Colorado: Think it Through!

[taichiliberal]

Well, here we go again. Another nut job in Colorado goes on a planned killing spree with a personal arsenal he easily and legally obtained. Pro-gun control and NRA pundits once again fill the internet, radio, television and print media with the old argument: just how many guns are necessary to obtain total personal protection?

The one aspect of all this has always fascinated me: The idea of allowing any law abiding citizen to qualify and carry a concealed weapon anywhere and everywhere in the U.S.A.

You already had some local ex-politician suggest that if you had a few people strapped via a CWP (concealed weapon permit) in that theatre, this tragedy may have had fewer lives lost.

Now let's think that one through: the perpetraitor comes into a dark theatre lit only by the big screen, hurls smoke bombs and then opens fire with a semi-automatic. Panic ensues....people screaming, hiding, running, choking. Now let's add to the mix some CWP citizen brandishing his/her weapon while trying to get a bead on the perpetraitor for a clear shot. Maybe they get jumped and beaten by panicked patrons thinking this person is in league with the killer...maybe the CWP person fires off a few rounds and accidently hits people trying to flee...or maybe the CWP person actually hits and kills the perpetraitor, only to be shot by the police who show up at the scene with very little description, or they get beaten to near death by panicked patrons who literally don't know which end is up.

Bottom line: yes, across the country you've had some incidences where a CWP has stopped a crime....that's a rarity and a specific set of circumstances. Having a population strapped 24/7 like the Old West would NOT have bode well at Columbine, or Virginia Tech...and damned near got the hero of the Arizona shooting killed!

Does this mean we take away everyone's guns? Nope. Does this mean we severely limit weapons to a select few? Nope. But this does mean that we have to take some simple steps to make sure that any joker without a rap sheet can load up for WW3 or some sick Turner Diary fantasy.

Just think it through folks.

 

[WillowTree]

Hey! I hate to burst your bubble cause it was a good speech.. but the stats show that a criminal always has access to weapons.

 

[HenryBHough]

If you look at all the mass and serial killers over the last 400 years you'll find one common factor.

All of them were human.

Obviously we must outlaw reproduction; only then can these crimes be prevented.

Simple enough; an executive powerful enough to force you to buy a commercial product is surely sufficiently powerful to make sterilization compulsory (but tax NOT being sterilized as a first step).

 

[blackhawk]

Well, here we go again. Another nut job in Colorado goes on a planned killing spree with a personal arsenal he easily and legally obtained. Pro-gun control and NRA pundits once again fill the internet, radio, television and print media with the old argument: just how many guns are necessary to obtain total personal protection?

The one aspect of all this has always fascinated me: The idea of allowing any law abiding citizen to qualify and carry a concealed weapon anywhere and everywhere in the U.S.A.

You already had some local ex-politician suggest that if you had a few people strapped via a CWP (concealed weapon permit) in that theatre, this tragedy may have had fewer lives lost.

Now let's think that one through: the perpetraitor comes into a dark theatre lit only by the big screen, hurls smoke bombs and then opens fire with a semi-automatic. Panic ensues....people screaming, hiding, running, choking. Now let's add to the mix some CWP citizen brandishing his/her weapon while trying to get a bead on the perpetraitor for a clear shot. Maybe they get jumped and beaten by panicked patrons thinking this person is in league with the killer...maybe the CWP person fires off a few rounds and accidently hits people trying to flee...or maybe the CWP person actually hits and kills the perpetraitor, only to be shot by the police who show up at the scene with very little description, or they get beaten to near death by panicked patrons who literally don't know which end is up.

Bottom line: yes, across the country you've had some incidences where a CWP has stopped a crime....that's a rarity and a specific set of circumstances. Having a population strapped 24/7 like the Old West would NOT have bode well at Columbine, or Virginia Tech...and damned near got the hero of the Arizona shooting killed!

Does this mean we take away everyone's guns? Nope. Does this mean we severely limit weapons to a select few? Nope. But this does mean that we have to take some simple steps to make sure that any joker without a rap sheet can load up for WW3 or some sick Turner Diary fantasy.

Just think it through folks.

The problem is this guy didn't have a rap sheet they followed the rules ran a background check on him the only thing he had was one speeding ticket.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well, here we go again. Another nut job in Colorado goes on a planned killing spree with a personal arsenal he easily and legally obtained. Pro-gun control and NRA pundits once again fill the internet, radio, television and print media with the old argument: just how many guns are necessary to obtain total personal protection?

