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The valve system currently directing the rivers of cash flow also known as 'The US Economy' has been carefully constructed over the last 80 years by those who best survived the last time the wheels fell off in the 1930's.

The political parties involved in the process were and are merely tools.
 
Agree Joe but all politicians are as bad as the welfare queens they are all getting there too. We can also toss big corps in the mix as well. Why the hell should I help a billionaire build a staduim for there business that I can not even affoard to take my familiy to see.

Or why should the current president be able to gift 48000 of income to his daughters tax free. While one who make that much pays taxes on it.
 
I am just having a tough time trying to figure out why and how are country has gotten so messed up. I know several people that get goverment handouts and are more then capable of supporting themselves. Then you have those of us who would never do such a thing but are punished and support them who sit on the couch and eat bon bons. Yet the rich have every tax loop hole in the book to really not contribute.

I seemingly hate all politicians equally and if Mcain would have been elected we would still be the same place we are now kind of, we would have moved from Iraq to Iran under him. Obama still has time to finish his tour of the middle east. I expect as his election chances start to slip will be about the time we roll in there.

And I assure you I am not the 47% or never have been.

How many people like this exist in America? Got a number? How many tax dollars are spent on supporting them? Got any numbers?

And.....the word is "than", not "then".
 
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Well are system is truly broken and all I see is people that care that are fighting with each other instead of actually attempting to address the problems.

I disagree. The system isn't broken. The people are.
 
Lone the goverment does not have a number how the heck can I ?
 
No Star I was not working or paying taxes until I was 13 years old. But my household that I was raised in was.
 
Sorry not really sure how to qoute. I was agreeing with the people broken, along with our tax code.
 
I have now been reading political forums for about 4 years, this will be my first post. I am trying to figure out how there can be such a divide between R's and D's. Anyone with any ability to think should have figured out by now 90% of them are not only the same but are really criminals.

I dont blame either party they are seemingly both the same and all should be held acountable. I mean FFS we will soon have unmaned drones flying over head to keep tabs on us in this so called free society. Any one of us can now get labeled as a terrorist and held without trial. Rest assured though even though are goverment has this ability now with the NDAA our president has insured us he will not excersise it. Why are we not fighting against tyranny all over the world but at home, I have to ask why.

We have FEMA camps not only going up all over the states but they are now staffed, yet are country is broke and we can not really get a answer as to why. Our police forces are starting to millitarize (should this not scare the fuck out of us?).

Are you a crazy person?


I read post after post after post with you clowns ripping on each other and each others party. Why the f*ck can we not focus on getting representatives that actually look out for we the people. Congressmen and senators serve a term and can retire with a full pension and full medical benefits WTF. They had to pass legislation to not insider trade where me and you would go to prison.

I am not against or out to get poor people but I make fairly good money support 2 households since I have children and a split home, yet I pay 40% in total taxes. well 47% of population does not only not pay but get money back they never put in to the system. I stuggle to pay my bills and live paycheck to paycheck. Yet the Obama's tuck away 48,000 dollars for there kids fucking tax free while I stuggle to fill up my tank. We have a administration that is trying to get the rich to pay more what about the poor ? Should everyone not have a little skin in the game ? We have over 71,000 pages of tax code so the rich dont have to pay for this or that. This country was founded by a great group of people however it was also founded by a bunch of wealthy people who decided they did not want to pay taxes anymore !!! Well guess what nothing has fucking changed in the last 200 years the rich still write of this write of that get paid with capital gains. While us smucks sit here and fight about which party screwed us !!

They all screwed us

*rant off*

How do you get money back that youy never put in the system?

Yes. I think you are a crazy person.

Refundable tax credits are how you get money back that you never put into the system. It is simply a way to take money from one person and give it to another. Wealth redistribution in its simplest form.
 
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Sorry not really sure how to qoute. I was agreeing with the people broken, along with our tax code.

When you are writing a post, look at the icons above. One icon is of a quote balloon. You can quote people in those. You can also just click reply to a post and it will automatically put the post you are responding to in quotes.

BTW Welcome to posting.
 
Thanks. My reponse is post # 26 Lone.

Here it is again.

Lone the goverment does not have a number how the heck can I ?
 
I have now been reading political forums for about 4 years, this will be my first post. I am trying to figure out how there can be such a divide between R's and D's. Anyone with any ability to think should have figured out by now 90% of them are not only the same but are really criminals.

I dont blame either party they are seemingly both the same and all should be held acountable. I mean FFS we will soon have unmaned drones flying over head to keep tabs on us in this so called free society. Any one of us can now get labeled as a terrorist and held without trial. Rest assured though even though are goverment has this ability now with the NDAA our president has insured us he will not excersise it. Why are we not fighting against tyranny all over the world but at home, I have to ask why.

We have FEMA camps not only going up all over the states but they are now staffed, yet are country is broke and we can not really get a answer as to why. Our police forces are starting to millitarize (should this not scare the fuck out of us?).

Are you a crazy person?


I read post after post after post with you clowns ripping on each other and each others party. Why the f*ck can we not focus on getting representatives that actually look out for we the people. Congressmen and senators serve a term and can retire with a full pension and full medical benefits WTF. They had to pass legislation to not insider trade where me and you would go to prison.

I am not against or out to get poor people but I make fairly good money support 2 households since I have children and a split home, yet I pay 40% in total taxes. well 47% of population does not only not pay but get money back they never put in to the system. I stuggle to pay my bills and live paycheck to paycheck. Yet the Obama's tuck away 48,000 dollars for there kids fucking tax free while I stuggle to fill up my tank. We have a administration that is trying to get the rich to pay more what about the poor ? Should everyone not have a little skin in the game ? We have over 71,000 pages of tax code so the rich dont have to pay for this or that. This country was founded by a great group of people however it was also founded by a bunch of wealthy people who decided they did not want to pay taxes anymore !!! Well guess what nothing has fucking changed in the last 200 years the rich still write of this write of that get paid with capital gains. While us smucks sit here and fight about which party screwed us !!

They all screwed us

*rant off*

How do you get money back that youy never put in the system?

Yes. I think you are a crazy person.

Refundable tax credits are how you get money back that you never put into the system. It is simply a way to take money from one person and give it to another. Wealth redistribution in it's simplest form.

If you never put money in you cannot get it BACK!!!!! Are all of you unable to grasp that concept.
 
No Star I was not working or paying taxes until I was 13 years old. But my household that I was raised in was.

So that means you were part of the 47% for 13 years. Well 13 years old because I doubt you made 35,000 a year at age 14. Furthermore ask your parents how much they make if they each make less then 35,000 then they are part of the 47%
 
If you never put money in you cannot get it BACK!!!!! Are all of you unable to grasp that concept
Lone you are confused and have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe I am missing what you are trying to say but I know a few people that not only get everything back they put in the system but they get more.
 
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So Star accoarding to your logic I am a dead beat for not paying taxes until I worked and part of the 47% ? Are you for real ?
 

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