Colorado votes NO to gay marriage

[bucs90]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us/colorado-rejects-same-sex-civil-unions.html?_r=2&hp

Yet another state to reject gay marriage. And Colorado of all places.

This was a huge fuck up for Team Obama. Most Americans do not support gay marriage. I dont care about the issue, but I DO CARE about defeating Obama. And this topic may have pushed the snowball over the slope that will accumulate enough momentum to grow on itself and kick him out of Washington. Yay!

 

[Flopper]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us/colorado-rejects-same-sex-civil-unions.html?_r=2&hp

Yet another state to reject gay marriage. And Colorado of all places.

This was a huge fuck up for Team Obama. Most Americans do not support gay marriage. I dont care about the issue, but I DO CARE about defeating Obama. And this topic may have pushed the snowball over the slope that will accumulate enough momentum to grow on itself and kick him out of Washington. Yay!

Not quite

GOP leaders funneled the proposal to the House State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee, which is known as a "kill committee" because its members are in safe seats and are unlikely to face political consequences for preventing a bill from reaching the floor. The panel lived up to its billing, voting to kill it 5-4 along party lines.

“We saw this bill die even though a majority of members of the Senate and a majority of members of the House and the governor, as well as a vast majority of Coloradans, want to see this become law,” said Representative Mark Ferrandino of Denver, one of four openly gay state legislators and a sponsor of the bill. “It is very unfortunate. Families across Colorado are going to have to wait longer for equal rights in our state.”

Colorado same-sex union bill killed in special legislative session

 

[WillowTree]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us/colorado-rejects-same-sex-civil-unions.html?_r=2&hp

Yet another state to reject gay marriage. And Colorado of all places.

This was a huge fuck up for Team Obama. Most Americans do not support gay marriage. I dont care about the issue, but I DO CARE about defeating Obama. And this topic may have pushed the snowball over the slope that will accumulate enough momentum to grow on itself and kick him out of Washington. Yay!

Oh god. They look like Mississippi!

 

[bucs90]

According to the gay representative "most" Coloradoans (right term?) want it.

But a majority voted those folks in. And those folks "represent" the people. ANd they voted no to it.

 

[bucs90]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us/colorado-rejects-same-sex-civil-unions.html?_r=2&hp

Yet another state to reject gay marriage. And Colorado of all places.

This was a huge fuck up for Team Obama. Most Americans do not support gay marriage. I dont care about the issue, but I DO CARE about defeating Obama. And this topic may have pushed the snowball over the slope that will accumulate enough momentum to grow on itself and kick him out of Washington. Yay!

Oh god. They look like Mississippi!

Haha, you mean "Oh God, they look like North Carolina".

 

[Katzndogz]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us/colorado-rejects-same-sex-civil-unions.html?_r=2&hp

Yet another state to reject gay marriage. And Colorado of all places.

This was a huge fuck up for Team Obama. Most Americans do not support gay marriage. I dont care about the issue, but I DO CARE about defeating Obama. And this topic may have pushed the snowball over the slope that will accumulate enough momentum to grow on itself and kick him out of Washington. Yay!

That was quite surprising mostly because it also prohibits civil unions.

Gays might have jumped the gun and gotten too socially greedy. Civil unions were gaining ground. Had the homosexual activists tried for civil unions in all 50 states then gone on to equate civil unions with marriage they might have had a chance. Now the public is rejecting both. If the problem was with federal law and DOMA, it would have been far simpler to leave DOMA in place and get the rights of married couples extended to CUPcakes. Then they really would have had what they wanted. Instead, punishing Christians became more important than "rights".

 

[bucs90]

Its the "in your face" activism that turns people off, from any group. I'm all for things like ensuring minorities aren't discriminated against, but in your face tactics from the NAACP turn me off from it. Same with immigration rights, etc, etc.

 

[bodecea]

For now. Time is on our side.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Its the "in your face" activism that turns people off, from any group. I'm all for things like ensuring minorities aren't discriminated against, but in your face tactics from the NAACP turn me off from it. Same with immigration rights, etc, etc.

As opposed to "passive activism" in which everyone just sits arounds and wishes for things to change? Give me a break.

Nothing changes in this country unless people get up, get out and march. You just don't like it when things change because change is scary to you.

 

[Katzndogz]

According to the gay representative "most" Coloradoans (right term?) want it.

But a majority voted those folks in. And those folks "represent" the people. ANd they voted no to it.

According to gay representatives most people in the country want it. Yet the issue keeps losng. Not only losing, but taking quite few careers with it when it does lose.

 

[bucs90]

Its the "in your face" activism that turns people off, from any group. I'm all for things like ensuring minorities aren't discriminated against, but in your face tactics from the NAACP turn me off from it. Same with immigration rights, etc, etc.

