Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs – Thank You Democrats

[sfcalifornia]

thank you President Obama...America loves you. Healthcare Insurance reform was needed decades ago

Hell yeah it was.

 

[EriktheRed]

Maobamacare is doing exactly what it was intended to do, make employer based health insurance untenable and force everyone into a single payer system. Have you noticed, we no longer discuss insurance, it's all about care now.

Good.

 

[Doc91678]

Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs – Thank You Democrats (Video)​

by Jim Hoft
January 19, 2013


You thought the last four year were disastrous?
Wait until Obamacare hits. It’s already forcing companies to cut jobs and hours.


It’s now clear that Obamacare is already forcing businesses to cut employees and employee hours in order to comply to the law.

Thank you Democrats.
The National Review ( Obamacare?s Job-Killer - Jillian Kay Melchior - National Review Online )has more on Obamacare’s job-killing mandate.


American manufacturers are already struggling to recover, never mind expand. In that context, the Obama health law’s employer mandate proves especially counterproductive.

The Census Bureau doesn’t calculate how many manufacturing firms are near the 50-employee threshold. But its numbers do show that the majority of them are small enough that the employer mandate may be a significant problem. Of America’s total 258,662 manufacturing companies, 197,701 had fewer than 20 employees in 2010, around the time when hiring growth picked up. Another 46,005 had between 20 and 99 employees.

And it doesn’t matter that most manufacturers already provide health care: The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) estimates that 97 percent of its members already do so. Employers’ plans must cover at least 60 percent of employees’ average health expenses, and workers can’t contribute more than 9.5 percent of their family income, or the fees kick in anyway. That $2,000-per-employee penalty falls on top of the stiff taxes, trade barriers, and environmental limitations that manufacturers already have to contend with.


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Read more:
Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs ? Thank You Democrats (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Find a new mantra. Obamacare isn't going away, no matter how many wet dreams you Nutter's have about it. You made your case against it in November and the American People decided to keep it.

Okay Oldtimr. No one is is having wetdreams about the coming debacle of Obamacare. What the article is stating is simply that the middleclass will be destroyed in America. If it hasn't already happened.

 

[Sarah G]

thank you President Obama...America loves you. Healthcare Insurance reform was needed decades ago

You're sooo right.

 

[Sarah G]

Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs – Thank You Democrats (Video)​

by Jim Hoft
January 19, 2013


You thought the last four year were disastrous?
Wait until Obamacare hits. It’s already forcing companies to cut jobs and hours.


It’s now clear that Obamacare is already forcing businesses to cut employees and employee hours in order to comply to the law.

Thank you Democrats.
The National Review ( Obamacare?s Job-Killer - Jillian Kay Melchior - National Review Online )has more on Obamacare’s job-killing mandate.


American manufacturers are already struggling to recover, never mind expand. In that context, the Obama health law’s employer mandate proves especially counterproductive.

The Census Bureau doesn’t calculate how many manufacturing firms are near the 50-employee threshold. But its numbers do show that the majority of them are small enough that the employer mandate may be a significant problem. Of America’s total 258,662 manufacturing companies, 197,701 had fewer than 20 employees in 2010, around the time when hiring growth picked up. Another 46,005 had between 20 and 99 employees.

And it doesn’t matter that most manufacturers already provide health care: The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) estimates that 97 percent of its members already do so. Employers’ plans must cover at least 60 percent of employees’ average health expenses, and workers can’t contribute more than 9.5 percent of their family income, or the fees kick in anyway. That $2,000-per-employee penalty falls on top of the stiff taxes, trade barriers, and environmental limitations that manufacturers already have to contend with.


[Excerpt]

Read more:
Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs ? Thank You Democrats (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Find a new mantra. Obamacare isn't going away, no matter how many wet dreams you Nutter's have about it. You made your case against it in November and the American People decided to keep it.

Okay Oldtimr. No one is is having wetdreams about the coming debacle of Obamacare. What the article is stating is simply that the middleclass will be destroyed in America. If it hasn't already happened.

Of course you are.

