Compromise for my fellow Republicans

Well, that's where we disagree. While I certainly am no big fan of Romney or Gingrich and would prefer a different candidate, one of them is who we will have opposing Obama in the general election. As liberal and big government as Mitt and Newt might end up being, I don't think they will hold a candle to Obama's agenda. It might not be what you and I want, but it will be far better than Obama.

Newt comes the closest of the other two that I could vote for, he says all the right things now, but I just can't get past what he use to stand for and what he has said in the past. He looked so comfortable on that couch with Nancy. Maybe he should retire there with her. And Romney hell no. Santorum is just as bad as newt.
And ANY ONE OF THEM IS BETTER THAN obama. What part about that is so hard to understand?

417318_297993426925689_114364638621903_785995_751017752_n.jpg

OK if any of them are better than obama explain the difference between obama and the Republican front runners?
 
Paulie, I'm a libertarian leaning conservative too. I understand what you are saying. However, I'd literally vote for Mickey Mouse or Bozo the Clown over Obama. He's that bad and he has to go. Would I prefer a Ron Paul or a Gary Johnson presidency? You damn skippy. But I don't see that happening this election. While I could certainly do a write in on the ballot, will my principled vote for Paul or Johnson instead of the actual candidate on the ballot allow Dear Ruler another 4 years to destroy the country? See, for me personally, that is what I am weighing. Me, I don't want to sit there with a smug look on my face saying I did the "right thing" while I watch our nation die.

Here's the way I see in 1943 if the Germans could have traded Hitler for Goring would there have been change or just moving Hitler out to replace him with a Hitler agenda supporter. I realize that may seem extreme but that's the only way I can compare it. Even though Hitler would be gone his agenda would still be in place and someone who would push it. That's what you would have with obama and the rest of the GOP picks. obama maybe gone but his agenda is still in place.

Well, that's where we disagree. While I certainly am no big fan of Romney or Gingrich and would prefer a different candidate, one of them is who we will have opposing Obama in the general election. As liberal and big government as Mitt and Newt might end up being, I don't think they will hold a candle to Obama's agenda. It might not be what you and I want, but it will be far better than Obama.

Care to explain the difference in their agenda and obama's?
 
Here's the way I see in 1943 if the Germans could have traded Hitler for Goring would there have been change or just moving Hitler out to replace him with a Hitler agenda supporter. I realize that may seem extreme but that's the only way I can compare it. Even though Hitler would be gone his agenda would still be in place and someone who would push it. That's what you would have with obama and the rest of the GOP picks. obama maybe gone but his agenda is still in place.

Well, that's where we disagree. While I certainly am no big fan of Romney or Gingrich and would prefer a different candidate, one of them is who we will have opposing Obama in the general election. As liberal and big government as Mitt and Newt might end up being, I don't think they will hold a candle to Obama's agenda. It might not be what you and I want, but it will be far better than Obama.

Newt comes the closest of the other two that I could vote for, he says all the right things now, but I just can't get past what he use to stand for and what he has said in the past. He looked so comfortable on that couch with Nancy. Maybe he should retire there with her. And Romney hell no. Santorum is just as bad as newt.

Romney will end up being the nominee. Newt has too much baggage and is far too erratic. You never know what will come out of his mouth and who he will pander to next. He's a political whore. That being said, I'd vote for him over Obama. Again, I could stand on principle and do a write in vote, but at the end of the day in a two way race, voting for a third person doesn't do anything wit the exception pf possibly maing me feel good about myself. I have a choice between two candidates and I already know that there is no way in hell I'd pull the lever for Obama.
 
Here's the way I see in 1943 if the Germans could have traded Hitler for Goring would there have been change or just moving Hitler out to replace him with a Hitler agenda supporter. I realize that may seem extreme but that's the only way I can compare it. Even though Hitler would be gone his agenda would still be in place and someone who would push it. That's what you would have with obama and the rest of the GOP picks. obama maybe gone but his agenda is still in place.

Well, that's where we disagree. While I certainly am no big fan of Romney or Gingrich and would prefer a different candidate, one of them is who we will have opposing Obama in the general election. As liberal and big government as Mitt and Newt might end up being, I don't think they will hold a candle to Obama's agenda. It might not be what you and I want, but it will be far better than Obama.

Care to explain the difference in their agenda and obama's?

