Coming to America soon. Very Soon.

[Capstone]

To Publius:

And?

Even granting the legitimacy of your data (which I don't, BTW), the abilities of many poor families to purchase things beyond the bare necessities are contingent on social programs that many Republicans are bent on destroying.

 

[Publius1787]

To Publius:

And?

Even granting the legitimacy of your data (which I don't, BTW), the abilities of many poor families to purchase things beyond the bare necessities are contingent on social programs that many Republicans are bent on destroying.

Yes, I suppose all those Governmental agencies that liberals love so much clearly listed at the bottom of each chart are cooking the books. And with a 40% home ownership rate, a 40% renters rate, and an 18% subsidized housing rate among the "poor" who can afford anything but the bare necessities like video games, DVD players, cell phones etc etc etc... Uh Oh, it seems that less than 1% own a jacuzzi!!! We need to remedy that asap!

 

[HUGGY]

Haunting pictures show desperate struggle to survive in last days of USSR

1 January 2013



Hard times: Eighteen-year-old prostitute Katya scours the street for work as a police car drives past in Moscow in 1991 shortly before the collapse of the USSR

These shocking pictures may look like something out of the Great Depression - but in fact they show life in the last years of the Soviet Union, less than three decades ago.

Shop shelves were often bare, it was normal to have to join a long queue if you wanted to buy groceries and many of the people looked ground down after a century of desperate poverty.

The dismal state of the USSR's economy, during a time of rapidly improving living standards in the West, was a result of its dogmatic Communist political system, which stifled free enterprise and stopped the country moving on from its feudal past.

As these images show, by the 1980s that system was close to collapse, as Mikhail Gorbachev's liberalising reforms did little more than open the door to ever louder clamours for change - and on Boxing Day 1991, just a few years after these photos were taken, the Soviet Union was finally dissolved.

Read more:
Last pictures of life behind the iron curtain before the collapse of USSR | Mail Online

Get a grip Nostradamus... This isn't the USSR. We will never face anything like what the Russians went through. For the most part when things get crazy we work together to fix the problem. The Russians are a beat down society purged of all of their intellectuals and detractors within their country. We have encouraged our brightest and that is our edge... innovation.

 

[Doc91678]

Lemme get this straight. You have shelter, food, healthcare, heat, air conditioner, cable tv, and transportation, but because you don't make as much as most your in poverty?

Not to concede that several of those luxuries are as widespread as you apparently believe, but I suppose you won't be happy until they're not available to anyone who can't afford them.

Then we can all look upon the census results taken by Maobama as a lie?

 

[Publius1787]

Lemme get this straight. You have shelter, food, healthcare, heat, air conditioner, cable tv, and transportation, but because you don't make as much as most your in poverty?

Not to concede that several of those luxuries are as widespread as you apparently believe, but I suppose you won't be happy until they're not available to anyone who can't afford them.

Then we can all look upon the census results taken by Maobama as a lie?

Thats exactly what he is saying. Since the facts don't fit his narrative they must be false. Even though they were done by agencies of liberal praise and creation.

 

[Publius1787]

Haunting pictures show desperate struggle to survive in last days of USSR

1 January 2013



Hard times: Eighteen-year-old prostitute Katya scours the street for work as a police car drives past in Moscow in 1991 shortly before the collapse of the USSR

These shocking pictures may look like something out of the Great Depression - but in fact they show life in the last years of the Soviet Union, less than three decades ago.

Shop shelves were often bare, it was normal to have to join a long queue if you wanted to buy groceries and many of the people looked ground down after a century of desperate poverty.

The dismal state of the USSR's economy, during a time of rapidly improving living standards in the West, was a result of its dogmatic Communist political system, which stifled free enterprise and stopped the country moving on from its feudal past.

As these images show, by the 1980s that system was close to collapse, as Mikhail Gorbachev's liberalising reforms did little more than open the door to ever louder clamours for change - and on Boxing Day 1991, just a few years after these photos were taken, the Soviet Union was finally dissolved.