 

[Oldguy]

Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs – Thank You Democrats (Video)​

by Jim Hoft
January 19, 2013


You thought the last four year were disastrous?
Wait until Obamacare hits. It’s already forcing companies to cut jobs and hours.


It’s now clear that Obamacare is already forcing businesses to cut employees and employee hours in order to comply to the law.

Thank you Democrats.
The National Review ( Obamacare?s Job-Killer - Jillian Kay Melchior - National Review Online )has more on Obamacare’s job-killing mandate.


American manufacturers are already struggling to recover, never mind expand. In that context, the Obama health law’s employer mandate proves especially counterproductive.

The Census Bureau doesn’t calculate how many manufacturing firms are near the 50-employee threshold. But its numbers do show that the majority of them are small enough that the employer mandate may be a significant problem. Of America’s total 258,662 manufacturing companies, 197,701 had fewer than 20 employees in 2010, around the time when hiring growth picked up. Another 46,005 had between 20 and 99 employees.

And it doesn’t matter that most manufacturers already provide health care: The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) estimates that 97 percent of its members already do so. Employers’ plans must cover at least 60 percent of employees’ average health expenses, and workers can’t contribute more than 9.5 percent of their family income, or the fees kick in anyway. That $2,000-per-employee penalty falls on top of the stiff taxes, trade barriers, and environmental limitations that manufacturers already have to contend with.


[Excerpt]

Read more:
Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs ? Thank You Democrats (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Find a new mantra. Obamacare isn't going away, no matter how many wet dreams you Nutter's have about it. You made your case against it in November and the American People decided to keep it.

Okay Oldtimr. No one is is having wetdreams about the coming debacle of Obamacare. What the article is stating is simply that the middleclass will be destroyed in America. If it hasn't already happened.

The middle class was destroyed by nearly 30 years of trickle-down economics and GOP union busting long before Obamacare came along.

 

[FJO]

Find a new mantra. Obamacare isn't going away, no matter how many wet dreams you Nutter's have about it. You made your case against it in November and the American People decided to keep it.

Okay Oldtimr. No one is is having wetdreams about the coming debacle of Obamacare. What the article is stating is simply that the middleclass will be destroyed in America. If it hasn't already happened.

The middle class was destroyed by nearly 30 years of trickle-down economics and GOP union busting long before Obamacare came along.

The middle class was destroyed by greedy unions who overestimated their own worth, bit the hand that fed them, struck themselves out of a job and never bothered to look in the mirror for all their troubles.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Okay Oldtimr. No one is is having wetdreams about the coming debacle of Obamacare. What the article is stating is simply that the middleclass will be destroyed in America. If it hasn't already happened.

The middle class was destroyed by nearly 30 years of trickle-down economics and GOP union busting long before Obamacare came along.

The middle class was destroyed by greedy unions who overestimated their own worth, bit the hand that fed them, struck themselves out of a job and never bothered to look in the mirror for all their troubles.

good gawd, you get the door prize. what a moronic thing to say.

 

[FJO]

The middle class was destroyed by nearly 30 years of trickle-down economics and GOP union busting long before Obamacare came along.

The middle class was destroyed by greedy unions who overestimated their own worth, bit the hand that fed them, struck themselves out of a job and never bothered to look in the mirror for all their troubles.

good gawd, you get the door prize. what a moronic thing to say.

Thank you, your kind words mean so much to me.

 

[WillowTree]

The middle class was destroyed by greedy unions who overestimated their own worth, bit the hand that fed them, struck themselves out of a job and never bothered to look in the mirror for all their troubles.

good gawd, you get the door prize. what a moronic thing to say.

Thank you, your kind words mean so much to me.

Stossel is doing a great piece this weekend about the differences in California and Texas. Most of it has to to with UNIONS and how they've fucked everything up.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

thank you President Obama...America loves you. Healthcare Insurance reform was needed decades ago

Hell yeah it was.

Obamacare will end up helping the families of most of it's opponents. stupidity and ignorance abound...

 

[Political Junky]

Maobamacare is doing exactly what it was intended to do, make employer based health insurance untenable and force everyone into a single payer system. Have you noticed, we no longer discuss insurance, it's all about care now.

