Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-energy t

[MaggieMae]

About 2 weeks worth of war costs on green energy stuff?
Develop/help alternative energy and conservation vs killing people?
No choice there for me.

At the height of the Iraq war, in 2005, the weekly costs were around $1.2 BILLION, not millions.

 

[MaggieMae]

I bet none of these moon-bats have wind & solar installed. So they have no clue what they are talking about. I however installed both on my remote farm. They suck. The system lasted 3 weeks before the entire system self-destructed. A study in Europe found that the average system takes more energy to build than they ever produce. They are a waste of time, money & energy. Green energy moon-bats are anti American, anti energy & anti human race. We need to rid our government of these ding-bats before it is to late.

I wonder how many of you will be still up on your high horses when energy prices due to the changing landscape of the Middle East starts to skyrocket. We cannot survive without Saudi oil, so what happens if the unrest moves into SA and disruption of their oil supply occurs? I think suddenly all those alternative energy entrepreneurs who can't get their technology off the ground because of attitudes like YOURS will suddenly be very, very popular.

 

[MaggieMae]

EDIT: TRAJAN, WE WERE POSTING THE SAME IDEA AT THE SAME TIME! LOL!


This reminds me of all the liberals in Massachusetts who were all screaming about the need for expensive windmills, until it turned out that those windmills were going to ruin their own ocean views, and then they were screaming to halt their construction!

Liberalism is a metal disorder.

Yes, kinda like what happens off the coasts of Palm Beach in Florida and Santa Barbara in California. Those damned oil rigs spoil our view. But we still vote Republican, of course cuz we can afford to pay off the lawmakers who will make sure our coastal views stay pristine.

 

[GStarz]

Let's just cut to the chase on the liberal viewpoint on this:

1. If Obama did it, Bush did it too, and worse, no matter what.

2. Obama wants to do good things, but cannot miraculously fix all the damage Bush and Cheney did overnight. Obama is responsible for none of our current problems. Not one.

3. All corporations are owned by evil conservative, fatcat republicans except those owned by billionaire liberals, whose shit emerges in a pink box wrapped with a yellow ribbon.

4. Republicans pollute and destroy the planet, liberals democrats only want to save the world with clean energy, unless the windmills ruin their own landscape or otherwise inconvenience them, the liberals, in which case evil Repiublicans should stop blocking construction of same where it's convenient for the liberal democrats.

5. When evil conservative private firms waste their own money on failure, it's a moral outrage. When liberals do it with public-sector money they did not themselves earn and fail, it's an innocent mistake as part of the great learning process as we discover the wonder of the universe and our world around us.

If I've read this right, that pretty much seems to encapsulate the arguments. I'd like to see one specific, intellectually honest example where it doesn't. Just one. Thanks.

 

[kiwiman127]

Now let's discuss the 4 to 5 billion dollars in subsidies that go to the gas and oil companies every year.
Based on their profits, these industries need all the help they can get,,,,right?

 

[Skull Pilot]

First Solar has solar-panel factories in Ohio, Germany and Malaysia, with additional plants planned in France, Vietnam and possibly China.

First Solar has projected it will produce solar panels totaling 2,742 megawatts in 2012. The new U.S. factory would represent about 9 percent of its total manufacturing capacity that year. One megawatt can generate enough energy for about 250 homes at once in direct sunlight.

Solar Panel Maker May Build In Mesa

You gotta admit, the more right wingers say, the more stupid they appear to be. Then entire world is looking at "Green Energy" and the only group on earth laughing, are Right Wing Confederate Republicans.

Of course, the entire world is laughing at them. The party of "magical creation" and "tax cuts for billionaires".

Hey, don't you guys have an abortion to stop? A school to close down? Some brown skinned people to harass? Some oil company to apologize to?

projected........may........might

Yeah that's something to bank on.

 

[MaggieMae]

EDIT: TRAJAN, WE WERE POSTING THE SAME IDEA AT THE SAME TIME! LOL!


This reminds me of all the liberals in Massachusetts who were all screaming about the need for expensive windmills, until it turned out that those windmills were going to ruin their own ocean views, and then they were screaming to halt their construction!

Liberalism is a metal disorder.

Metal disorder? Mercury poisoning? That can't be a bad thing. Republicans want to disband the EPA. Yum, mercury good. Yum.

