearly every professor in liberal arts departments is a Democrat (and a left-wing Democrat at that), and on the few occasions that conservatives do receive an invitation to speak at a college, they are likely to be continuously heckled, may well need body guards, or their invitation is rescinded, as Fordham University did to Ann Coulter last week."
    The Dennis Prager Show
     
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    After the war California was the magnet that drew citizens from all over the US. But now, not so much; people are leaving in droves, the kind of people you want to keep. Since 1990, the state has lost nearly 3.4 million residents through this migration. The Manhattan Institute recently did a study on the exodus from California, where people coming into the state come from and where people leaving the state are going to. Here's a snippet from the executive summaery:

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    The data show a pattern of movement over the past decade from California mainly to states in the western and southern U.S.: Texas, Nevada, and Arizona, in that order, are the top magnet states. Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Idaho, and Utah follow. Rounding out the top ten are two southern states: Georgia and South Carolina.

    A finer-grained regional analysis reveals that the main current of migration out of California in the past decade has flowed eastward across the Colorado River, reversing the storied passages of the Dust Bowl era. Southern California had about 55 percent of the state’s population in 2000 but accounted for about 65 percent of the net out-migration in the decade that followed. More than 70 percent of the state’s net migration to Texas came from California’s south.

    What has caused California’s transformation from a “pull in” to a “push out” state? The data have revealed several crucial drivers. One is chronic economic adversity (in most years, California unemployment is above the national average). Another is density: the Los Angeles and Orange County region now has a population density of 6,999.3 per square mile—well ahead of New York or Chicago. Dense coastal areas are a source of internal migration, as people seek more space in California’s interior, as well as migration to other states. A third factor is state and local governments’ constant fiscal instability, which sends at least two discouraging messages to businesses and individuals. One is that they cannot count on state and local governments to provide essential services—much less, tax breaks or other incentives. Second, chronically out-of-balance budgets can be seen as tax hikes waiting to happen.

    The data also reveal the motives that drive individuals and businesses to leave California. One of these, of course, is work. States with low unemployment rates, such as Texas, are drawing people from California, whose rate is above the national average. Taxation also appears to be a factor, especially as it contributes to the business climate and, in turn, jobs. Most of the destination states favored by Californians have lower taxes. States that have gained the most at California’s expense are rated as having better business climates. The data suggest that many cost drivers—taxes, regulations, the high price of housing and commercial real estate, costly electricity, union power, and high labor costs—are prompting businesses to locate outside California, thus helping to drive the exodus.

    Population change, along with the migration patterns that shape it, are important indicators of fiscal and political health. Migration choices reveal an important truth: some states understand how to get richer, while others seem to have lost the touch. California is a state in the latter group, but it can be put back on track. All it takes is the political will.

    Civic Report 71 | The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look
     
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    Wow. Polioticalchic pulls out another opinion piece from a right wing bat shit crazy con web site, and posts it as fact. Nothing new here. Just more of the same. And three more con tools join her. Group think at its best. Between the four, you have enough intelligence to equal that of the average human.
     
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    And Wiseacre, being another of the great con tools (great in his mind, so please don't let him know the truth) grabs a piece from another right wing bat shit crazy web site, and posts it as fact. Damn, there seems to be a pattern here among the con tools. They all seem to hate actual impartial study. WHAT A SURPRISE.
     

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