confessions of war crimes made by Israeli soldiers

[P F Tinmore]

'Our lives became something we'd never dreamt': The former Israeli soldiers who have testified against army abuses - Middle East, World - The Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ainst-army-abuses-2154663.html?action=Gallery

 

[ForeverYoung436]

'Our lives became something we'd never dreamt': The former Israeli soldiers who have testified against army abuses - Middle East, World - The Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ainst-army-abuses-2154663.html?action=Gallery

There have been abuses by both sides. You wll post the abuses by Israelis, and Marc39 will post the abuses by Palestinians. Where will it end?

 

[Jos]

'Our lives became something we'd never dreamt': The former Israeli soldiers who have testified against army abuses - Middle East, World - The Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ainst-army-abuses-2154663.html?action=Gallery

Donald Macintyre gets an exclusive preview of a powerful new book
The confessions are a good start I wonder what they will do with the book royalties?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Jos, you lost all credibility when you said killing is easy. Spain is not under constant attack by enemies, and you never had to defend your country.

 

[Ropey]

It doesn't matter. Posting useless single sided approaches is seen by the moderates as extreme since it only addresses the one side.

He isolates himself by the very nature of his exclusion.

'Our lives became something we'd never dreamt': The former Israeli soldiers who have testified against army abuses - Middle East, World - The Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ainst-army-abuses-2154663.html?action=Gallery

There have been abuses by both sides. You wll post the abuses by Israelis, and Marc39 will post the abuses by Palestinians. Where will it end?

 

[Ropey]

There is no such thing as a humane army. Doubly so when in a state of war. Expecting parallel fighting in a war is insanity.

Why? Because in the history of man, there never has been parallel fighting. So, the Israeli are better at defending themselves and responding to attack, than the Arabians.

They should stop defending as well, because the Arabians can't kill enough of them?

 

[Jos]

Jos, you lost all credibility when you said killing is easy. Spain is not under constant attack by enemies, and you never had to defend your country.

I choose to live in Spain, as a resident of the European comunity, I am a former Royal Marine

 

[Jos]

Maybe i should put it another way, It's not morally very hard to pull a trigger, but it is physically hard to get an enemy to die, because usually they don't want to. The final level is bayoneting, because there is a physical link between the two of you. You don't stab them in the stomach, twist and withdraw.They grab on to the blade, it stabs them in the mouth, the face, everywhere until they stop moving

 

[High_Gravity]

Maybe i should put it another way, It's not morally very hard to pull a trigger, but it is physically hard to get an enemy to die, because usually they don't want to. The final level is bayoneting, because there is a physical link between the two of you. You don't stab them in the stomach, twist and withdraw.They grab on to the blade, it stabs them in the mouth, the face, everywhere until they stop moving

Sounds like you have personal experience with this.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no such thing as a humane army. Doubly so when in a state of war. Expecting parallel fighting in a war is insanity.

Why? Because in the history of man, there never has been parallel fighting. So, the Israeli are better at defending themselves and responding to attack, than the Arabians.

They should stop defending as well, because the Arabians can't kill enough of them?

Israel occupies Palestine. An occupation by its very nature is an act of aggression. It is not a defense.

 

[Ropey]

What do you call Palestine?

There is no such thing as a humane army. Doubly so when in a state of war. Expecting parallel fighting in a war is insanity.

Why? Because in the history of man, there never has been parallel fighting. So, the Israeli are better at defending themselves and responding to attack, than the Arabians.

They should stop defending as well, because the Arabians can't kill enough of them?

Israel occupies Palestine. An occupation by its very nature is an act of aggression. It is not a defense.

 

[Ropey]

There is no occupation. There is no country to occupy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The first point addressed by the resolution is the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war."

Before the beginning of the 1948 war, Israeli forces attacked the Palestinian village of Najd. Najd was a farm community of about 700 people with a history that went back many centuries. Israel drove the inhabitants out of their homes and off their land. Israel then destroyed the village.

What would be a just solution for the refugees from Najd?

 

[Ropey]

The true refugees must be truly old by now and all their generations are born elsewhere.

The true ones can make their claims if what you post is provable. There were many villages who left because the Egyptian Army, Syrian Army and Jordanian Army gave advance notice of the attack.

When the attack came, the Jews then moved forward and any villages that were there, were mostly without their population because they were warned to move.

So, it's easy for you to post anything you want from the Internet, but there will have to be proof and the negotiations will deal with all of that.