Read more:
Last pictures of life behind the iron curtain before the collapse of USSR | Mail Online

Reminds me of the "Running of the Obama Voters." See below courtesy of "Think Progress."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXm7lSb18L8]Dallas housing voucher stampede - YouTube[/ame]

 

[gallantwarrior]

Haunting pictures show desperate struggle to survive in last days of USSR

1 January 2013



Hard times: Eighteen-year-old prostitute Katya scours the street for work as a police car drives past in Moscow in 1991 shortly before the collapse of the USSR

These shocking pictures may look like something out of the Great Depression - but in fact they show life in the last years of the Soviet Union, less than three decades ago.

Shop shelves were often bare, it was normal to have to join a long queue if you wanted to buy groceries and many of the people looked ground down after a century of desperate poverty.

The dismal state of the USSR's economy, during a time of rapidly improving living standards in the West, was a result of its dogmatic Communist political system, which stifled free enterprise and stopped the country moving on from its feudal past.

As these images show, by the 1980s that system was close to collapse, as Mikhail Gorbachev's liberalising reforms did little more than open the door to ever louder clamours for change - and on Boxing Day 1991, just a few years after these photos were taken, the Soviet Union was finally dissolved.

Read more:
Last pictures of life behind the iron curtain before the collapse of USSR | Mail Online

I have a Russian friend, a woman who lived through that nightmare. She's always chiding us that we have nothing to complain about. I haven't seen her in a while, I wonder what she sees coming for us now? I also studied Russian and the Soviet Union...I've seen Soviets visiting the US cry when faced with the produce aisle at a typical American supermarket. So tragic that so many Americans have no idea what they are giving up...

 

[gallantwarrior]

Haunting pictures show desperate struggle to survive in last days of USSR

1 January 2013



Hard times: Eighteen-year-old prostitute Katya scours the street for work as a police car drives past in Moscow in 1991 shortly before the collapse of the USSR

These shocking pictures may look like something out of the Great Depression - but in fact they show life in the last years of the Soviet Union, less than three decades ago.

Shop shelves were often bare, it was normal to have to join a long queue if you wanted to buy groceries and many of the people looked ground down after a century of desperate poverty.

The dismal state of the USSR's economy, during a time of rapidly improving living standards in the West, was a result of its dogmatic Communist political system, which stifled free enterprise and stopped the country moving on from its feudal past.

As these images show, by the 1980s that system was close to collapse, as Mikhail Gorbachev's liberalising reforms did little more than open the door to ever louder clamours for change - and on Boxing Day 1991, just a few years after these photos were taken, the Soviet Union was finally dissolved.

Read more:
Last pictures of life behind the iron curtain before the collapse of USSR | Mail Online

If we see hunger here, we will see it because of the effects of a changing climate on agriculture. As for the poor Russian prostitute, you can, in any American city, see even worse, as younger prostitutes than that work the streets in order the get their fix of meth.

Keep going the way we are, you will most definitely see the same, and worse, here. This whole socialist schtick has been tried and proven a failure...we will do no better than the soviets did, and for all the same reasons they fail, so will we.

 

[gallantwarrior]

This is what liberals mean by equality. Equally poor.

And what conservatives usually mean by 'freedom' ...is the freedom of others to live in abject poverty.

Or the freedom not to live in abject poverty.

 

[Publius1787]

Haunting pictures show desperate struggle to survive in last days of USSR

1 January 2013



Hard times: Eighteen-year-old prostitute Katya scours the street for work as a police car drives past in Moscow in 1991 shortly before the collapse of the USSR

These shocking pictures may look like something out of the Great Depression - but in fact they show life in the last years of the Soviet Union, less than three decades ago.

Shop shelves were often bare, it was normal to have to join a long queue if you wanted to buy groceries and many of the people looked ground down after a century of desperate poverty.

The dismal state of the USSR's economy, during a time of rapidly improving living standards in the West, was a result of its dogmatic Communist political system, which stifled free enterprise and stopped the country moving on from its feudal past.

As these images show, by the 1980s that system was close to collapse, as Mikhail Gorbachev's liberalising reforms did little more than open the door to ever louder clamours for change - and on Boxing Day 1991, just a few years after these photos were taken, the Soviet Union was finally dissolved.