No - We just want to ban the dictator from using the EPA as a tool to force failed & un-democratic policy on everyone. I suggest you read up on DDT, JFK & EPA. Kennedy used the EPA as a political tool to ban DDT (against the advice of the EPA's own scientist, the UN & WHO). He used the EPA & foreign aid to force his political policy on the planet killing over 60 million people. JFK is the most notorious killer president ever.

DDT accumulates in animals that eat insects, traveling up the food chain, you fool, which is why it was banned. Would you rather have had Americans dying from poisoning? The only justification for use of DDT is because it is effective in treating the causes of malaria, i.e., killing mosquitoes. But that's way over in Africa. Since when have you people ever cared what happened there?

Should DDT Be Used to Combat Malaria?: Scientific American

Use of DDT to fight malaria has been increasing since it was endorsed in 2006 by the World Health Organization and the President's Malaria Initiative, a U.S. aid program launched by former President Bush.

Ahem...

 

[MaggieMae]

Meanwhile, Madman "Mr. Green" Obama and his media, cover up the horrific results of the Gulf spill tragedy. ~BH

Yet, it was Republicans who have denied subpoena power to the president to investigate BP over and over again. Maybe it was "part" of the apology?

Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans - National Political Spin | Examiner.com


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Ouch!

Just curious, how does it make you feel when you get a little "truth" dropped on your tiny head?

rd, Of course he did, because he knew that it would be blocked. Tell me, you don't actually believe that both parties are not in bed with big oil do you? Let me educate you a little. Pretty funny considering it was right before the Gulf spill tragedy.

Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html

Ouch!

Just curious, how does it make you feel when you get a little "truth" dropped on your tiny head? ~BH

The Gulf Oil spill is a perfect example of "trusting" the private sector to do it right all on their own. You can't. They will always always always be more concerned with profit than safety or the protection of their own workers.

 

[Mr Natural]

Yet, it was Republicans who have denied subpoena power to the president to investigate BP over and over again. Maybe it was "part" of the apology?

Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans - National Political Spin | Examiner.com


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Ouch!

Just curious, how does it make you feel when you get a little "truth" dropped on your tiny head?

rd, Of course he did, because he knew that it would be blocked. Tell me, you don't actually believe that both parties are not in bed with big oil do you? Let me educate you a little. Pretty funny considering it was right before the Gulf spill tragedy.

Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html

Ouch!

Just curious, how does it make you feel when you get a little "truth" dropped on your tiny head? ~BH

The Gulf Oil spill is a perfect example of "trusting" the private sector to do it right all on their own. You can't. They will always always always be more concerned with profit than safety or the protection of their own workers.

Workers are just another resource to our beloved corporations. Hence the name change from the Personnel Department to the Human Resources Department.

And if you lose a few in the course of business, oh well, they're replaceable.

 

[MaggieMae]

I've nioticed something about the liberal debating strategy here: hit on a topic that makes obama looks bad, and

1. attack and/or dismissively mock the poster
Your postings deserve to be attacked, first off, because you enter the arena in attack mode. Second, it doesn't matter what kind of factual proof we offer, you continue with your nonfactual proof, along with your own brand of mocking bullshit.

2. change the subject
One subject often turns to another on this board, by ALL of us, although usually related. Deal with it, or go back and try to get unbanned from wherever you came from. [Mocking tone intended.]

3. Run out the clock
Some of us aren't addicts; some of us actually eat, sleep and <gasp> many even have JOBS that are more important.

Alinski.

If i may, the conservatives here need to debate more efficiently, not get draw into personality contests and keep the topics difficult to the libs front and center. i just wasted a lot of time with someone who follows me around and draws me into endless bullshit sessions. this is all liberals have left because the efficiently debated facts destroy them. this is what we need to do. Don't get drawn in. repetition of the facts is all that matters. It's not good conversation, but it's good patriotism. IMO.

If you feel like someone is stalking you, call them on it, or put them on ignore, or even report the person. But it's quite possible that it's YOUR "endless bullshit" that draws people who want to take you down a few pegs.

And one more thing: Your kind of commentary is hardly indicative of "patriotism," although I realize that the cons have hijacked that word to mean that ONLY THEY (you) care about America. Guess what: That's what bullshit is.

