CDZ Congress Says, Let the Mentally Ill Buy Guns

[Meane]

You just said that it is!

no I didn't

I said an UNJUSTIFIABLE killing is called murder
a justifiable killing is not murder

Homicide. The statistics... Still waiting.

yeah and? I have no obligation to look up statistics for you

We already know how many murders there are every year

Then your argument a thousand posts ago was invalid.. and now you say, I don't have to prove it. Well no, but you sure cantclaim to know the result.

No you think it's invalid

a gun is used 1.5 million times a year by civilians to prevent a crime

there are less than 300 justifiable killing in self defense

that means a gun is used 1,499,700 times in self defense where no one is killed

No it doesn't because there are still the unjustifiable killings. Unless you claim that when used 1,499,700 times it is possible no one died. And the others were right to kill.

 

[Meane]

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,”

Or IOW a gun is the most effective tool for self defense

Effective in what sense?

 

[Skull Pilot]

no I didn't

I said an UNJUSTIFIABLE killing is called murder
a justifiable killing is not murder

Homicide. The statistics... Still waiting.

yeah and? I have no obligation to look up statistics for you

We already know how many murders there are every year

Then your argument a thousand posts ago was invalid.. and now you say, I don't have to prove it. Well no, but you sure cantclaim to know the result.

No you think it's invalid

a gun is used 1.5 million times a year by civilians to prevent a crime

there are less than 300 justifiable killing in self defense

that means a gun is used 1,499,700 times in self defense where no one is killed

No it doesn't because there are still the unjustifiable killings. Unless you claim that when used 1,499,700 times it is possible no one died. And the others were right to kill.

so you think you can stop ALL killings by telling law abiding people they can't carry a gun for self defense?

and I didn't say "it's possible no one died" I said that there are less than 300 justifiable killings a year that means actually killing in self defense all the other times a gun was determined to have been used in self defense no one was killed

 

[Skull Pilot]

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,”

Or IOW a gun is the most effective tool for self defense

Effective in what sense?

my god can you not read?

consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,”

 

[Meane]

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,”

Or IOW a gun is the most effective tool for self defense

Effective in what sense?

my god can you not read?

consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,”

First of all, injury rate is not what I was looking for but death rates. Second of all, not numbers. Consistently leaves a bit room for guessing.

 

[Meane]

Homicide. The statistics... Still waiting.

yeah and? I have no obligation to look up statistics for you

We already know how many murders there are every year

Then your argument a thousand posts ago was invalid.. and now you say, I don't have to prove it. Well no, but you sure cantclaim to know the result.

No you think it's invalid

a gun is used 1.5 million times a year by civilians to prevent a crime

there are less than 300 justifiable killing in self defense

that means a gun is used 1,499,700 times in self defense where no one is killed

No it doesn't because there are still the unjustifiable killings. Unless you claim that when used 1,499,700 times it is possible no one died. And the others were right to kill.

so you think you can stop ALL killings by telling law abiding people they can't carry a gun for self defense?

and I didn't say "it's possible no one died" I said that there are less than 300 justifiable killings a year that means actually killing in self defense all the other times a gun was determined to have been used in self defense no one was killed

If one overrated the danger and kills another it is neither justifiable nor does it leave the dead merely injured.

 

[Skull Pilot]

yeah and? I have no obligation to look up statistics for you

We already know how many murders there are every year

Then your argument a thousand posts ago was invalid.. and now you say, I don't have to prove it. Well no, but you sure cantclaim to know the result.

No you think it's invalid

a gun is used 1.5 million times a year by civilians to prevent a crime

there are less than 300 justifiable killing in self defense

that means a gun is used 1,499,700 times in self defense where no one is killed

No it doesn't because there are still the unjustifiable killings. Unless you claim that when used 1,499,700 times it is possible no one died. And the others were right to kill.

so you think you can stop ALL killings by telling law abiding people they can't carry a gun for self defense?

and I didn't say "it's possible no one died" I said that there are less than 300 justifiable killings a year that means actually killing in self defense all the other times a gun was determined to have been used in self defense no one was killed

If one overrated the danger and kills another it is neither justifiable nor does it leave the dead merely injured.

and that would come out in the investigation.

if you use a gun in self defense you have to prove it was self defense. If you fail to prove that then it is called murder or manslaughter and you get sentenced

You really need to familiarize yourself with the law as it pertains to self defense

 

[Meane]

Then your argument a thousand posts ago was invalid.. and now you say, I don't have to prove it. Well no, but you sure cantclaim to know the result.