The one aspect of all this has always fascinated me: The idea of allowing any law abiding citizen to qualify and carry a concealed weapon anywhere and everywhere in the U.S.A.

You already had some local ex-politician suggest that if you had a few people strapped via a CWP (concealed weapon permit) in that theatre, this tragedy may have had fewer lives lost.

Now let's think that one through: the perpetraitor comes into a dark theatre lit only by the big screen, hurls smoke bombs and then opens fire with a semi-automatic. Panic ensues....people screaming, hiding, running, choking. Now let's add to the mix some CWP citizen brandishing his/her weapon while trying to get a bead on the perpetraitor for a clear shot. Maybe they get jumped and beaten by panicked patrons thinking this person is in league with the killer...maybe the CWP person fires off a few rounds and accidently hits people trying to flee...or maybe the CWP person actually hits and kills the perpetraitor, only to be shot by the police who show up at the scene with very little description, or they get beaten to near death by panicked patrons who literally don't know which end is up.

Bottom line: yes, across the country you've had some incidences where a CWP has stopped a crime....that's a rarity and a specific set of circumstances. Having a population strapped 24/7 like the Old West would NOT have bode well at Columbine, or Virginia Tech...and damned near got the hero of the Arizona shooting killed!

Does this mean we take away everyone's guns? Nope. Does this mean we severely limit weapons to a select few? Nope. But this does mean that we have to take some simple steps to make sure that any joker without a rap sheet can load up for WW3 or some sick Turner Diary fantasy.

Just think it through folks.

If I think this through I end up with the conclusion that you think we should do exactly what we are doing. Why make a post about how dumb people are if you don't want to change anything?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

op makes sense so of course, the rw's will ignore that in favor of silly nonsense like, "we should outlaw cars since cares kill people".

My question is, why must ANY person be able to buy tear gas canisters and assault weapons? Hunting? Self defense?

how is tear gas used for self defense? If there's a bad guy outside your door, do you just throw the tear gas outside at him?

Problem is, we've let the gun lobby own us.

No one is trying to take anyone's gun away from them. I also own guns. BUT, say one word about gun shows being a criminal's supermarket or, as I said, assault weapons and tear gas, and you get the ghost of Charlton Heston screeching at congress.

And, as we've seen, rw's really really really REALLY want to believe that President Obama is after their guns and their bibles. Its horseshit of course and they know that but ole lushbo, whose fat ass just barely fits into the hip pocket of the NRA started a great little Chicken Little scare and made the gun makers damn happy. Then of course, lil glenny beck got into the act and gun sales went through the roof.

Sad and sappy but the R's are just hoping, waiting, wishing for a Dem so say something really radical - like - maybe gun shows shouldn't be able to sell to any felon who walks into the tent.

kHate to think what froot loops like Alan West would use that for. For my part, I'm sick of watching these rw liars step over the dead bodies of children to pimp for the next election.

 

[taichiliberal]

Hey! I hate to burst your bubble cause it was a good speech.. but the stats show that a criminal always has access to weapons.

And your point is what? Because statistics also show that criminals obtain more guns from states with lesser or lax gun laws (i.e., a slew of gun related crimes in NYC have been committed with weapons obtained from states like Virginia).

Like I said, think it through.

 

[Stephanie]

Every time something happens you people want to take away the rights of the law abiding citizens..

and you think I meant the car thing as a joke? you take away guns, tear gas, etc... crazy people will ALWAYS find something else just as destructive..my gawd some of you people hate freedom

 

[Quantum Windbag]

op makes sense so of course, the rw's will ignore that in favor of silly nonsense like, "we should outlaw cars since cares kill people".

It makes sense to complain that people want guns, and that we should institute measures to make sure felons don't buy guns when that is exactly the system we have? To who?

My question is, why must ANY person be able to buy tear gas canisters and assault weapons? Hunting? Self defense?

Why shouldn't people be able to buy tear gas?

What type of weapon do you get if you don't buy an assault weapon?

how is tear gas used for self defense? If there's a bad guy outside your door, do you just throw the tear gas outside at him?

Like this.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCeUSjVkixk]Outlawed Tear Gas Pepper Spray Combo - YouTube[/ame]

Problem is, we've let the gun lobby own us.

