Communism Outside The Gulag

Discussion in 'Writing' started by PoliticalChic, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. PoliticalChic
    Online

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    83,063
    Thanks Received:
    23,796
    Trophy Points:
    2,260
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +55,540

    Another moron joins the fray.


    Bernie Sanders is a communist.

    Communists decry private property to the extent that they starved 10 million men, women and children to death to prove that point.


    Did I mention that you're a moron?
     
  2. dudmuck
    Offline

    dudmuck Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2017
    Messages:
    4,439
    Thanks Received:
    598
    Trophy Points:
    195
    Location:
    Camarillo, CA
    Ratings:
    +3,545
    Do you understand what communism is? Its where you have a classless society, where everything is owned by everybody.
    By contrast, Sanders is a democratic socialist. This is where you have democratic management of economy with emphasis on market socialism. This system accepts a certain level of inequality, but attempts to keep it at reasonable levels; where there are still classes, but differences between classes arent so extreme. Under market socialism, you still have support for private property, and you have support for equal opportunity.
    Its just a reality these days with growing inequality, the equal opportunity is degraded.
     
  3. PoliticalChic
    Online

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    83,063
    Thanks Received:
    23,796
    Trophy Points:
    2,260
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +55,540

    Back, begging for another lesson???

    No prob....


    1. " [At] the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.


    2. ...graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



    But ".... the liberal media elite have suddenly stopped calling him socialist. He’s now cleaned up as a “progressive” or “pragmatist.” NYPost, Op. Cit.


    Socialist....communist....and Progressive.....

    Distinctions without differences.


    3." ... Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies. [Before Maxine Waters, too!]


    ... Sanders in 1981 managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vt., where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts. Local small businesses distributed fliers complaining their new mayor “does not believe in free enterprise.”



    4. His radical activities didn’t stop at the water’s edge. Sanders took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.


    In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a “heroic revolution.” Undermining anti-communist US policy, Sanders denounced the Reagan administration’s backing of the Contra rebels in a letter to the Sandinistas.


    “The Sandinista government has more support among the Nicaraguan people — substantially more support — than Ronald Reagan has among the American people,” Sanders told Vermont government-access TV in 1985." Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



    5. "Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.


    Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post



    6."Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua and other communist states to America.


    For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects.


    Price tag: $18 trillion.


    Who will pay for it all? You will. Sanders plans to not only soak the rich with a 90 percent-plus tax rate, while charging Wall Street a “speculation tax,” but hit every American with a “global-warming tax.”


    Of course, even that wouldn’t cover the cost of his communist schemes; a President Sanders would eventually soak the middle class he claims to champion. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, right?


    QED, Bernie Sanders, communist.


    If you'd like a lesson on why the difference between socialism and Bolshevism is a difference without a distinction, don't hesitate to whine....er, ask.
     
  4. alang1216
    Offline

    alang1216 Pragmatist

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2014
    Messages:
    6,509
    Thanks Received:
    523
    Trophy Points:
    185
    Location:
    Virginia
    Ratings:
    +2,087
    Who are these 'some' people who shrug at the 100 million slaughtered? They need to be shot!
     
  5. PoliticalChic
    Online

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    83,063
    Thanks Received:
    23,796
    Trophy Points:
    2,260
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +55,540

    When I pointed out that his antecedents, the communists, slaughtered 100 million men, women and children.....this individual sneered at the deaths this way:


    "Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
    FDR Admiration Society


    You can take it up directly with him.
    FDR Admiration Society
     
  6. alang1216
    Offline

    alang1216 Pragmatist

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2014
    Messages:
    6,509
    Thanks Received:
    523
    Trophy Points:
    185
    Location:
    Virginia
    Ratings:
    +2,087
    That is weak, even by your standards. :lame2:

    sar·casm
    ˈsärˌkazəm/
    noun
    1. the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
      "his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment"
      synonyms: derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing;
      irony;
      cynicism
      "well, it's easy to see that she got her biting sarcasm from her mother"
     
  7. PoliticalChic
    Online

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    83,063
    Thanks Received:
    23,796
    Trophy Points:
    2,260
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +55,540


    You never seem to miss the chance to dissemble.

