Common sense gun regulations--need to be passed now.

[9thIDdoc]

Here is what we do...Guns kill tens of thousands of people every year,,,so we ban semi-auto's with fines of 5 years in prison the first time and life the second. Time to treat these people the same way as we do with drug dealers.

You are almost certainly going to need a constitutional amendment to accomplish that. If then. And that is never going to happen. But you feel free to make a fool of yourself by using your time trouble and money and the rest of us could certainly use a good laugh.

 

[Mousterian]

The yokels down in Oz have hit on a novel response. They tried banning guns, but the damn crims are STILL shooting each other...
American Gun Owner Worried Government Is Going To Take His Schools Away From Him

 

[usmbguest5318]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Here are my suggestions.

Eschew the vulgar self-commendation of pointing out your brother's mussed hair, for doing so does not make your mop look any more presentable. Better that you lend him your comb before I see either of you.
-- Dad admonishing us not to be "social climbers"​

It's great to see someone here offer positive suggestions about how to reduce the incidence of gun injuries and deaths. That alone illustrates at least levels of concern and sindeerity reflects more effort invested solutioneering than we've seen from GOP elected office holders in God-only-knows how many years.

What one sees from USMB Conservatives strikes me as even more lame for it seems all I've ever from them seen is protestations and attestations about what won't work. Indeed, I have yet to see one USMB Conservative take any proactive suggestions posited here and offer constructive ideas that either directly build on them and/or aid others in doing so rather than attempt to discount, diminish and destroy them.

He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help.
-- Abraham Lincoln

​

1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.

The matter of banning certain weapons is something about which my best friend and I differ. Whereas he's of the mind that it's what must be done to reduce gun-related deaths and injuries, I'm of the mind that while it'd probably work if very stringently implemented, it's not worth trying to do because that effort would be so all consuming and not likely to prevail, thereby distracting resources from other less sweeping changes that might collectively produce similarly pleasing outcomes. That said, were such policies implemented, I wouldn't complain about them.

2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.

The sentiment of these suggestions is great, and I think you're on the right track in that you're thinking of means by which to setup a behavioral cost-benefit calculus that potential and actual firearm owners would and should perform prior to engaging in a firearm transaction/relationship. The challenge with establishing such an "equation" is that the "teacher" must have an efficient and effective means for identifying inadequacy in one's solving the equation. To wit, how many kids don't do assignments they know, with a high degree of certainty, will never be reviewed or graded? We both know the answer: only the most committed/exceptional ones.

As goes the behavior of the most exceptional-/committed-to-gun-security gun owners, sellers and would-be owners and sellers, it's probably not their behavior with which a society desirous of reducing gun injuries/death most need concern itself. To catalyze compliance among owners/sellers and would-be owners/sellers who incline toward being less diligent (to whatever degree), however, instructions about what be desired behavior must be accompanied by existential enforcement

So looking at your ideas quoted just above, I think the "thou shalt" and "thou shalt not" are mostly reasonable enough, but I suggest you think of what "or else" elements you might add to them so as to transform your suggestions into a coherent whole that pushes gun transaction participants to exercise the utmost circumspection prior to engaging in the transaction and relationship with both trading partners and with firearms.

5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.

Fine.

6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.

There you go. This idea has an implicit "thou shalt not" along with the makings of an "or else."

• Thou shalt not purchase guns on behalf of others.
• Or else, should a gun last lawfully purchased by thee be used unlawfully, thou shalt be subject to the same penalties attendant to the crime in which the gun was used.

Personally, I'd add that the burden of proof for this provision be that of strict liability rather than that of general or specific intent.

7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

Fine

 

[usmbguest5318]

There hasn't been 18 school shootings this year

??? Are you griping because the number is at least 19 rather than 18? Did you not notice that there were 17 school kids shot in FL the other day. A few weeks earlier two more kids were shot deadand 17 were wounded in a KY school.

 

[Vastator]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Shall not be infringed...” If you want different gun laws; pack your bags...

 

[usmbguest5318]

Who do we vote for if we want to protect the constitution and instead hold the shooters responsible?

??? I don't understand what it means to "...want to protect...and instead..."

 

[Frankeneinstein]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

The only thing that will stop these killings is America taking a stand against left wing attitudes, none of these things were a problem before the 60's, lose the liberal mind set and the constitution will no longer need to be under attack...though it is as easy as just looking back for the proof you will never ever get liberals to admit that the 60's ideals are what ails America...once they admit there folly they are dead in the water

 

[NightFox]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Question: if you were to get all the legislation passed and signed into law that you are asking for here, what are you going to want after the next mass shooting happens?

 

[NYcarbineer]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Shall not be infringed...” If you want different gun laws; pack your bags...

If the above are unconstitutional, let the courts decide that.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

What would you like to do about single mothers, and violence on TV and movie and video games.

Do you side with Al and Tipper Gore and want the Govt to step in and take control?

Should only married people be allowed to have children and anyone not married found to be pregnant gets a forced abortion?

 

[BlackSand]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

You have absolutely nothing to offer in any sort of compromise ...
You have no leverage for negotiations ...


Go pound sand ...


.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Shall not be infringed...” If you want different gun laws; pack your bags...

I assume then you are against all infringements of the freedom of speech as well? Do you think we should legally be allowed to yell fire in a crowded place?

Liable and slander laws infringe on the rights of free speech, I assume you are against those as well.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

1. No
2. No
3. Agree
4. No
5. Agree
6. Agree, if you are buying a weapon for someone who intends to use that weapon in a crime
7. No. There are hundreds on the no fly list that have no record at all.