Unless you have a mouse in your pocket we haven't done any such thing.

No one is trying to take anyone's gun away from them. I also own guns. BUT, say one word about gun shows being a criminal's supermarket or, as I said, assault weapons and tear gas, and you get the ghost of Charlton Heston screeching at congress.

Strangely enough, there is no evidence this guy ever went to a gun show, how would outlawing gun shows have made a difference?

And, as we've seen, rw's really really really REALLY want to believe that President Obama is after their guns and their bibles. Its horseshit of course and they know that but ole lushbo, whose fat ass just barely fits into the hip pocket of the NRA started a great little Chicken Little scare and made the gun makers damn happy. Then of course, lil glenny beck got into the act and gun sales went through the roof.

Yep, we are all running around complaining about that every second of every day.

Sad and sappy but the R's are just hoping, waiting, wishing for a Dem so say something really radical - like - maybe gun shows shouldn't be able to sell to any felon who walks into the tent.

Strangely enough, gun shows can't sell to any felon that walks into the tent.

kHate to think what froot loops like Alan West would use that for. For my part, I'm sick of watching these rw liars step over the dead bodies of children to pimp for the next election.

So, you hate to see people lying, yet you haven't actually told the truth.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hey! I hate to burst your bubble cause it was a good speech.. but the stats show that a criminal always has access to weapons.

And your point is what? Because statistics also show that criminals obtain more guns from states with lesser or lax gun laws (i.e., a slew of gun related crimes in NYC have been committed with weapons obtained from states like Virginia).

Like I said, think it through.

I bet they show no such thing.

 

[taichiliberal]

Well, here we go again. Another nut job in Colorado goes on a planned killing spree with a personal arsenal he easily and legally obtained. Pro-gun control and NRA pundits once again fill the internet, radio, television and print media with the old argument: just how many guns are necessary to obtain total personal protection?

The one aspect of all this has always fascinated me: The idea of allowing any law abiding citizen to qualify and carry a concealed weapon anywhere and everywhere in the U.S.A.

You already had some local ex-politician suggest that if you had a few people strapped via a CWP (concealed weapon permit) in that theatre, this tragedy may have had fewer lives lost.

Now let's think that one through: the perpetraitor comes into a dark theatre lit only by the big screen, hurls smoke bombs and then opens fire with a semi-automatic. Panic ensues....people screaming, hiding, running, choking. Now let's add to the mix some CWP citizen brandishing his/her weapon while trying to get a bead on the perpetraitor for a clear shot. Maybe they get jumped and beaten by panicked patrons thinking this person is in league with the killer...maybe the CWP person fires off a few rounds and accidently hits people trying to flee...or maybe the CWP person actually hits and kills the perpetraitor, only to be shot by the police who show up at the scene with very little description, or they get beaten to near death by panicked patrons who literally don't know which end is up.

Bottom line: yes, across the country you've had some incidences where a CWP has stopped a crime....that's a rarity and a specific set of circumstances. Having a population strapped 24/7 like the Old West would NOT have bode well at Columbine, or Virginia Tech...and damned near got the hero of the Arizona shooting killed!

Does this mean we take away everyone's guns? Nope. Does this mean we severely limit weapons to a select few? Nope. But this does mean that we have to take some simple steps to make sure that any joker without a rap sheet can load up for WW3 or some sick Turner Diary fantasy.

Just think it through folks.

The problem is this guy didn't have a rap sheet they followed the rules ran a background check on him the only thing he had was one speeding ticket.

IMHO, that wasn't the problem...the problem was that this guy was LEGALLY able to stock up on weapons and ammo and para-military equipment(was it 6 or 60 rounds of ammo bought off the internet) WITHOUT setting off any red flags. Hell, you and I use certain words in a google search and we appear on an NSA hot sheet!

But like I said, having a slew of people walking around strapped 24/7 isn't the solution.

 

[Big Fitz]

Well, here we go again. Another nut job in Colorado goes on a planned killing spree with a personal arsenal he easily and legally obtained. Pro-gun control and NRA pundits once again fill the internet, radio, television and print media with the old argument: just how many guns are necessary to obtain total personal protection?

The one aspect of all this has always fascinated me: The idea of allowing any law abiding citizen to qualify and carry a concealed weapon anywhere and everywhere in the U.S.A.

You already had some local ex-politician suggest that if you had a few people strapped via a CWP (concealed weapon permit) in that theatre, this tragedy may have had fewer lives lost.