I have no problem with that. Why we insist on imposing the onus of health insurance on the employer is beyond me. Just another layer in an already bureaucratic-heavy system.

Maybe Obamacare has been the Dems plan to segue to single payer one day all along?

I think we'll get to single payer eventually ... thank God.

 

[Greenbeard]

And it doesn’t matter that most manufacturers already provide health care: The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) estimates that 97 percent of its members already do so. Employers’ plans must cover at least 60 percent of employees’ average health expenses, and workers can’t contribute more than 9.5 percent of their family income, or the fees kick in anyway.

When you undermine your entire argument, it actually does matter. Yes, the employers you're worried about already offer health insurance.

As for the insinuation that those plans they're offering don't already provide at least 60 percent actuarial (the bronze tier under the ACA), that's entirely false. Virtually no group plans--i.e. employer-sponsored plans--in existence offer a lower level of cover than that.

Percentage Of Group Policies, By Actuarial Value And Plan Type, 2010

And as I'm sure we all know since there were a half dozen threads on this from tearful Republicans, the Obama administration has chosen to interpret the 9.5 percent requirement in an employer-friendly way, not a worker-friendly way. It offered an opportune chance for the right to attack from the left.

So what's left of your argument?

 

[Wehrwolfen]

Didn't see any references to temps in the NRO article, but it seems likely Obamacare increases the velocity of the destruction of the middle class by making it more desirable for corporations to churn temps than take on more than skeleton crews of full time line workers. To the extent jobs can be dumbed down through LEAN and other employee buy-in efficiency processes, the road ahead for blue collar America looks bleak indeed.

In other words Obamacare could be the final blow against the blue collar middle class, making blue collar labor little more than chattel traded back and forth between government programs and cheapskate corporate paychecks.

Hard to see any socialist elements to it in terms of benefits for workers. Corporations complain, but Fortune 200 corporations are finally achieving the objectives Reagan set out and Clinton took to the hoop in the 1990s with Phil Gramm's help. The US workforce is on its knees thanks to thirty years of betrayal orchestrated by the financial services sector and executed by every president since Carter including so-called liberals Clinton and Obama.

Obamacare is in fact more about what global corporations want (cheap, desperate labor and government handouts in down time) than small business or labor wants (dependable high skill labor). It is a sort of noir humor element listening to weirdo nutballs like Jowls Hannity and Pigboy Limbaugh rail against what their Fortune 200 program sponsors lobbied for like crazy behind the scenes.

And so it goes.

In actuality Obama and his merry Marxists are slitting the throat of the unions by destroying the manufacturing abilities of America. But isn't that always the way? Unions have lost their usefullness with the Marxist politicians so what better way to do away with the movement and destroy America at the same time. Impose OblamerCare and do nothing to increase employment, while forcing corporations to move offhore to other countries.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

name half a dozen corporations that have moved because of Obama

 

[healthmyths]

name half a dozen corporations that have moved because of Obama

FACTS... NOT assumptions!!!

Obama: "If you like your health-care plan, you keep your health-care plan. Nobody is going to force you to leave your health-care plan. If you like your doctor, you keep seeing your doctor. I don't want government bureaucrats meddling in your health care."

"The result ObamaCare which today McKinsey & Company commissioned a survey of 1,329 U.S. private sector employers to measure their attitudes about healthcare reform concluded that 30% of all companies would stop providing health coverage once Obamacare kicked in in 2014.
US employer healthcare survey | McKinsey & Company

And as of today Obamacare has :
Government re-engineering of the private marketplace is a complex task.
So far, more than 13,000 pages of federal ObamaCare regulations have been issued, but employers, states, and health companies say they need much more.
One recent rule took 18 pages to define a “full time employee.”
That’s needed because a company employing 50 or more full-time workers must provide health insurance or pay a fine.
The Avalanche Of New Obamacare Rules Will Come In January, 2013 - Forbes

 

[Wehrwolfen]

name half a dozen corporations that have moved because of Obama

11 Major Corporations Have Moved From the USA in 2009 ...​

westernfrontamerica.com/2009/11/18/11-major-corporations-moved-usa...