    Dissemble
    verb (used with object), dissembled, dissembling.
    1.
    to give a false or misleading appearance to; conceal the truth or real nature of:



    You must be a Liberal, huh?
     
  8. PoliticalChic
    Online

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    83,063
    Thanks Received:
    23,796
    Trophy Points:
    2,260
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +55,540
    5. As pointed out, every iteration of collectivism is essentially the same...communal property rather than private property.

    That means all of these:
    Socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Fascism, Progressivism, and Communism.

    But all aren't equally bad, equally harsh....but all have the same fundamental basis: the individual counts for nothing.



    One would have imagined that the defenders of the above might have pointed out a pretty good example: the Israeli kibbutz.



    Those who have studied existentialism are familiar with the philosopher Martin Buber.

    “In his book Paths in Utopia, which remains one of the most powerful critiques of authoritarian socialism, he claimed that this movement [the kibbutz] was one example of a non-authoritarian, libertarian or "utopian" socialism that had not failed.”
    https://www.peacenews.info/node/3979/martin-bubers-paths-utopia-kibbutz-experiment-didnt-fail




    Buber spoke too soon.

    Next.
     
  9. PoliticalChic
    Online

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    83,063
    Thanks Received:
    23,796
    Trophy Points:
    2,260
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +55,540
    6.The Israeli Kibbutz was an enviable attempt to exhibit the best features of socialism. When Buber wrote the above, it seemed destined to succeed….a utopian society expressing some of the noblest of aspirations.

    I had the opportunity to visit the Middle East last summer, and stayed at a hotel that had been a kibbutz, Hotel Hagoshrim.
    [​IMG]

    Visitors were given a lecture by Hannah Levi, who has worked at Hagoshim for over 60 years....from its communist beginnings to the current, capitalist principles.

    "Israeli Kibbutz transformed from farm to resort."

    Israeli Kibbutz transformed from farm to resort





    What happened to the kibbutz is a cautionary tale about socialism/Liberalism itself.


    Next.
     
  10. PoliticalChic
    Online

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    83,063
    Thanks Received:
    23,796
    Trophy Points:
    2,260
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +55,540
    7. Communal property rights, e.g., communism…..or socialism via the Liberal ploy, regulation…..is based on a lack of understanding of human nature.

    That’s why Marx, Lenin, ….and Hillary Clinton….all claimed that they could change human nature.



    The kibbutz was socialism at its finest.

    And, a failure.


    “On a kibbutz, everyone is equal and no one owns any more, or any less, than anyone else. A kibbutz member dedicates his life to the collective good of the society. Since everyone is equal, all the members rotate jobs, taking a turn at each - cleaning the chicken coop one year, running the front office the next. In return the kibbutz provides for all of the member's needs - food, clothing, shelter, medicine, education for the member's children.

    With all needs cared for, the kibbutz theory goes, a member needs to own little money. And so kibbutz members are given a small annual allowance for personal needs ….- no member should own more or live better than any other.

    When the day came, as it did to virtually all kibbutzim, that members were no longer willing to crowd around the one television set in the clubhouse, the kibbutz had to buy televisions for every member at the same time. When efficiency apartments were no longer large enough to satisfy members, all at once new apartments had to be built for each family. All of that meant “borrowing large sums of money.” Debts Make Israelis Rethink an Ideal: The Kibbutz


    “In 1989, however, the 3% of the Israeli population then living on the kibbutz had accumulated debts exceeding $4 billion.”
    Tom Bethell, “The Noblest Triumph,” p.50



    Not convinced?

    Try Venezuela.
    “Venezuelans lose average of 19 lb in weight due to nationwide food shortages, study suggests”
    Economic crisis causes Venezuelans to lose average of 19lb in weight
     

Share This Page