Conservative Bible

[Oddball]

What are some of your examples of liberalism in the Bible?

They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. Matthew 22:21

Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life. 1 Timothy 6:17-19

And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lordyour God. Leviticus 19:10

Yeah, but the Bible has been mis-translated by Anglo-Saxons!

Cuts both ways, Chumlee.

 

[presonorek]

the Bible has been mis-translated by Anglo-Saxons!

What makes you say that? The greatest minds in one of the greatest period of intellectualism gave us the King James Bible. I am confident of its accuracy. However, I have never nor will I ever hold an English speaking person to a non English Bible. The potential for dishonesty is too great. The Bible that conservatives like to hold is written in English. That is the one I encourage them to read. That way they can decide if they like it or not instead of assuming that they like it. Read it. You might hate it more than you think.

Why do you say that Anglo Saxons mis-translated the Bible?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

King James is okay. Pretty language.

Darby is more accurate.

 

[Oddball]

the Bible has been mis-translated by Anglo-Saxons!

What makes you say that? The greatest minds in one of the greatest period of intellectualism gave us the King James Bible. I am confident of its accuracy. However, I have never nor will I ever hold an English speaking person to a non English Bible. The potential for dishonesty is too great. The Bible that conservatives like to hold is written in English. That is the one I encourage them to read. That way they can decide if they like it or not instead of assuming that they like it. Read it. You might hate it more than you think.

Why do you say that Anglo Saxons mis-translated the Bible?

I say that because you've said that...Get the fuck away from me, commie scum.

 

[presonorek]

I say that because you've said that...Get the fuck away from me, commie scum.

I think I see what you are saying. They misrepresent it by pretending that it has the total opposite message. It was not mistranslated but I understand why you may think I said that. Thanks for bringing it up. Now. Do you hate communism as much as me? If so, vote no in this poll. I need as many people on my side as possible.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Giving Caesar what is Caesar's implied that what is Caesars isn't of much value anyway, compared to the wealth that God bestows on His children. The question was meant to trap Jesus. His answer did the opposite.

Charge them that are rich doesn't mean to send them a bill. Charge in that context means to impress upon the rich to be charitable and not to let their wealth go to their head. We are to instruct them to be giving... not help ourselves to their wealth.

Allowing grain to remain in the field was to let the poor glean something to eat. It was a charitable act that should be as much a conservative value as it is liberal. And it is. Republicans believe in helping the poor. They just take issue with living off of the government dole from cradle to grave. < That is a liberal construct not shared by conservatives.

 

[presonorek]

In this poll I would expect to vote yes. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing them as true Christian's if they ignore 23144/23145 of the Bible. That is very close to 100.00%.

The Bible does not tell us how to run a nation--but rather, how to run our personal lives.

Did you tear Leviticus and Deuteronomy out of your Bible? If so, why?

 

[presonorek]

Allowing grain to remain in the field was to let the poor glean something to eat. It was a charitable act

You make a great argument except for this. Leaving grain in the field was not an act of charity. It was a mandate.

 

[occupied]

the Bible has been mis-translated by Anglo-Saxons!

What makes you say that? The greatest minds in one of the greatest period of intellectualism gave us the King James Bible. I am confident of its accuracy. However, I have never nor will I ever hold an English speaking person to a non English Bible. The potential for dishonesty is too great. The Bible that conservatives like to hold is written in English. That is the one I encourage them to read. That way they can decide if they like it or not instead of assuming that they like it. Read it. You might hate it more than you think.

Why do you say that Anglo Saxons mis-translated the Bible?

Accuracy of translations to sources are pretty good we just no longer have much in common with the culture that originated the scriptures.

 

[occupied]

Giving Caesar what is Caesar's implied that what is Caesars isn't of much value anyway, compared to the wealth that God bestows on His children. The question was meant to trap Jesus. His answer did the opposite.

Charge them that are rich doesn't mean to send them a bill. Charge in that context means to impress upon the rich to be charitable and not to let their wealth go to their head. We are to instruct them to be giving... not help ourselves to their wealth.

Allowing grain to remain in the field was to let the poor glean something to eat. It was a charitable act that should be as much a conservative value as it is liberal. And it is. Republicans believe in helping the poor. They just take issue with living off of the government dole from cradle to grave. < That is a liberal construct not shared by conservatives.

You obviously value things like charity, mercy, generosity, humility and forgiveness in some context but despise these qualities in government. How is it possible to have two separate value systems?

 

[The Irish Ram]

What are some of your examples of liberalism in the Bible?

They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. Matthew 22:21

Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life. 1 Timothy 6:17-19

And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lordyour God. Leviticus 19:10

Yeah, but the Bible has been mis-translated by Anglo-Saxons!



Cuts both ways, Chumlee.

That was an argument up until the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Turns out you can take our Bible and the Essenes versions < from 150 BC to 70 AD and they say the same thing. No one has changed or distorted it. But if they had then they would have been renown for their incredible ability to predict the future. He would have been celebrated then and now.

Instead, we know by the verses in the Bible that:

For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative,

You can't even tell me the score of the Super Bowl in a few weeks....

 

[80zephyr]

I love the part of the bible where it says "God helps those that help themselves". With liberals they want Government to help them because they are too stupid to use God's given gifts..

The bible also commands you to help those who are poor or sick and be welcoming of strangers.

I do help those, but I sure dont want some fucked up government taking from me and giving it to people who dont belong here, or sit on their ass all day acting like petulant spoiled little girls.