 

[MaggieMae]

Obama could have sex with all of the Dallas cheerleaders on National T.V. and the Obamabots would find a way to defend, justify, it.

I mean look how they still stick up for the Hounddog Billy Clinton.

That's what I call BLIND LOVE AND DEVOTION.

Careful, Stephie. GStarz will accuse you of changing the subject.

 

[MaggieMae]

What's wrong with green energy?

Better we should put our money into fighting wars to maintain our addiction to oil?

That's just plain stupid.

You mean green energy scam? Because that is exactly what it is. There is little green energy that is sustainable with a positive EROI. Politics are driving the green energy lie.

The wind & sun are not producing power when your air-conditioner needs to cool your home, you are ready to flip the light switch, take a shower, start the laundry or dish-washer.

What is your employer supposed to do? Pay employees to stand around waiting for the sun & wind to power the assembly line so you can actually work to make something he can sell?

You people continue to speak as though wind is the only green alternative. But that figures. You rarely do any homework beyond a couple of paragraphs, so I'm not surprised. Here's a list of 50 potential sources for energy not derived from fossil fuels. Educate yourself. It's what the Internet is for.

Sustainable Energy Solutions - Renewable, Alternative Energy

 

[MaggieMae]

Links in article

SNIP:
posted at 9:30 am on February 22, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
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Not that there was much doubt about the question of the White House backing of Solyndra in California. The report from November, when I first wrote about the dissipation of more than a half-billion dollars, covered the facts well. In fact, let’s watch the original report from the local ABC affiliate one more time:(video at site.)

Congress has now confirmed the waste in a letter from the House Energy and Commerce Committee to Energy Secretary Steven Chu:
Solyndra, Inc. was supposed to have showcased the effectiveness of the Obama administration’s stimulus and green jobs initiatives, but instead it has become the center of congressional attention for waste, fraud and abuse of such programs.

According to a Feb. 17 letter signed by Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton, Michigan Republican, and Oversight Subcommittee Chairman Cliff Stearns, Florida Republican, to Energy Secretary Steven Chu, the Fremont, Calif.-based solar panel manufacturer squandered $535 million of stimulus money. …According to Biden’s speech, the $535 million loan guarantee was a smaller part of the $30 billion of stimulus money the administration planned to spend as part of its Green Jobs Initiative.
Obama made similar claims in a May 26, 2010 speech at the plant, but the 1,000 jobs he and Biden touted in their respective speeches failed to materialize.

Instead, Solyndra announced on Nov. 3 it planned to postpone expanding the plant, which cost the taxpayers $390.5 million, or 73 percent of the total loan guarantee, according to the Wall Street Journal.
It also announced that it no longer planned to hire the 1,000 workers that Obama and Biden had touted in their speeches and that it planned to close one of its older factories and planned to lay-off 135 temporary or contract workers and 40 full-time employees.
Gosh, who could have predicted that the Solyndra pork project might fail? Perhaps all of those Wall Street investors that avoided Solyndra for one obvious reason:

read it all here with comments.
Confirmed: Obama administration sunk $535 million in Porkulus funds in green-energy turkey « Hot Air

Yikes! A government contract gone bad? Imagine that.

So yes, this isn't good, but that's what happens to private sector businesses who can't hold on even with government subsidies. They take risks, they fail.

Yes, but when the private sector fails, they do it with their own money and don't ruin the economy by sucking the liquid capital out of the system to pay for their failures, the way the Government does. Gigantic difference. That's why socialism fails everywhere it's tried: look at Greece, and the UK isn't far behind. We're next if we don't drop the liberal daydreams of magic money and get back to grounded, real-world conservative principle.

This isn't about winning ideologically. It's in your best interests, too.

When it comes to producing alternative energy, from the bottom up, very few private businesses can afford it. Even nuclear plants, from construction to production, rely on government loan guarantees because big private investors are still not on board. Why? Because energy has become a POLITICAL football.

I notice you mention "Socialism." Interesting that you are changing the subject. Imagine that...

 

[MaggieMae]

But moooooommmmmm, they did it toooooooooo!

Yes, they did, and then some. Can't deny history, my friend. But with regards to THIS topic, the comparison is billions wasted to millions. I figured you'd reenter this board as soon as you saw someone criticizing your precious George W. Bush (whom you say you didn't support...wink wink...)

