Communism v Socialism

[antagon]

yeah, non-sequitur perhaps merely through ignorance. logic more directly relates our $1.5T deficit spending to the current economic climate combining government tax revenue declines with stimulus expenditure. there hasn't been a massive great society initiative to blame, sorry.

The combined weight of the New Deal, Great Society and now Obamanomics has finally swamped the US economy.

I hope you're proud

Yep, he still believes that Obama will 'save America', apparently he has never seen how France is and how it treats its illegals. Mexicans are treated far better than France's African illegals which it puts in ghettos with conditions like in Nazi Germany's Jewish ghettos (they had massive riots across France a few years back too). But of course the left doesn't want you to hear that, France and the mess called Europe is the perfect place for America to become.

Though being a sane individual, last I checked America was founded to be different and better than Europe and not return to being it, its clear that Democrats hate the founders of America more than ever before by voting in Obama.

wtf? france? you folks have totally lost your marbles.

 

[hipeter924]

The combined weight of the New Deal, Great Society and now Obamanomics has finally swamped the US economy.

I hope you're proud

Yep, he still believes that Obama will 'save America', apparently he has never seen how France is and how it treats its illegals. Mexicans are treated far better than France's African illegals which it puts in ghettos with conditions like in Nazi Germany's Jewish ghettos (they had massive riots across France a few years back too). But of course the left doesn't want you to hear that, France and the mess called Europe is the perfect place for America to become.

Though being a sane individual, last I checked America was founded to be different and better than Europe and not return to being it, its clear that Democrats hate the founders of America more than ever before by voting in Obama.

wtf? france? you folks have totally lost your marbles.

Yes France, as Obama is at very least (even according to most leftists) a social democrat, and France is a social democracy.

 

[antagon]

this is the silliest rationale i've seen in a while.

 

[georgephillip]

You are one of those inequality = failure people.

Total income equality would mean poverty for everyone, rather than extreme wealth for a few, reasonable wealth for many, and poverty for a few.

Capitalism is a system that allows failure and success upon individual initiative, and has a wealthy elite that can step in to help people and the country based on compassion rather than altruism. Big corporations and wealthy individuals donate money to charity, build infrastructure (especially railways in the case of the US) and create jobs by expanding their companies. If we didn't tax businesses, kept personal taxes very low and worked hard (through non-government organizations) to ensure everyone was well educated and employed in something, then poverty and unemployment would be a thing of the past.

Socialism is a system that desires total equality and forces the smart kids to shut down their brains so they are the same level as the stupid ones. Then it forces the rich to give their money to the govt to support people too lazy to work (only a tiny minority are disabled beyond the ability to work) rather than spend it on expanding their companies, giving money to their employees and creating economic growth.

No. I am one of those inequality = corruption people.

Like the corruption displayed by Ehud Olmert and all those cash-stuffed envelopes he received from Morris Talansky. Or Bibi's posh hotel digs paid for by wealth individuals who naturally expected neither compassion nor altruism in return.

Uri Avnery: Olmert and the Jackals

Capitalism exists to exploit.
For nearly 300 years it has exploited labor and land unmercifully.
The payback is at hand.
And it will be a Bitch.

Who controls the military and the police? Not you. Next.

In fact if anything is happening its corporatism, a corporate police state, a theocracy or a fascist state. Communism and Socialism are dead as ideologies of equality and are the central ideologies of exploitation and control (set up a government elite that own everything), wake up and see reality.

Even your precious Soviet Union had an elite that controlled all the wealth and power. Come back when you design a system that creates total equality, till then...sulk in a corner for you.

Who controls the 250,000,000 private guns in the US?
You?
Next.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

yeah, non-sequitur perhaps merely through ignorance. logic more directly relates our $1.5T deficit spending to the current economic climate combining government tax revenue declines with stimulus expenditure. there hasn't been a massive great society initiative to blame, sorry.