Here? Now? No. I actually do have a day job. Do this, inform yourself on what Obama has already done and what he wants to do and then watch the Republican debates and tell me that you honestly think there isn't a whit of difference between Mitt/Next and Obama. There is. Even if it is in shades of degree, it is substantial enough to keep us from sliding down the drainhole of history we are currently spiraling around.
 
Well, that's where we disagree. While I certainly am no big fan of Romney or Gingrich and would prefer a different candidate, one of them is who we will have opposing Obama in the general election. As liberal and big government as Mitt and Newt might end up being, I don't think they will hold a candle to Obama's agenda. It might not be what you and I want, but it will be far better than Obama.

Care to explain the difference in their agenda and obama's?

Here? Now? No. I actually do have a day job. Do this, inform yourself on what Obama has already done and what he wants to do and then watch the Republican debates and tell me that you honestly think there isn't a whit of difference between Mitt/Next and Obama. There is. Even if it is in shades of degree, it is substantial enough to keep us from sliding down the drainhole of history we are currently spiraling around.

Yes I understand but when you get a chance.

Do this, inform yourself on what Obama has already done and what he wants to do and then watch the Republican debates and tell me that you honestly think there isn't a whit of difference between Mitt/Next and Obama.

I don't have to do the research now I already have. I wanted you to explain why you think there's a difference between obama and the republican front runners and why voting obama out for those three will be any difference. I didn't ask you because I don't know the answer, I asked you because you seem to think anyone but obama will be a good thing. Voting obama out to replace him with an obama agenda supporter is not a good thing.
 
Care to explain the difference in their agenda and obama's?

Here? Now? No. I actually do have a day job. Do this, inform yourself on what Obama has already done and what he wants to do and then watch the Republican debates and tell me that you honestly think there isn't a whit of difference between Mitt/Next and Obama. There is. Even if it is in shades of degree, it is substantial enough to keep us from sliding down the drainhole of history we are currently spiraling around.

Yes I understand but when you get a chance.

Do this, inform yourself on what Obama has already done and what he wants to do and then watch the Republican debates and tell me that you honestly think there isn't a whit of difference between Mitt/Next and Obama.

I don't have to do the research now I already have. I wanted you to explain why you think there's a difference between obama and the republican front runners and why voting obama out for those three will be any difference. I didn't ask you because I don't know the answer, I asked you because you seem to think anyone but obama will be a good thing. Voting obama out to replace him with an obama agenda supporter is not a good thing.

Negative. That is not what I said. I said anyone would be better than Obama. Better and a good thing are too very different things. I would prefer a good thing, but I'll take better if that's all we can get.
 
Here? Now? No. I actually do have a day job. Do this, inform yourself on what Obama has already done and what he wants to do and then watch the Republican debates and tell me that you honestly think there isn't a whit of difference between Mitt/Next and Obama. There is. Even if it is in shades of degree, it is substantial enough to keep us from sliding down the drainhole of history we are currently spiraling around.

Yes I understand but when you get a chance.

Do this, inform yourself on what Obama has already done and what he wants to do and then watch the Republican debates and tell me that you honestly think there isn't a whit of difference between Mitt/Next and Obama.

I don't have to do the research now I already have. I wanted you to explain why you think there's a difference between obama and the republican front runners and why voting obama out for those three will be any difference. I didn't ask you because I don't know the answer, I asked you because you seem to think anyone but obama will be a good thing. Voting obama out to replace him with an obama agenda supporter is not a good thing.

Negative. That is not what I said. I said anyone would be better than Obama. Better and a good thing are too very different things. I would prefer a good thing, but I'll take better if that's all we can get.
OK so we play with words.
anyone would be better than obama
or anyone but obama.
Whats the difference?
 
Here's the way I see in 1943 if the Germans could have traded Hitler for Goring would there have been change or just moving Hitler out to replace him with a Hitler agenda supporter. I realize that may seem extreme but that's the only way I can compare it. Even though Hitler would be gone his agenda would still be in place and someone who would push it. That's what you would have with obama and the rest of the GOP picks. obama maybe gone but his agenda is still in place.

Well, that's where we disagree. While I certainly am no big fan of Romney or Gingrich and would prefer a different candidate, one of them is who we will have opposing Obama in the general election. As liberal and big government as Mitt and Newt might end up being, I don't think they will hold a candle to Obama's agenda. It might not be what you and I want, but it will be far better than Obama.

Care to explain the difference in their agenda and obama's?
bigreb... I'll tell ya man... either you're joking or oblivious. Which is it?
 