Now let's think that one through: the perpetraitor comes into a dark theatre lit only by the big screen, hurls smoke bombs and then opens fire with a semi-automatic. Panic ensues....people screaming, hiding, running, choking. Now let's add to the mix some CWP citizen brandishing his/her weapon while trying to get a bead on the perpetraitor for a clear shot. Maybe they get jumped and beaten by panicked patrons thinking this person is in league with the killer...maybe the CWP person fires off a few rounds and accidently hits people trying to flee...or maybe the CWP person actually hits and kills the perpetraitor, only to be shot by the police who show up at the scene with very little description, or they get beaten to near death by panicked patrons who literally don't know which end is up.

Bottom line: yes, across the country you've had some incidences where a CWP has stopped a crime....that's a rarity and a specific set of circumstances. Having a population strapped 24/7 like the Old West would NOT have bode well at Columbine, or Virginia Tech...and damned near got the hero of the Arizona shooting killed!

Does this mean we take away everyone's guns? Nope. Does this mean we severely limit weapons to a select few? Nope. But this does mean that we have to take some simple steps to make sure that any joker without a rap sheet can load up for WW3 or some sick Turner Diary fantasy.

Just think it through folks.

Name one gun wielding criminal that ever obeyed a gun law or bothered with a conceal carry permit?

Since those laws are a total failure, maybe they should be repealed so the populace can properly defend itself.

 

[taichiliberal]

If you look at all the mass and serial killers over the last 400 years you'll find one common factor.

All of them were human.

Obviously we must outlaw reproduction; only then can these crimes be prevented.

Simple enough; an executive powerful enough to force you to buy a commercial product is surely sufficiently powerful to make sterilization compulsory (but tax NOT being sterilized as a first step).

this is why I had you on IA, Henry....you're a willfully ignorant neocon/teabagger flunkie who's post read like the the rants of screened callers for Limbaugh or Savage or Levine or Crowley....rather than rationally and honestly deal with the subject at hand. I'll take you off IA in a few months to see if you've matured any.

 

[taichiliberal]

Well, here we go again. Another nut job in Colorado goes on a planned killing spree with a personal arsenal he easily and legally obtained. Pro-gun control and NRA pundits once again fill the internet, radio, television and print media with the old argument: just how many guns are necessary to obtain total personal protection?

The one aspect of all this has always fascinated me: The idea of allowing any law abiding citizen to qualify and carry a concealed weapon anywhere and everywhere in the U.S.A.

You already had some local ex-politician suggest that if you had a few people strapped via a CWP (concealed weapon permit) in that theatre, this tragedy may have had fewer lives lost.

Now let's think that one through: the perpetraitor comes into a dark theatre lit only by the big screen, hurls smoke bombs and then opens fire with a semi-automatic. Panic ensues....people screaming, hiding, running, choking. Now let's add to the mix some CWP citizen brandishing his/her weapon while trying to get a bead on the perpetraitor for a clear shot. Maybe they get jumped and beaten by panicked patrons thinking this person is in league with the killer...maybe the CWP person fires off a few rounds and accidently hits people trying to flee...or maybe the CWP person actually hits and kills the perpetraitor, only to be shot by the police who show up at the scene with very little description, or they get beaten to near death by panicked patrons who literally don't know which end is up.

Bottom line: yes, across the country you've had some incidences where a CWP has stopped a crime....that's a rarity and a specific set of circumstances. Having a population strapped 24/7 like the Old West would NOT have bode well at Columbine, or Virginia Tech...and damned near got the hero of the Arizona shooting killed!

Does this mean we take away everyone's guns? Nope. Does this mean we severely limit weapons to a select few? Nope. But this does mean that we have to take some simple steps to make sure that any joker without a rap sheet can load up for WW3 or some sick Turner Diary fantasy.

Just think it through folks.

If I think this through I end up with the conclusion that you think we should do exactly what we are doing. Why make a post about how dumb people are if you don't want to change anything?

Let me claify for you, as you obviously don't understand my point: This allergic reaction that NRA types to ANY gun control effort flies in the face of such incidences as the ones Ipreviously mentioned. What they offer in return would have disasterous results....making the forementioned situation markedly worse.