What's your solution?

The first point addressed by the resolution is the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war."

Before the beginning of the 1948 war, Israeli forces attacked the Palestinian village of Najd. Najd was a farm community of about 700 people with a history that went back many centuries. Israel drove the inhabitants out of their homes and off their land. Israel then destroyed the village.

What would be a just solution for the refugees from Najd?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The true refugees must be truly old by now and all their generations are born elsewhere.

The true ones can make their claims if what you post is provable. There were many villages who left because the Egyptian Army, Syrian Army and Jordanian Army gave advance notice of the attack.

When the attack came, the Jews then moved forward and any villages that were there, were mostly without their population because they were warned to move.

So, it's easy for you to post anything you want from the Internet, but there will have to be proof and the negotiations will deal with all of that.

What's your solution?

The first point addressed by the resolution is the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war."

Before the beginning of the 1948 war, Israeli forces attacked the Palestinian village of Najd. Najd was a farm community of about 700 people with a history that went back many centuries. Israel drove the inhabitants out of their homes and off their land. Israel then destroyed the village.

What would be a just solution for the refugees from Najd?

Benny Morris reported that they were driven out.

BTW, studies of Palestinians who were instructed to leave by Arab forces amounted to only about 6%.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2fdoJxCcw[/ame]

 

[Ropey]

The true refugees must be truly old by now and all their generations are born elsewhere.

The true ones can make their claims if what you post is provable. There were many villages who left because the Egyptian Army, Syrian Army and Jordanian Army gave advance notice of the attack.

When the attack came, the Jews then moved forward and any villages that were there, were mostly without their population because they were warned to move.

So, it's easy for you to post anything you want from the Internet, but there will have to be proof and the negotiations will deal with all of that.

What's your solution?

Before the beginning of the 1948 war, Israeli forces attacked the Palestinian village of Najd. Najd was a farm community of about 700 people with a history that went back many centuries. Israel drove the inhabitants out of their homes and off their land. Israel then destroyed the village.

What would be a just solution for the refugees from Najd?

Benny Morris reported that they were driven out.

BTW, studies of Palestinians who were instructed to leave by Arab forces amounted to only about 6%.

Your studies...

Not our studies.

That's why this tit for tat is useless PF. I ask you your solution, and all you do is post useless 60 year old indictments.

I'm done here.

 

[PixieStix]

There is no occupation. There is no country to occupy.Edited

The Meaning of Resolution Two Four Two and Three Three Eight

Follow the guidlines of the board policy or this thread will be deleted, include a link and post no more than a couple of paragraphs.

PixieStix

 

[Gunny]

The true refugees must be truly old by now and all their generations are born elsewhere.

The true ones can make their claims if what you post is provable. There were many villages who left because the Egyptian Army, Syrian Army and Jordanian Army gave advance notice of the attack.

When the attack came, the Jews then moved forward and any villages that were there, were mostly without their population because they were warned to move.

So, it's easy for you to post anything you want from the Internet, but there will have to be proof and the negotiations will deal with all of that.

What's your solution?

Benny Morris reported that they were driven out.

BTW, studies of Palestinians who were instructed to leave by Arab forces amounted to only about 6%.

Your studies...

Not our studies.

That's why this tit for tat is useless PF. I ask you your solution, and all you do is post useless 60 year old indictments.

I'm done here.

What do you expect from people that make a living on hate and murder?

 

[georgephillip]

Are you talking about Republicans AND Democrats?

 

[docmauser1]

Israel occupies Palestine. An occupation by its very nature is an act of aggression. It is not a defense.

Israel occupies Palestine. An occupation by its very nature is an act of aggression. It is not a defense.

One can't occupy anything nonexistent, unless that one's buying arab agitprop poop. Let's get factual and review a rather old International Court of Justice idiocy:

• The ICJ ruled that, it had jurisdiction over the case, but it involved only a dispute between Israel and the UN, rather than a dispute between Israel and the paliban.
• The ICJ ruled that, provisions of the international law regarding israeli right of self-defense are inapplicable, since there's no state involved, other than Israel.
• The ICJ ruled that the West Bank is an occupied territory.
• Thus, the ICJ holds that, there exists an armed conflict, and that territories are occupied territories of another state; and at the same time the ICJ asserts that, Israel has no right to defend itself, because there is no other state involved.

Pretty dumbass, but that's what almost all things "international" are.