 

[Oddball]

But moooooommmmmm, they did it toooooooooo!

Yes, they did, and then some. Can't deny history, my friend. But with regards to THIS topic, the comparison is billions wasted to millions. I figured you'd reenter this board as soon as you saw someone criticizing your precious George W. Bush (whom you say you didn't support...wink wink...)

Blablablablabla.....

It's all just peachy when y'all happen to agree with the reputed aims waste and fraud, but don't let the other team do it or all hell breaks loose.

BTW, I was against the wars from the outset....Ask any of the posters from that board, which will remain unnamed, who post here.

 

[boedicca]

The moonbats are forgetting that National Defense is actually a constitutionally valid function of the government.

Micro-managing the energy industry by funneling taxpayer dollars to special interests is not.

 

[MaggieMae]

Let's just cut to the chase on the liberal viewpoint on this:

1. If Obama did it, Bush did it too, and worse, no matter what.
Usually, yes.

2. Obama wants to do good things, but cannot miraculously fix all the damage Bush and Cheney did overnight. Obama is responsible for none of our current problems. Not one.
Yes for first part; stupid assumption on the second.

3. All corporations are owned by evil conservative, fatcat republicans except those owned by billionaire liberals, whose shit emerges in a pink box wrapped with a yellow ribbon.
Most Wall Street corporations ARE run by conservatives who hire expensive lobbyists to push for deregulation and lower taxes, irrespective of how much overall damage to the nation as a whole might occur.

4. Republicans pollute and destroy the planet, liberals democrats only want to save the world with clean energy, unless the windmills ruin their own landscape or otherwise inconvenience them, the liberals, in which case evil Repiublicans should stop blocking construction of same where it's convenient for the liberal democrats.
Nobody ever claimed that it's "only" Republicans who pollute, you jerk. But it IS Republicans who have a vested interest in the corporations who are affiliated with oil. Put another way: Campaign donations a/k/a political graft.

5. When evil conservative private firms waste their own money on failure, it's a moral outrage. When liberals do it with public-sector money they did not themselves earn and fail, it's an innocent mistake as part of the great learning process as we discover the wonder of the universe and our world around us.
Who said "moral outrage"?? You continue to make up shit, yet don't think yours stinks like all bullshit does.

If I've read this right, that pretty much seems to encapsulate the arguments. I'd like to see one specific, intellectually honest example where it doesn't. Just one. Thanks.

You keep asking, you shall receive. It's very, very easy to debate someone who has obviously ONLY looked at ONE SIDE of every issue and ignored everything else. It's called tunnel vision.

 

[Mr Natural]

The moonbats are forgetting that National Defense is actually a constitutionally valid function of the government.

Micro-managing the energy industry by funneling taxpayer dollars to special interests is not.

You think energy independence is not vital to our National Defense ?

 

[MaggieMae]

rd, Of course he did, because he knew that it would be blocked. Tell me, you don't actually believe that both parties are not in bed with big oil do you? Let me educate you a little. Pretty funny considering it was right before the Gulf spill tragedy.

Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html

Ouch!

Just curious, how does it make you feel when you get a little "truth" dropped on your tiny head? ~BH

The Gulf Oil spill is a perfect example of "trusting" the private sector to do it right all on their own. You can't. They will always always always be more concerned with profit than safety or the protection of their own workers.

Workers are just another resource to our beloved corporations. Hence the name change from the Personnel Department to the Human Resources Department.

And if you lose a few in the course of business, oh well, they're replaceable.

It wasn't always that way, which is what depresses me.

 

[MaggieMae]

But moooooommmmmm, they did it toooooooooo!

Yes, they did, and then some. Can't deny history, my friend. But with regards to THIS topic, the comparison is billions wasted to millions. I figured you'd reenter this board as soon as you saw someone criticizing your precious George W. Bush (whom you say you didn't support...wink wink...)

Blablablablabla.....

It's all just peachy when y'all happen to agree with the reputed aims waste and fraud, but don't let the other team do it or all hell breaks loose.

BTW, I was against the wars from the outset....Ask any of the posters from that board, which will remain unnamed, who post here.

I just point out the obvious. You've never been able to deal with that. Comparisons to something that occurred in the Bush administration which, at the time, every rightwinger in the country lauded, is intended to point out intheface hypocrisy, period.