11 Major Corporations Have Moved From the USA in 2009. ... They have moved their operations overseas. ... and they have taken their production jobs to someplace ...

10 Big Businesses That Have Moved Their Headquarters Abroad​

…

www.comparebusinessproducts.com/fyi/10-big-businesses-that-have...

10 Big Businesses That Have Moved Their Headquarters Abroad to Pay Less U.S. Taxes. Updated: June 17, 2009. ... corporations ." Whichever term ... have moved their headquarters overseas ...

U.S. Companies Moving More Jobs Overseas...But Don't Want …​

www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1224-07.htm

NEW YORK - U.S. corporations are picking up the pace in shifting well-paid technology jobs to India, China and other low-cost centers, but they are keeping …

 

[sfcalifornia]

name half a dozen corporations that have moved because of Obama

11 Major Corporations Have Moved From the USA in 2009 ...​

westernfrontamerica.com/2009/11/18/11-major-corporations-moved-usa...

11 Major Corporations Have Moved From the USA in 2009. ... They have moved their operations overseas. ... and they have taken their production jobs to someplace ...

10 Big Businesses That Have Moved Their Headquarters Abroad​

…

www.comparebusinessproducts.com/fyi/10-big-businesses-that-have...

10 Big Businesses That Have Moved Their Headquarters Abroad to Pay Less U.S. Taxes. Updated: June 17, 2009. ... corporations ." Whichever term ... have moved their headquarters overseas ...

U.S. Companies Moving More Jobs Overseas...But Don't Want …​

www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1224-07.htm

NEW YORK - U.S. corporations are picking up the pace in shifting well-paid technology jobs to India, China and other low-cost centers, but they are keeping …

None of your links (the ones that work) say anything about Companies moving overseas specifically because of Obamacare.

The corporate tax rate has been 35% long before Obama took office by the way.

AND

In America, very few firms actually submit 35% of their taxable income to the government. According to various studies, the effective average tax rate for corporations is more like 25%, thanks to a bevy of loopholes, deductions and credits. And, as David Leonhardt pointed out in a recent column, there is also a large variation in what individual companies pay in taxes. He reports, "Of the 500 big companies in the well-known Standard & Poor's stock index, 115 paid a total corporate tax rate—both federal and otherwise—of less than 20 percent over the last five years... Thirty-nine of those companies paid a rate less than 10 percent."

Corporate-tax reform: The trouble with tax reform | The Economist

 

[yidnar]

Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs – Thank You Democrats (Video)​

by Jim Hoft
January 19, 2013


You thought the last four year were disastrous?
Wait until Obamacare hits. It’s already forcing companies to cut jobs and hours.


It’s now clear that Obamacare is already forcing businesses to cut employees and employee hours in order to comply to the law.

Thank you Democrats.
The National Review ( Obamacare?s Job-Killer - Jillian Kay Melchior - National Review Online )has more on Obamacare’s job-killing mandate.


American manufacturers are already struggling to recover, never mind expand. In that context, the Obama health law’s employer mandate proves especially counterproductive.

The Census Bureau doesn’t calculate how many manufacturing firms are near the 50-employee threshold. But its numbers do show that the majority of them are small enough that the employer mandate may be a significant problem. Of America’s total 258,662 manufacturing companies, 197,701 had fewer than 20 employees in 2010, around the time when hiring growth picked up. Another 46,005 had between 20 and 99 employees.

And it doesn’t matter that most manufacturers already provide health care: The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) estimates that 97 percent of its members already do so. Employers’ plans must cover at least 60 percent of employees’ average health expenses, and workers can’t contribute more than 9.5 percent of their family income, or the fees kick in anyway. That $2,000-per-employee penalty falls on top of the stiff taxes, trade barriers, and environmental limitations that manufacturers already have to contend with.


[Excerpt]

Read more:
Confirmed: Obamacare Is Already Killing Jobs ? Thank You Democrats (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

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[mudwhistle]

Maobamacare is doing exactly what it was intended to do, make employer based health insurance untenable and force everyone into a single payer system. Have you noticed, we no longer discuss insurance, it's all about care now.

Actually we only talk about what Obama wants us to talk about.

Right now it's guns.