I'm seriously not the kind that ridicules people for their faith, I wish I had some myself, but I do not understand right-wing Christianity. It is so far away from what I grew up with it is almost unrecognizable.

it isnt right wing Christianity anymore, it has been infiltrated by those who worship lucifer and continues his work by destroying the foundations of civilizations in the hope of 1 supreme ruler(not God) who with the government can Rule us as peons, because in their eyes we are too stupid to know better...

Right-wing Christians get together every Sunday to talk about what Jesus can give them in their life and afterlife and then symbolically nail him to the cross all over again, presumably to again silence him. They celebrate his death and pay scant attention to what he did in his earthly life. Theirs is a guilt-free religion full of escape clauses in the plain and simple commandments of Jesus Christ.

What did he do in his early life? Every person that Jesus saved FIRST had to promise to sin no more. The only time he hung with sinners is when they talked about changing their ways.
Never once did he say "hey, do what you want, I'll still forgive you"

Mark

 

[The Irish Ram]

Giving Caesar what is Caesar's implied that what is Caesars isn't of much value anyway, compared to the wealth that God bestows on His children. The question was meant to trap Jesus. His answer did the opposite.

Charge them that are rich doesn't mean to send them a bill. Charge in that context means to impress upon the rich to be charitable and not to let their wealth go to their head. We are to instruct them to be giving... not help ourselves to their wealth.

Allowing grain to remain in the field was to let the poor glean something to eat. It was a charitable act that should be as much a conservative value as it is liberal. And it is. Republicans believe in helping the poor. They just take issue with living off of the government dole from cradle to grave. < That is a liberal construct not shared by conservatives.

You obviously value things like charity, mercy, generosity, humility and forgiveness in some context but despise these qualities in government. How is it possible to have two separate value systems?

I don't despise those qualities in government at all. I just don't believe they are exclusive to Democrats. We are a giving country regardless of political affiliation.
Having said that, borrowing money at really high interest rate and then handing it out to every nation on earth isn't charity. It is stupidity.

 

[Penelope]

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

To my knowledge this is the only verse of the Bible ever quoted by conservatives.

There are 17 other verses in Chapter 3 of Thessalonians. Are they relevant?

There are 23,144 other verses in the Bible. Are they relevant?

How can people continue to pretend that the Bible doesn't promote left wing principles? The Bible is way more consistent with liberal political thought than with conservative politic thought. Does anybody get it?

I love the part of the bible where it says "God helps those that help themselves". With liberals they want Government to help them because they are too stupid to use God's given gifts..

The bible also commands you to help those who are poor or sick and be welcoming of strangers.

I do help those, but I sure dont want some fucked up government taking from me and giving it to people who dont belong here, or sit on their ass all day acting like petulant spoiled little girls.

I'm seriously not the kind that ridicules people for their faith, I wish I had some myself, but I do not understand right-wing Christianity. It is so far away from what I grew up with it is almost unrecognizable.

it isnt right wing Christianity anymore, it has been infiltrated by those who worship lucifer and continues his work by destroying the foundations of civilizations in the hope of 1 supreme ruler(not God) who with the government can Rule us as peons, because in their eyes we are too stupid to know better...

You must mean Trump.

 

[ding]

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

To my knowledge this is the only verse of the Bible ever quoted by conservatives.

There are 17 other verses in Chapter 3 of Thessalonians. Are they relevant?

There are 23,144 other verses in the Bible. Are they relevant?

How can people continue to pretend that the Bible doesn't promote left wing principles? The Bible is way more consistent with liberal political thought than with conservative politic thought. Does anybody get it?

How can people continue to pretend that the Bible doesn't promote left wing principles? Probably because it doesn't.

Maybe you are confusing the promotion of successful behaviors of charity and subsidiarity for socialism.

It is good business to be just, amirite?

Do the right thing, the right way for the right reason and you can't go wrong in life. We are supposed to be stewards.



2424 A theory that makes profit the exclusive norm and ultimate end of economic activity is morally unacceptable. The disordered desire for money cannot but produce perverse effects. It is one of the causes of the many conflicts which disturb the social order.204

A system that "subordinates the basic rights of individuals and of groups to the collective organization of production" is contrary to human dignity.205 Every practice that reduces persons to nothing more than a means of profit enslaves man, leads to idolizing money, and contributes to the spread of atheism. "You cannot serve God and mammon."206

2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.

 

[sealybobo]

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Don’t you think Jesus would be proud that we as a society provide foodstamps to people who don’t have money?

But to you giving any poor person tax money is stealing from you?

I don’t think a real Christian would feel that way.

 

[ding]

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Don’t you think Jesus would be proud that we as a society provide foodstamps to people who don’t have money?

But to you giving any poor person tax money is stealing from you?

I don’t think a real Christian would feel that way.

Real Christians embrace the principle of subsidiarity. Not the soul sucking practice of throwing money over a fence.



Even FDR understood the consequences of YOUR solution to the problem.

"...The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fibre. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit..." FDR

Franklin D. Roosevelt - Wikiquote

 

[presonorek]

You guys are all making great arguments. I agree with all of you. I am a conservative too.

I'm not saying that being conservative is bad. I am saying that the Bible promotes liberal principles. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and saying that you are obligated to like the Bible. Most conservatives passionately hate the Bible because of its promotion of communist/left wing ideologies. That's why I voted no in this poll.

 

[presonorek]

For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative,

What is this?

 

[ding]

You guys are all making great arguments. I agree with all of you. I am a conservative too.

I'm not saying that being conservative is bad. I am saying that the Bible promotes liberal principles. Nobody is holding a gun to your hate and saying that you are obligated to like the Bible. Most conservatives passionately hate the Bible because of its promotion of communist/left wing ideologies. That's why I voted no in this poll.

I don’t believe it does.

What I believe it says is the more you give the more you receive. That successful behaviors naturally lead to success.