The combined weight of the New Deal, Great Society and now Obamanomics has finally swamped the US economy.

I hope you're proud

Frank:

Why do you think the gap between the richest 1% of Americans and all the rest continues to widen regardless of which party controls the White House or Congress?

What does that have to do with Progressives proudly putting the USA on a glidepath to a Greece like bankruptcy?

Why don't you become one of the "1%"?

How is someone's income and wealth any of your business in the first place, Comrade? How? On what basis are you the arbiter of what's "Fair"?

The rich understand what money is and how to keep it, so instead of teaching everyone else what they know, our Progressive Educational system teaches hatred and envy.

Terrific

 

[hipeter924]

No. I am one of those inequality = corruption people.

Like the corruption displayed by Ehud Olmert and all those cash-stuffed envelopes he received from Morris Talansky. Or Bibi's posh hotel digs paid for by wealth individuals who naturally expected neither compassion nor altruism in return.

Uri Avnery: Olmert and the Jackals

Capitalism exists to exploit.
For nearly 300 years it has exploited labor and land unmercifully.
The payback is at hand.
And it will be a Bitch.

Who controls the military and the police? Not you. Next.

In fact if anything is happening its corporatism, a corporate police state, a theocracy or a fascist state. Communism and Socialism are dead as ideologies of equality and are the central ideologies of exploitation and control (set up a government elite that own everything), wake up and see reality.

Even your precious Soviet Union had an elite that controlled all the wealth and power. Come back when you design a system that creates total equality, till then...sulk in a corner for you.

Who controls the 250,000,000 private guns in the US?
You?
Next.

Last I checked the vast majority aren't owned by socialists or commies but capitalists, so when you build your communist party militia let me know. Thus your point its mute.

 

[georgephillip]

The combined weight of the New Deal, Great Society and now Obamanomics has finally swamped the US economy.

I hope you're proud

Frank:

Why do you think the gap between the richest 1% of Americans and all the rest continues to widen regardless of which party controls the White House or Congress?

What does that have to do with Progressives proudly putting the USA on a glidepath to a Greece like bankruptcy?

Why don't you become one of the "1%"?

How is someone's income and wealth any of your business in the first place, Comrade? How? On what basis are you the arbiter of what's "Fair"?

The rich understand what money is and how to keep it, so instead of teaching everyone else what they know, our Progressive Educational system teaches hatred and envy.

Terrific

Distribution of wealth shouldn't depend on any individual arbiter of fairness. Sometimes the numbers settle the dispute.

Iff it is true that 10,000 people "earn" 30% of US income and the next 29, 990,000 people make 40%, and the next 30,000,000 people gather 12% that leaves 240,000,000 Americans killing each other over the remaining 18% of the pie.

If these numbers are accurate, "fairness" is just another lie the rich tell.

America is 234 Years-Old

 

[CrusaderFrank]

yeah, non-sequitur perhaps merely through ignorance. logic more directly relates our $1.5T deficit spending to the current economic climate combining government tax revenue declines with stimulus expenditure. there hasn't been a massive great society initiative to blame, sorry.

The combined weight of the New Deal, Great Society and now Obamanomics has finally swamped the US economy.

I hope you're proud

weren't you the clown who claimed progressive marxists utopians were the cats who over-play the role of government in the wider economy? maybe you could explain how a budget deficit, one component of public finance, constitutes a swamping of the economy, then... or is that another jab in a long line of non-sequitur hypocrisy?

Do you have any idea how big a $1.5 Trillion deficit is?

And the Progressives keep adding to it in any way possible. Extend unemployment 100 years, fund state deficits, give all federal employees a raise, and on and on and on.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank:

Why do you think the gap between the richest 1% of Americans and all the rest continues to widen regardless of which party controls the White House or Congress?

What does that have to do with Progressives proudly putting the USA on a glidepath to a Greece like bankruptcy?

Why don't you become one of the "1%"?

