Common ground?

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    This is an interesting.(I thought)


    I came across the following statements that were presented as some that both atheists and theists could agree to.

    I can agree with them, can you?

    1: That God (if there is one) is that than which nothing greater can be conceived.

    2: That this would be an adequate object of such theistic religious attitudes.

    3: That this is turn is the being (if such a being exists) that is most worthy of worship

    4: That there can be no logically necessary beings

    5: An eternal being could not come into being or cease to exist.

    6: That God (if there is one) is an eternal being.

    7: We cannot sensibly ask if an eternal being exists. If it is an eternal being it must
    exist. Still there may be no eternal beings.

    8: The God of our theistic religions, if he exists, is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly
    good.

    9: There is evil in the world.

    10: There is considerable agreement (though not complete) that an omnipotent God
    cannot do what is logically impossible and that that is no limit on his omnipotence.
    There is also agreement that God (if there is one) can do anything that is logically
    possible to do. (if he can act at all)

    So there it is. I would appreciate it (if you care to comment) that you not get wordy and argumentative. Just agree or disagree. I don't really give a damn why.

    Or start your own thread!
     
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    The cosmological argument as lifted from: Arguments for the Existence of God (some emphasis added).

    I happen not to believe that this is actually a valid argument, but it pretty tough to refute.
     
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    As to the FIRST statement in the OP, that is known more commonly as the
    -- Lifted (with some edits) from the same source as my prior post: Arguments for the Existence of God .
     
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    The sign of a limited intellect who can't cope with debate. That tells me all I need to know about it.
     
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    This one is pretty interesting, too (but might be evaded by modern physics and the notions of quantum physics):

    Arguments for the Existence of God
     
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    Alrighty then, I disagree. Enjoy your thread!
     
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    Forgive me. I realize this is a very difficult subject. Folks tend to get carried away and offer up pages of refutation. (is that a word) I just wanted to keep it down to a reasonable amount of pace.
     
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    And because I do believe it....... :)
    We aren't capable of understanding the power of God. Nor can we find common ground based on limited knowledge of what almighty really means.
    Take# 5. If you start out with an erroneous premise, then what good is an opinion regarding it?
    Liability makes a good point concerning the laws of thermal dynamics:
    Open your palms and put nothing in both, then clap them together and show me what you created.
     
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