 

[NightFox]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

What would you like to do about single mothers, and violence on TV and movie and video games.

Do you side with Al and Tipper Gore and want the Govt to step in and take control?

Should only married people be allowed to have children and anyone not married found to be pregnant gets a forced abortion?

Under our system of government it's a certainty that You cannot legislate morality or values, nor can you cure societal decadence via fiat, the best you can do is regulate behavior around the margins and that won't solve the ROOT causes here.

The poster you are responding to is right on target regarding root causes and there are no easy fixes, especially in an environment of decaying institutions, amoral leaders and a widespread glorification of violence; the only thing that's clear is that IF those problems are going to be solved it can only be accomplished with leadership capable of persuading the public that the solutions are worth the personal sacrifices that it will take to achieve them and that leadership has to be able to serve a role model for the objective .

Augustus was able to resolve similar challenges during the early days of Empire, some of it was done by fiat but mostly he did it because he persuaded the people that the objective was worthwhile and thus pulled them together to overcome the decadence and disunity that had been largely responsible for the death of the Republic. Whether or not the United States is even capable of achieving the same type of cultural renaissance is an open question but given the current state of affairs I find the possibility highly dubious.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

What would you like to do about single mothers, and violence on TV and movie and video games.

Do you side with Al and Tipper Gore and want the Govt to step in and take control?

Should only married people be allowed to have children and anyone not married found to be pregnant gets a forced abortion?

Under our system of government it's a certainty that You cannot legislate morality or values, nor can you cure societal decadence via fiat, the best you can do is regulate behavior around the margins and that won't solve the ROOT causes here.

The poster you are responding to is right on target regarding root causes and there are no easy fixes, especially in an environment of decaying institutions, amoral leaders and a widespread glorification of violence; the only thing that's clear is that IF those problems are going to be solved it can only be accomplished with leadership capable of persuading the public that the solutions are worth the personal sacrifices that it will take to achieve them and that leadership has to be able to serve a role model for the objective .

Augustus was able to resolve similar challenges during the early days of Empire, some of it was done by fiat but mostly he did it because he persuaded the people that the objective was worthwhile and thus pulled them together to overcome the decadence and disunity that had been largely responsible for the death of the Republic. Whether or not the United States is even capable of achieving the same type of cultural renaissance is an open question but given the current state of affairs I find the possibility highly dubious.

I share your skepticism of the US being able to do that. We are too divided down party lines so that if one side has a good idea the other side will automatically reject it no matter what. My son is still in High School and he is very politically active, as far as a 15 year old can be, as are his friends. Talking with them I have more hope for the future, but I am not sure if they are outliers or the norm.

 

[BlackSand]

Liable and slander laws infringe on the rights of free speech, I assume you are against those as well.

Without being nit-picky ... I am certain "shall not be infringed" is nowhere in the First Amendment ...

It does mention ... "no laws " ... In regards to religion.
It does mention the "abridging" of free speech or press.
It does mention the right to "peaceable assembly".

.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Liable and slander laws infringe on the rights of free speech, I assume you are against those as well.

Without being nit-picky ... I am certain "shall not be infringed" is nowhere in the First Amendment ...

It does mention ... "no laws " ... In regards to religion.
It does mention the "abridging" of free speech or press.

.

You are correct, but the meaning of both in the context is basically the same. One means to limit one means to curtial.

 

[BlackSand]

You are correct, but the meaning of both in the context is basically the same. One means to limit one means to curtial.

I am willing to accept you believe it means something it doesn't actually state ...

.

 

[NightFox]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

What would you like to do about single mothers, and violence on TV and movie and video games.

Do you side with Al and Tipper Gore and want the Govt to step in and take control?

Should only married people be allowed to have children and anyone not married found to be pregnant gets a forced abortion?

Under our system of government it's a certainty that You cannot legislate morality or values, nor can you cure societal decadence via fiat, the best you can do is regulate behavior around the margins and that won't solve the ROOT causes here.

The poster you are responding to is right on target regarding root causes and there are no easy fixes, especially in an environment of decaying institutions, amoral leaders and a widespread glorification of violence; the only thing that's clear is that IF those problems are going to be solved it can only be accomplished with leadership capable of persuading the public that the solutions are worth the personal sacrifices that it will take to achieve them and that leadership has to be able to serve a role model for the objective .

Augustus was able to resolve similar challenges during the early days of Empire, some of it was done by fiat but mostly he did it because he persuaded the people that the objective was worthwhile and thus pulled them together to overcome the decadence and disunity that had been largely responsible for the death of the Republic. Whether or not the United States is even capable of achieving the same type of cultural renaissance is an open question but given the current state of affairs I find the possibility highly dubious.

I share your skepticism of the US being able to do that. We are too divided down party lines so that if one side has a good idea the other side will automatically reject it no matter what. My son is still in High School and he is very politically active, as far as a 15 year old can be, as are his friends. Talking with them I have more hope for the future, but I am not sure if they are outliers or the norm.

The eternal optimist in me would say that "Where there is enlightened youth there is hope" so one hopes that your 15-year old is more the "norm" and not an "outlier"..

Of course then the realist jumps up to remind me that "Those that fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it", which leads me to the conclusion that we, like those that came before us, are in the process of killing off our Republic, what comes after that is anybody's guess but many of the likely scenarios are not pleasant.

We need an Augustus, yet all we have are a bunch of clowns-R & D singularly engaged in bickering over which side gets to loot the larger share of what remains.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You are correct, but the meaning of both in the context is basically the same. One means to limit one means to curtial.

I am willing to accept you believe it means something it doesn't actually state ...

.

Whatever makes you happy!