How is someone's income and wealth any of your business in the first place, Comrade? How? On what basis are you the arbiter of what's "Fair"?

The rich understand what money is and how to keep it, so instead of teaching everyone else what they know, our Progressive Educational system teaches hatred and envy.

Terrific

Distribution of wealth shouldn't depend on any individual arbiter of fairness. Sometimes the numbers settle the dispute.

Iff it is true that 10,000 people "earn" 30% of US income and the next 29, 990,000 people make 40%, and the next 30,000,000 people gather 12% that leaves 240,000,000 Americans killing each other over the remaining 18% of the pie.

If these numbers are accurate, "fairness" is just another lie the rich tell.

America is 234 Years-Old

Comrade, the Marxists fucked with your head.

They left you just brainpower to regurgitate the failed Marxist World View.

 

[antagon]

The combined weight of the New Deal, Great Society and now Obamanomics has finally swamped the US economy.

I hope you're proud

weren't you the clown who claimed progressive marxists utopians were the cats who over-play the role of government in the wider economy? maybe you could explain how a budget deficit, one component of public finance, constitutes a swamping of the economy, then... or is that another jab in a long line of non-sequitur hypocrisy?

Do you have any idea how big a $1.5 Trillion deficit is?

And the Progressives keep adding to it in any way possible. Extend unemployment 100 years, fund state deficits, give all federal employees a raise, and on and on and on.

let me get this right, Cfrank...

deride the progressive marxist utopians for taking account of the tens of trillions injected inside the wider economy by way of decades of progressive policy, then personally take account for the trillion and a half liability which is external to the wider economy, and largely aimed at reinforcing the private sector and states in ways which you yourself have pointed out... during a deep and extended recovery.

if this doesn't mean you are some kind of partisan-hack-ideological-hypocrit-unpaid-pundit, surely it means you're an ignoramus.

 

[georgephillip]

The combined weight of the New Deal, Great Society and now Obamanomics has finally swamped the US economy.

I hope you're proud

weren't you the clown who claimed progressive marxists utopians were the cats who over-play the role of government in the wider economy? maybe you could explain how a budget deficit, one component of public finance, constitutes a swamping of the economy, then... or is that another jab in a long line of non-sequitur hypocrisy?

Do you have any idea how big a $1.5 Trillion deficit is?

And the Progressives keep adding to it in any way possible. Extend unemployment 100 years, fund state deficits, give all federal employees a raise, and on and on and on.

It's less than one tenth of the Financial sector's $17T contribution to our total debt overhead.

Why should those who produce and serve for their living subsidize those who gamble with other people's money and then run to the state for their annual bonus in bad years?

By the way...the Soviet Bear is gone.
Red baiting's another dog who won't fight.

There have been recent polls showing among younger Americans Socialism is preferred to capitalism.

And that was before BP.

 

[Big Fitz]

Time to cast "Commie Summoning level 0"

The Leftist Rainbow.

When looking at results...

Liberalism = Socialism = Communism = Marxism = Progressivism = Fascism

They all result in total collective government control and crush the individual who is made nothing more than a slave.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

weren't you the clown who claimed progressive marxists utopians were the cats who over-play the role of government in the wider economy? maybe you could explain how a budget deficit, one component of public finance, constitutes a swamping of the economy, then... or is that another jab in a long line of non-sequitur hypocrisy?

Do you have any idea how big a $1.5 Trillion deficit is?

And the Progressives keep adding to it in any way possible. Extend unemployment 100 years, fund state deficits, give all federal employees a raise, and on and on and on.

It's less than one tenth of the Financial sector's $17T contribution to our total debt overhead.

Why should those who produce and serve for their living subsidize those who gamble with other people's money and then run to the state for their annual bonus in bad years?

By the way...the Soviet Bear is gone.
Red baiting's another dog who won't fight.

There have been recent polls showing among younger Americans Socialism is preferred to capitalism.

And that was before BP.

Are you upset that we have a private Financial sector, Comrade?