As opposed to "passive activism" in which everyone just sits arounds and wishes for things to change? Give me a break.

Nothing changes in this country unless people get up, get out and march. You just don't like it when things change because change is scary to you.

Native Americans have "gotten" a sweeter deal than any other past oppressed subgroup. Their own soverign lands, casinos, etc. They never marched. Reparations have only come to the group that marched the least. Gotta build empathy for a cause, and in your face tactics dont do that.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Its the "in your face" activism that turns people off, from any group. I'm all for things like ensuring minorities aren't discriminated against, but in your face tactics from the NAACP turn me off from it. Same with immigration rights, etc, etc.

As opposed to "passive activism" in which everyone just sits arounds and wishes for things to change? Give me a break.

Nothing changes in this country unless people get up, get out and march. You just don't like it when things change because change is scary to you.

Native Americans have "gotten" a sweeter deal than any other past oppressed subgroup. Their own soverign lands, casinos, etc. They never marched. Reparations have only come to the group that marched the least. Gotta build empathy for a cause, and in your face tactics dont do that.

So if gay people just shut up, 200 years from now they'll get equal access to government benefits? Nope. Sorry. Gay people want access to government benefits now. And there is no good reason not to let them.

FYI Native Americans do march and protest and there is Native American activism.

Denver: Native Activists Arrested Protesting Columbus Day Parade | NowPublic Photo Archives

Indians plan Plymouth Thanksgiving protest - BostonHerald.com

 

[Dick Tuck]

Its the "in your face" activism that turns people off, from any group. I'm all for things like ensuring minorities aren't discriminated against, but in your face tactics from the NAACP turn me off from it. Same with immigration rights, etc, etc.

When people are being denied their equal protection rights, they'll tend to be "in your face."

 

[bodecea]

Its the "in your face" activism that turns people off, from any group. I'm all for things like ensuring minorities aren't discriminated against, but in your face tactics from the NAACP turn me off from it. Same with immigration rights, etc, etc.

As opposed to "passive activism" in which everyone just sits arounds and wishes for things to change? Give me a break.

Nothing changes in this country unless people get up, get out and march. You just don't like it when things change because change is scary to you.

Native Americans have "gotten" a sweeter deal than any other past oppressed subgroup. Their own soverign lands, casinos, etc. They never marched. Reparations have only come to the group that marched the least. Gotta build empathy for a cause, and in your face tactics dont do that.

You didn't pay much attention to the 70s, did you?

 

[bodecea]

African Americans were not "in your face" from 1865 to about 1955....what did it get them?

 

[naturegirl]

But, but weren't some just saying this was about 10 years out of date?? Didn't I read that things are changing.

I've been telling the left that the righties are fed up with what's going on in America, I doubt they'll be staying home in November.

 

[Zander]

Personally, I am in favor of "gay marriage". It is a Libertarian issue for me and I do not condone government discrimination against any group. It seems to me that most people don't have a problem with gays getting the same rights that married people enjoy- they object to the use of the word "marriage". Marriage is a concept that has long been "one man and one woman" (except in a few polygamist societies). Maybe the path of least resistance for gays is to take the "civil union" route, whereby states can grant gay couples the EXACT same rights as married couples, they simply call it something else. Seems like a minor compromise that would accomplish the objective...

 

[Katzndogz]

Personally, I am in favor of "gay marriage". It is a Libertarian issue for me and I do not condone government discrimination against any group. It seems to me that most people don't have a problem with gays getting the same rights that married people enjoy- they object to the use of the word "marriage". Marriage is a concept that has long been "one man and one woman" (except in a few polygamist societies). Maybe the path of least resistance for gays is to take the "civil union" route, whereby states can grant gay couples the EXACT same rights as married couples, they simply call it something else. Seems like a minor compromise that would accomplish the objective...

Civil Union does not permit gay activits to launch discrimination complaints against Churches and other houses of worship.

 

[Listening]

For now. Time is on our side.

So I guess this means you won't be visiting Colorado either ?

 

[sfcalifornia]

Personally, I am in favor of "gay marriage". It is a Libertarian issue for me and I do not condone government discrimination against any group. It seems to me that most people don't have a problem with gays getting the same rights that married people enjoy- they object to the use of the word "marriage". Marriage is a concept that has long been "one man and one woman" (except in a few polygamist societies). Maybe the path of least resistance for gays is to take the "civil union" route, whereby states can grant gay couples the EXACT same rights as married couples, they simply call it something else. Seems like a minor compromise that would accomplish the objective...

So how are you going to prevent people from tossing the word marriage around? Pass a law?

That worked so well when people tried to prevent the word gay from meaning homosexual.

I doubt people will stand around at cocktail parties and talk about how their friends got "civil unionized".