Where in Obamacare is socialized healthcare provided? You are aware it uses private insurance companies aren't you?

I wasn't specifically talking about Obamacare, I was addressing your comments like this one:



and this one:

Who is able to step in and fill the void?

Yes.......the Government

Who else do you propose?

What you are proposing here is socialized health care. You want the government to step in and provide health care for people who can't afford it while the people who can afford it have to pay for all of it. That is socialism. Own it.

Where have I proposed socialized healthcare? It would be the best thing for the country, but we have too many wing nuts opposing it to even think about it

Socialized healthcare would mean everyone pays to the government and the government disperses money to the healthcare providers

The free market of employers providing health insurance is saying they do not want the responsibility. The Government is forming large insurance pools that used to be formed by employers. That is not socialism
What we are doing is using thousands of independent insurers to provide that coverage. It is not socialism...it is capitalism at it's finest (or worse)

You definitely implied that it was the ideal and you prove here that you believe that. You and I both know that my way would fail miserably because no one is going to volunteer to pay extra when others are paying nothing and everyone gets the same benefit. The caveat is that your way is exactly the same way as mine with one major difference. In your system everyone is forced to pay under penalty of law.
 
Well, that's where we disagree. While I certainly am no big fan of Romney or Gingrich and would prefer a different candidate, one of them is who we will have opposing Obama in the general election. As liberal and big government as Mitt and Newt might end up being, I don't think they will hold a candle to Obama's agenda. It might not be what you and I want, but it will be far better than Obama.

Care to explain the difference in their agenda and obama's?
bigreb... I'll tell ya man... either you're joking or oblivious. Which is it?

It's not a joke.
Care to explain the difference in their agenda and obama's?

Let's see if you know what it is you are supporting?
 
I wasn't specifically talking about Obamacare, I was addressing your comments like this one:



and this one:



What you are proposing here is socialized health care. You want the government to step in and provide health care for people who can't afford it while the people who can afford it have to pay for all of it. That is socialism. Own it.

Where have I proposed socialized healthcare? It would be the best thing for the country, but we have too many wing nuts opposing it to even think about it

Socialized healthcare would mean everyone pays to the government and the government disperses money to the healthcare providers

The free market of employers providing health insurance is saying they do not want the responsibility. The Government is forming large insurance pools that used to be formed by employers. That is not socialism
What we are doing is using thousands of independent insurers to provide that coverage. It is not socialism...it is capitalism at it's finest (or worse)

You definitely implied that it was the ideal and you prove here that you believe that. You and I both know that my way would fail miserably because no one is going to volunteer to pay extra when others are paying nothing and everyone gets the same benefit. The caveat is that your way is exactly the same way as mine with one major difference. In your system everyone is forced to pay under penalty of law.

That's the way being a member of society works. You contribute to the society as a whole and you benefit as part of the whole

Is this a great country or what?
 
Where have I proposed socialized healthcare? It would be the best thing for the country, but we have too many wing nuts opposing it to even think about it

Socialized healthcare would mean everyone pays to the government and the government disperses money to the healthcare providers

The free market of employers providing health insurance is saying they do not want the responsibility. The Government is forming large insurance pools that used to be formed by employers. That is not socialism
What we are doing is using thousands of independent insurers to provide that coverage. It is not socialism...it is capitalism at it's finest (or worse)

You definitely implied that it was the ideal and you prove here that you believe that. You and I both know that my way would fail miserably because no one is going to volunteer to pay extra when others are paying nothing and everyone gets the same benefit. The caveat is that your way is exactly the same way as mine with one major difference. In your system everyone is forced to pay under penalty of law.

That's the way being a member of society works. You contribute to the society as a whole and you benefit as part of the whole

Is this a great country or what?
What if someone does not contribute?
 
Here's the way I see in 1943 if the Germans could have traded Hitler for Goring would there have been change or just moving Hitler out to replace him with a Hitler agenda supporter. I realize that may seem extreme but that's the only way I can compare it. Even though Hitler would be gone his agenda would still be in place and someone who would push it. That's what you would have with obama and the rest of the GOP picks. obama maybe gone but his agenda is still in place.

Well, that's where we disagree. While I certainly am no big fan of Romney or Gingrich and would prefer a different candidate, one of them is who we will have opposing Obama in the general election. As liberal and big government as Mitt and Newt might end up being, I don't think they will hold a candle to Obama's agenda. It might not be what you and I want, but it will be far better than Obama.