Read more:
Last pictures of life behind the iron curtain before the collapse of USSR | Mail Online

I have a Russian friend, a woman who lived through that nightmare. She's always chiding us that we have nothing to complain about. I haven't seen her in a while, I wonder what she sees coming for us now? I also studied Russian and the Soviet Union...I've seen Soviets visiting the US cry when faced with the produce aisle at a typical American supermarket. So tragic that so many Americans have no idea what they are giving up...

Here is one that came to the U.S. and is not blogging satire of the Obama Admin. The People's Cube - Political Humor & Satire - as seen on GBTV

 

[gallantwarrior]

Lemme get this straight. You have shelter, food, healthcare, heat, air conditioner, cable tv, and transportation, but because you don't make as much as most your in poverty?

Not to concede that several of those luxuries are as widespread as you apparently believe, but I suppose you won't be happy until they're not available to anyone who can't afford them.

The operative word here is "afford". If they cannot afford more than shelter and food, tough shit. Maybe they should reconsider their life choices in order to "afford" all the frills.

 

[Capstone]

Yes, I suppose all those Governmental agencies that liberals love so much clearly listed at the bottom of each chart are cooking the books.

The reason I don't grant the legitimacy of the data (as presented by Heritage.org) is because I haven't studied the polling methodology or any of the other methods used by the US Dept. of Energy under the Bush administration (2001, 2005) to collect the relevant information.

As for the more up-to-date pie chart on housing:

And with a 40% home ownership rate, a 40% renters rate, and an 18% subsidized housing rate among the "poor" who can afford anything but the bare necessities?

Yes, believe it or not, it's often cheaper to buy than it is to rent, especially in neighborhoods nobody really wants to live in -- so big fucking whoop.

But let me see if I'm picking up what you're putting down: you seem to be suggesting, that since many poor Americans have roofs over their heads, TV's, VCR's, DVD players, video game systems, ETC. (never mind that much of that stuff is dirt cheap second-hand), we should therefore undercut social programs to ensure that poor Americans really do live in abject poverty?

 

[Doc91678]

Haunting pictures show desperate struggle to survive in last days of USSR

1 January 2013



Hard times: Eighteen-year-old prostitute Katya scours the street for work as a police car drives past in Moscow in 1991 shortly before the collapse of the USSR

These shocking pictures may look like something out of the Great Depression - but in fact they show life in the last years of the Soviet Union, less than three decades ago.

Shop shelves were often bare, it was normal to have to join a long queue if you wanted to buy groceries and many of the people looked ground down after a century of desperate poverty.

The dismal state of the USSR's economy, during a time of rapidly improving living standards in the West, was a result of its dogmatic Communist political system, which stifled free enterprise and stopped the country moving on from its feudal past.

As these images show, by the 1980s that system was close to collapse, as Mikhail Gorbachev's liberalising reforms did little more than open the door to ever louder clamours for change - and on Boxing Day 1991, just a few years after these photos were taken, the Soviet Union was finally dissolved.

Read more:
Last pictures of life behind the iron curtain before the collapse of USSR | Mail Online

Get a grip Nostradamus... This isn't the USSR. We will never face anything like what the Russians went through. For the most part when things get crazy we work together to fix the problem. The Russians are a beat down society purged of all of their intellectuals and detractors within their country. We have encouraged our brightest and that is our edge... innovation.

Nostradamus I'm not. I totally agree that this is not the USSR. However, all that I see coming from this Marxist puppet we call president is the same thing that happened in Russia. You cannot spend more than you make. That goes for households as well as gov't. In the end someone is going to pay and it's not the politicians that put us in that position. They will retire to their Dachas in Hawaii, Camyan Islands, or Miami while the rest of us are slaving to pay the debts our gov't placed upon us.

 

[gallantwarrior]

To Publius:

And?

Even granting the legitimacy of your data (which I don't, BTW), the abilities of many poor families to purchase things beyond the bare necessities are contingent on social programs that many Republicans are bent on destroying.

