Congress wasn't in recess? Congress was in session?

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Was Congress in Session? Or Was Congress in Recess?

  1. Congress Was in Session

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  2. Congress Was in Recess

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  1. Mustang
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    Congress was in session when President Obama made his appointed of Richard Cordray to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Really?

    Let's test that 'theory,' shall we?

    Was Congress conducting any official business like considering legislation? No!

    Were there any committee meetings? No!

    Now, if Congress really had been in session, don't you think that the Republican majority in the House of Representatives would have passed a resolution by now, condemning President Obama's actions?

    But there hasn't been any vote on that resolution. Neither has there been a vote on any measure at all.

    In fact, there couldn't be any votes because neither the Senate or the House had a quorum.

    So, if House and Senate members are all gone except for one or two members, and there's no official legislative business being conducted, and there can't even be a vote in either chamber because there's no quorum, how can the House and Senate be in session?

    Saying that either the House or the Senate is in session under these circumstances is like a restaurant owner saying that his establishment is open for business even though his doors are locked and there are no employees there and justifying that statement just because the neon sign that blinks "OPEN" is on and visible from the street.

    It's nonsensical and doesn't pass anyone's idea of what constitutes common sense.

    The Republicans absolutely should take this to court. My sense is that the PR fiasco will hurt them long before any ruling is made.
     
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    Ed Meese vindicated, Obama stunned...
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    FLASHBACK--Ed Meese: Obama's Recess Appointments 'Breathtaking Violation' of Constitution
    January 24, 2012 - Former Attorney General Ed Meese says the U.S. House of Representatives should pass a resolution condemning President Barack Obama for acting unconstitutionally in appointing a director to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and three members to the National Labor Relations Board without Senate confirmation and when Congress was still in session.
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    White House Calls NLRB Ruling ‘Unprecedented’
    January 25, 2013 – The White House strongly disagreed with a federal appeals court ruling against the recess appointment of members of the National Labor Relations Board at a time when Congress was not in recess.
     
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    Solution, do away with recess appointments except in an emergency for certain positions. Not just to circumvent the Constitution. As I said before I don't see why anyone would think Obama knows anything about the Constitution.
     
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    The congress, according to the courts, is only not in session when it is not convened for those months of the year before and after a new congress is called to session. Since the congressional session did not change after the holiday they were still in session. The same congressional session was continued after the holiday. Yes, it was in session.
    As the court stated - if a day or a few days off means the the congress was not in session then that would extend to Sundays and even lunch breaks.
    The president overstepped his power and got slapped for it. The sad part is that any rulings by the NTSB are null and void - a lot of tax-payers dollars go down the drain. (including the pro-union rulings that were put in place)
     
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    This constitutional provision was intended to provide for the orderly functioning of the Executive Branch during months-long recess periods when people had to travel by horseback to their districts, not 3 or 4 days while congressional chambers were temporarily closed.
     
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    can the minority party extend a legislative session ?
     
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    More on the NLRB appointee court decision...
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    NLRB Ruling Expected to Impact Consumer Bureau Appointee, Former White House Counsel Says
    January 31, 2013 – Last week’s court decision finding the recess appointments of three National Labor Relations Board members unconstitutional could play a major role in a case challenging the constitutionality of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and its recess-appointed director Richard Cordray.
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    Obama’s NLRB Argument: ‘Trying to Have It Both Ways,’ Says Law Professor
    January 30, 2013 – President Obama was “trying to have it both ways” when he chose to recess-appoint three members of the National Labor Relations Board on Jan. 4, 2012, says a constitutional law professor.
     
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    Can't tell from watchin' it on CSPAN... The floor looked as empty as ever, but I kept seein' reruns on the news about back when some congressman said something he thought was gonna happen after the vote tomorrow but it was taped twelve weeks ago when the guy they was quotin' and bashin' was involved in somethin' else and they're doin' a story about his ass now.

    It's like every time I see a file clip of Andy Madoff jostling with the news hounds I think maybe they hadn't put his ass in jail yet. So, was he in jail last week? I dunno!

    Was Congress in session? At this particular time, what difference does it make?...but we need to find out?

    ...don't we Hillary?
     
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    Let me attempt to set you people straight....congress was in session.

    When congress is in session, it is from a date in time to a date in time. At any time between those times, congressmen are subject to being called to the floor. When congress is not in session, congressmen are on vacation and the houses are empty.

    When the houses are empty except for two warm bodies while congress is in session, it may mean that a filibuster is in progress and all else have left for the night.

    Just because congress was in session does not mean that there couldn't have been absolutely NOTHING getting accomplished when the houses were empty.

    The correct answer to the poll is to the affirmative.
     
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