Newt comes the closest of the other two that I could vote for, he says all the right things now, but I just can't get past what he use to stand for and what he has said in the past. He looked so comfortable on that couch with Nancy. Maybe he should retire there with her. And Romney hell no. Santorum is just as bad as newt.

If Ron Paul is still in it in any shape or form, I will vote for him. My 2nd choice is Newt. And as bad as he's been, my 3rd choice is Obama.
 
Newt comes the closest of the other two that I could vote for, he says all the right things now, but I just can't get past what he use to stand for and what he has said in the past. He looked so comfortable on that couch with Nancy. Maybe he should retire there with her. And Romney hell no. Santorum is just as bad as newt.
And ANY ONE OF THEM IS BETTER THAN obama. What part about that is so hard to understand?

417318_297993426925689_114364638621903_785995_751017752_n.jpg

OK if any of them are better than obama explain the difference between obama and the Republican front runners?

Taxes. Other than that not a single damn thing will be different.
 
Where have I proposed socialized healthcare? It would be the best thing for the country, but we have too many wing nuts opposing it to even think about it

Socialized healthcare would mean everyone pays to the government and the government disperses money to the healthcare providers

The free market of employers providing health insurance is saying they do not want the responsibility. The Government is forming large insurance pools that used to be formed by employers. That is not socialism
What we are doing is using thousands of independent insurers to provide that coverage. It is not socialism...it is capitalism at it's finest (or worse)

You definitely implied that it was the ideal and you prove here that you believe that. You and I both know that my way would fail miserably because no one is going to volunteer to pay extra when others are paying nothing and everyone gets the same benefit. The caveat is that your way is exactly the same way as mine with one major difference. In your system everyone is forced to pay under penalty of law.

That's the way being a member of society works. You contribute to the society as a whole and you benefit as part of the whole

Is this a great country or what?

This is better accomplished by making everyone pay their own way. That way everyone HAS to pay or they don't get the benefit. Everyone would then contribute to society by making sure they aren't a burden on society. See we don't even need government intervention and we get to remain free. Great deal huh?
 
And that accomplishes what exactly? Other than the possibility that the person you really, really did not want to get elected, getting elected. Now instead of screwing yourself a little, you just screwed yourself a lot. Not the best way to enjoy your moral high ground is it?

As a libertarian leaning conservative, I'm not going to reward the republican party with an election win if they're not going to offer me those ideals that drive me to register with them in the first place. I'd just as soon see them lose an election and learn from their fuck up and move back to the roots that made them the party for conservatives.

Giving them the WH now means at LEAST another 8 years of continuing to steer to the left in one way or another. If Obama gets another 4 years, it'll be the same shit as with Romney only it'll be just 4 years with the possibility of maybe a Rand Paul emerging as a contender in 2016.

Right now, the republican party has no intention of being conservative, and they've proven that with who they're propping up this cycle. So I say fuck them.

Paulie, I'm a libertarian leaning conservative too. I understand what you are saying. However, I'd literally vote for Mickey Mouse or Bozo the Clown over Obama. He's that bad and he has to go. Would I prefer a Ron Paul or a Gary Johnson presidency? You damn skippy. But I don't see that happening this election. While I could certainly do a write in on the ballot, will my principled vote for Paul or Johnson instead of the actual candidate on the ballot allow Dear Ruler another 4 years to destroy the country? See, for me personally, that is what I am weighing. Me, I don't want to sit there with a smug look on my face saying I did the "right thing" while I watch our nation die.

What gives you any reason to think it won't die just as quick with Romney or Gingrich? Gingrich has some seriously creepy shit in his past. If 8 years of Bush wasn't enough for you then I don't know what would be. There isn't a damn bit of difference between either of the main 2 options that are going to be on the table. The illusion continues in perpetuity everytime someone picks the so called lesser of 2 evils.
 
You definitely implied that it was the ideal and you prove here that you believe that. You and I both know that my way would fail miserably because no one is going to volunteer to pay extra when others are paying nothing and everyone gets the same benefit. The caveat is that your way is exactly the same way as mine with one major difference. In your system everyone is forced to pay under penalty of law.

That's the way being a member of society works. You contribute to the society as a whole and you benefit as part of the whole

Is this a great country or what?
What if someone does not contribute?

Rightwinger don't leave me hanging can you answer my question?
 

Forum List

Back
Top