Programs that need to be cut. Buying things beyond the bare necessities might require them to get off their dead asses and work to earn them. I do, they can, too.

 

[Publius1787]

Lemme get this straight. You have shelter, food, healthcare, heat, air conditioner, cable tv, and transportation, but because you don't make as much as most your in poverty?

Not to concede that several of those luxuries are as widespread as you apparently believe, but I suppose you won't be happy until they're not available to anyone who can't afford them.

The operative word here is "afford". If they cannot afford more than shelter and food, tough shit. Maybe they should reconsider their life choices in order to "afford" all the frills.

Certainly a better incentive to work your way out of poverty.

 

[Capstone]

The operative word here is "afford". If they cannot afford more than shelter and food, tough shit. Maybe they should reconsider their life choices in order to "afford" all the frills. [E.A.]

I truly believe many of them would ...if they could only afford to do so.

 

[Publius1787]

Yes, I suppose all those Governmental agencies that liberals love so much clearly listed at the bottom of each chart are cooking the books.

The reason I don't grant the legitimacy of the data (as presented by Heritage.org) is because I haven't studied the polling methodology or any of the other methods used by US Dept. of Energy under the Bush administration (2001, 2005) to collect the relevant information.

As for the more up-to-date pie chart on housing:

And with a 40% home ownership rate, a 40% renters rate, and an 18% subsidized housing rate among the "poor" who can afford anything but the bare necessities?

Yes, believe it or not, it's often cheaper to buy than it is to rent, especially in neighborhoods nobody really wants to live in -- so, big fucking whoop.

So, let me see if I'm picking up what you're putting down: you seem to be suggesting, that since many poor Americans have a roofs over their heads, TV's, VCR's, DVD players, video game systems, ETC. (never mind the fact that much of that stuff is dirt cheap second-hand), we should therefore undercut social programs to ensure that poor Americans live in abject poverty?

Oh, so since the Heritage Foundation got the numbers from the government agencies then they are invalid? I see.

No, the point was that there is no poverty in the United States. I keep my arguments narrow wich is why I didn't take your bait. You want to widen it? Poor should not equal comfort! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954804575381270905814374.html

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer"

- Benjamin Franklin
[On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor (29 November 1766)]

“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association–the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”

Thomas Jefferson

 

[gallantwarrior]

Yes, I suppose all those Governmental agencies that liberals love so much clearly listed at the bottom of each chart are cooking the books.

The reason I don't grant the legitimacy of the data (as presented by Heritage.org) is because I haven't studied the polling methodology or any of the other methods used by US Dept. of Energy under the Bush administration (2001, 2005) to collect the relevant information.

As for the more up-to-date pie chart on housing:

And with a 40% home ownership rate, a 40% renters rate, and an 18% subsidized housing rate among the "poor" who can afford anything but the bare necessities?

Yes, believe it or not, it's often cheaper to buy than it is to rent, especially in neighborhoods nobody really wants to live in -- so, big fucking whoop.

So, let me see if I'm picking up what you're putting down: you seem to be suggesting, that since many poor Americans have a roofs over their heads, TV's, VCR's, DVD players, video game systems, ETC. (never mind the fact that much of that stuff is dirt cheap second-hand), we should therefore undercut social programs to ensure that poor Americans live in abject poverty?

If they have anything more than a roof and chow, they are receiving too much public assistance. All the other crap you list...if they can afford that, they can damned well pay for their own food and shelter. Why should I give a damn about priorities when they obviously don't. I pay for housing and food, they get to buy whatever other shit they want...I don't think so.

 

[gallantwarrior]

The operative word here is "afford". If they cannot afford more than shelter and food, tough shit. Maybe they should reconsider their life choices in order to "afford" all the frills. [E.A.]

I truly believe many of them would ...if they could only afford to do so.

I truly believe most of the would if no other options were available, i.e. taxpayer subsidies.

 

[Capstone]

No, the point was that there is no poverty in the United States.[...]

Not that I agree, but my point was that you (and many conservatives) won't be happy until there is (even by your own narrow standards)...

I keep my arguments narrow.

It suits you. Your mind, I mean.