Confession: Healthcare Is Really Socialism!

Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by PoliticalChic, Jan 8, 2010.

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    "Every Democratic president since Lyndon Johnson -- Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama -- has raised the hope that he would bring with him a new era of progressive reform. The legislative torrents of the New Deal and the Great Society -- a few brief years in the 1930s and the '60s that fundamentally reshaped the nation's economy and society -- are the templates that fire the liberal imagination.

    ...when liberals ... have responded to the election of every Democratic president since LBJ -- each of whom entered office with a substantial Democratic majority in Congress -- with the hope that this time would be different, that a new burst of progressivism was at hand.

    And each time, they have been disappointed. While Carter and Clinton could both point to progressive legislation enacted during their terms, many of their most significant achievements -- the deregulation of transportation, the consolidation and deregulation of finance, the abolition of welfare, the enactment of trade agreements with low-wage nations -- actually eroded the economic security that Franklin Roosevelt, Johnson and their congressional contemporaries had worked to hard to create.

    The reasons for the stillbirth of the new progressive era are many and much discussed....But if there's a common feature to the political landscapes in which Carter, Clinton and now Obama were compelled to work, it's the absence of a vibrant left movement.

    Both communists and democratic socialists were enough of a presence in America to help shape these movements, generating so much street heat in so many congressional districts that Democrats were compelled to look leftward as they crafted their response to the Depression. During Lyndon Johnson's presidency, the civil rights movement, among whose leaders were such avowed democratic socialists as Martin Luther King Jr. and James Farmer, provided a new generation of street heat that both compelled and abetted the president and Congress to enact fundamental reforms.

    It might well be too little too late, but without left pressure from below, the Obama presidency will end up looking more like Carter's or Clinton's than Roosevelt's or Johnson's. "

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    Ya, ya. Social Security is {{[[((Socialism/Communism))]]}}Unions are {{[[((Socialism/Communism]]}})).

    Goddamn, even Hootenannys are Socialist:cuckoo:
     
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    what a cunty title for an actually good article, well done, political fuckup
     
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    Reality boils down to two choices:

    1) Pay your health care costs with cash as you incur them.​

    2) Fund a pool with regular payments so that health care costs can be spread out over time and among a group of people.​

    If you choose number 2, you have 2 more choices:

    1) Private bureaucracies that manage the data base and collect the regular payments and pay the bills based on pleasing a few individuals through quarterly profit reports. ​

    2) Public bureaucracies that that manage the data base and collect the regular payments and pay the bills based rules established by your representatives in government.​

    Can you just imagine the financial and personal information that Social Security has on you in the hands of a for profit corporation? :eek:
     
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    What exactly is your point?

    The title of the thread says something the cited article doesn't imply and, in fact, seems to deny. Obama's health care reform is not likely to be as sweeping as the reforms of earlier eras. Not only is it not socialism, it's not even "new dealism" or "great societyism."
     
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