No you think it's invalid

a gun is used 1.5 million times a year by civilians to prevent a crime

there are less than 300 justifiable killing in self defense

that means a gun is used 1,499,700 times in self defense where no one is killed

No it doesn't because there are still the unjustifiable killings. Unless you claim that when used 1,499,700 times it is possible no one died. And the others were right to kill.

so you think you can stop ALL killings by telling law abiding people they can't carry a gun for self defense?

and I didn't say "it's possible no one died" I said that there are less than 300 justifiable killings a year that means actually killing in self defense all the other times a gun was determined to have been used in self defense no one was killed

If one overrated the danger and kills another it is neither justifiable nor does it leave the dead merely injured.

and that would come out in the investigation.

if you use a gun in self defense you have to prove it was self defense. If you fail to prove that then it is called murder or manslaughter and you get sentenced

You really need to familiarize yourself with the law as it pertains to self defense

=the amount of people killed unnecessarily.

 

[Auld Phart]

Give it up, Skull Pilot ,

meane would rather you get killed than the person with the gun in your face

 

[Skull Pilot]

No you think it's invalid

a gun is used 1.5 million times a year by civilians to prevent a crime

there are less than 300 justifiable killing in self defense

that means a gun is used 1,499,700 times in self defense where no one is killed

No it doesn't because there are still the unjustifiable killings. Unless you claim that when used 1,499,700 times it is possible no one died. And the others were right to kill.

so you think you can stop ALL killings by telling law abiding people they can't carry a gun for self defense?

and I didn't say "it's possible no one died" I said that there are less than 300 justifiable killings a year that means actually killing in self defense all the other times a gun was determined to have been used in self defense no one was killed

If one overrated the danger and kills another it is neither justifiable nor does it leave the dead merely injured.

and that would come out in the investigation.

if you use a gun in self defense you have to prove it was self defense. If you fail to prove that then it is called murder or manslaughter and you get sentenced

You really need to familiarize yourself with the law as it pertains to self defense

=the amount of people killed unnecessarily.

so you basically don't think killing another person in self defense is ever justified

 

[Meane]

No it doesn't because there are still the unjustifiable killings. Unless you claim that when used 1,499,700 times it is possible no one died. And the others were right to kill.

so you think you can stop ALL killings by telling law abiding people they can't carry a gun for self defense?

and I didn't say "it's possible no one died" I said that there are less than 300 justifiable killings a year that means actually killing in self defense all the other times a gun was determined to have been used in self defense no one was killed

If one overrated the danger and kills another it is neither justifiable nor does it leave the dead merely injured.

and that would come out in the investigation.

if you use a gun in self defense you have to prove it was self defense. If you fail to prove that then it is called murder or manslaughter and you get sentenced

You really need to familiarize yourself with the law as it pertains to self defense

=the amount of people killed unnecessarily.

so you basically don't think killing another person in self defense is ever justified

As I've alread said, only if it is necessary.

 

[Skull Pilot]

so you think you can stop ALL killings by telling law abiding people they can't carry a gun for self defense?

and I didn't say "it's possible no one died" I said that there are less than 300 justifiable killings a year that means actually killing in self defense all the other times a gun was determined to have been used in self defense no one was killed

If one overrated the danger and kills another it is neither justifiable nor does it leave the dead merely injured.

and that would come out in the investigation.

if you use a gun in self defense you have to prove it was self defense. If you fail to prove that then it is called murder or manslaughter and you get sentenced

You really need to familiarize yourself with the law as it pertains to self defense

=the amount of people killed unnecessarily.

so you basically don't think killing another person in self defense is ever justified

As I've alread said, only if it is necessary.

and you never think it's necessary

 

[Meane]

If one overrated the danger and kills another it is neither justifiable nor does it leave the dead merely injured.

and that would come out in the investigation.

if you use a gun in self defense you have to prove it was self defense. If you fail to prove that then it is called murder or manslaughter and you get sentenced

You really need to familiarize yourself with the law as it pertains to self defense

=the amount of people killed unnecessarily.

so you basically don't think killing another person in self defense is ever justified

As I've alread said, only if it is necessary.

and you never think it's necessary

Well thought through...

If you're about to be killed of sevey injured. But this cannot be a mere view point. It must be a fact.

 

[Skull Pilot]

and that would come out in the investigation.

if you use a gun in self defense you have to prove it was self defense. If you fail to prove that then it is called murder or manslaughter and you get sentenced

You really need to familiarize yourself with the law as it pertains to self defense

=the amount of people killed unnecessarily.

so you basically don't think killing another person in self defense is ever justified

As I've alread said, only if it is necessary.

and you never think it's necessary

Well thought through...

If you're about to be killed of sevey injured. But this cannot be a mere view point. It must be a fact.

how can a woman prove a man was going to beat her enough to severely injure or kill her before she pulls the trigger?

all she needs is the reasonable fear that she will be severely injured or killed

as I said you need to familiarize yourself with the law as it pertains to self defense