You know the government now controls 100% of the mortgage market, right? Is that what you'd like to see for all US industry, a complete government takeover?

 

[hipeter924]

Time to cast "Commie Summoning level 0"

The Leftist Rainbow.

When looking at results...

Liberalism = Socialism = Communism = Marxism = Progressivism = Fascism

They all result in total collective government control and crush the individual who is made nothing more than a slave.

Nope, as with all communist/extreme liberal societies they have an elite military/government group that have all the wealth and power:

(...)society is divided into two classes: one of planners and management, who live high above the Earth in luxurious skyscrapers; and one of workers, who live and toil underground(...)

Metropolis (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
^This is what liberal societies always turn into

So they are not just slaves, but objects.

 

[Big Fitz]

Have you WATCHED Metropolis? Slaves are objects. Just complex objects. Its application is exactlly as I've pointed out. and what you said here:

all communist/extreme liberal societies they have an elite military/government group that have all the wealth and power

Is my very point. You are functioning on the mechanism to the actual end. The only thing that varies is who belongs to that elite group? In all actuality it is an attempt to return to feudalism, with a new elite class is all.

 

[hipeter924]

Have you WATCHED Metropolis? Slaves are objects. Just complex objects. Its application is exactlly as I've pointed out. and what you said here:

all communist/extreme liberal societies they have an elite military/government group that have all the wealth and power

Is my very point. You are functioning on the mechanism to the actual end. The only thing that varies is who belongs to that elite group? In all actuality it is an attempt to return to feudalism, with a new elite class is all.

The working class are equal (and poor), but the military/government elite live in Palaces with fine dining, and a paradise like existence and the workers can only reach higher by joining the military/government class. Yep I agree, Feudalism fits that perfectly.

 

[MikeK]

Socialism sucks every time and everywhere it's been tired.

[...]

Somebody told you that, right?

And lessaiz faire capitalism is good, right?

If you know the difference between socialism and communism I would be interested in reading your fundamental explanation. You could start by telling us why Social Security sucks, and Medicare sucks, and public education sucks, and public transportation sucks, and what you believe would be better alternatives.

 

[Big Fitz]

Socialism sucks every time and everywhere it's been tired.

[...]

Somebody told you that, right?

And lessaiz faire capitalism is good, right?

If you know the difference between socialism and communism I would be interested in reading your fundamental explanation. You could start by telling us why Social Security sucks, and Medicare sucks, and public education sucks, and public transportation sucks, and what you believe would be better alternatives.

Please cite the post where anyone has suggested Lassaiez Faire capitalism.

Redacto in Absurdum fail

Since all those programs are, or will soon be or are actively bankrupting this nation, please explain why they are sacred cows to be spared all cuts and reform? Particularly since they account for the majority of the federal budget unconstitutionally. Time to remove precedent and get back to legal roots.

 

[hipeter924]

Socialism sucks every time and everywhere it's been tired.

[...]

Somebody told you that, right?

And lessaiz faire capitalism is good, right?

If you know the difference between socialism and communism I would be interested in reading your fundamental explanation. You could start by telling us why Social Security sucks, and Medicare sucks, and public education sucks, and public transportation sucks, and what you believe would be better alternatives.

1. Good pay and living standards come with a nice job (not with a benefit taken from other peoples wallets).

2. What use is Medicare if the pharmaceutical companies still charge for drugs like there is no tomorrow and poor and average people can't afford them.

3. It does since on average private schools give a better quality of education (in America at least), and a good alternative to public school would be parent-teacher association run schools (with small class sizes and agreed upon wages), perhaps even teachers can teach kids at their home cutting costs further.

4. Public transport? Last I checked public transport is owned by private companies.

 

[antagon]

There have been recent polls showing among younger Americans Socialism is preferred to capitalism.

And that was before BP.

i dont believe most of us of any age are aware of what socialism is, really.

can you provide one of your links to this 'recent poll'?