 

[blackhawk]

Well, here we go again. Another nut job in Colorado goes on a planned killing spree with a personal arsenal he easily and legally obtained. Pro-gun control and NRA pundits once again fill the internet, radio, television and print media with the old argument: just how many guns are necessary to obtain total personal protection?

The one aspect of all this has always fascinated me: The idea of allowing any law abiding citizen to qualify and carry a concealed weapon anywhere and everywhere in the U.S.A.

You already had some local ex-politician suggest that if you had a few people strapped via a CWP (concealed weapon permit) in that theatre, this tragedy may have had fewer lives lost.

Now let's think that one through: the perpetraitor comes into a dark theatre lit only by the big screen, hurls smoke bombs and then opens fire with a semi-automatic. Panic ensues....people screaming, hiding, running, choking. Now let's add to the mix some CWP citizen brandishing his/her weapon while trying to get a bead on the perpetraitor for a clear shot. Maybe they get jumped and beaten by panicked patrons thinking this person is in league with the killer...maybe the CWP person fires off a few rounds and accidently hits people trying to flee...or maybe the CWP person actually hits and kills the perpetraitor, only to be shot by the police who show up at the scene with very little description, or they get beaten to near death by panicked patrons who literally don't know which end is up.

Bottom line: yes, across the country you've had some incidences where a CWP has stopped a crime....that's a rarity and a specific set of circumstances. Having a population strapped 24/7 like the Old West would NOT have bode well at Columbine, or Virginia Tech...and damned near got the hero of the Arizona shooting killed!

Does this mean we take away everyone's guns? Nope. Does this mean we severely limit weapons to a select few? Nope. But this does mean that we have to take some simple steps to make sure that any joker without a rap sheet can load up for WW3 or some sick Turner Diary fantasy.

Just think it through folks.

The problem is this guy didn't have a rap sheet they followed the rules ran a background check on him the only thing he had was one speeding ticket.

IMHO, that wasn't the problem...the problem was that this guy was LEGALLY able to stock up on weapons and ammo and para-military equipment(was it 6 or 60 rounds of ammo bought off the internet) WITHOUT setting off any red flags. Hell, you and I use certain words in a google search and we appear on an NSA hot sheet!

But like I said, having a slew of people walking around strapped 24/7 isn't the solution.

I agree with your point about him being able to purchase all the ammo he did and the body armor off the net but how do you deal with that as soon as someone mentions trying regulate the web all hell breaks loose and that is seen as unacceptable.

 

[Stephanie]

If you look at all the mass and serial killers over the last 400 years you'll find one common factor.

All of them were human.

Obviously we must outlaw reproduction; only then can these crimes be prevented.

Simple enough; an executive powerful enough to force you to buy a commercial product is surely sufficiently powerful to make sterilization compulsory (but tax NOT being sterilized as a first step).

this is why I had you on IA, Henry....you're a willfully ignorant neocon/teabagger flunkie who's post read like the the rants of screened callers for Limbaugh or Savage or Levine or Crowley....rather than rationally and honestly deal with the subject at hand. I'll take you off IA in a few months to see if you've matured any.

omg, you calling people neocon/TEABAGGER flunkie..is mature..
his post was mature, yours are that of a child

 

[taichiliberal]

op makes sense so of course, the rw's will ignore that in favor of silly nonsense like, "we should outlaw cars since cares kill people".

My question is, why must ANY person be able to buy tear gas canisters and assault weapons? Hunting? Self defense?

how is tear gas used for self defense? If there's a bad guy outside your door, do you just throw the tear gas outside at him?

Problem is, we've let the gun lobby own us.

No one is trying to take anyone's gun away from them. I also own guns. BUT, say one word about gun shows being a criminal's supermarket or, as I said, assault weapons and tear gas, and you get the ghost of Charlton Heston screeching at congress.

And, as we've seen, rw's really really really REALLY want to believe that President Obama is after their guns and their bibles. Its horseshit of course and they know that but ole lushbo, whose fat ass just barely fits into the hip pocket of the NRA started a great little Chicken Little scare and made the gun makers damn happy. Then of course, lil glenny beck got into the act and gun sales went through the roof.

Sad and sappy but the R's are just hoping, waiting, wishing for a Dem so say something really radical - like - maybe gun shows shouldn't be able to sell to any felon who walks into the tent.

kHate to think what froot loops like Alan West would use that for. For my part, I'm sick of watching these rw liars step over the dead bodies of children to pimp for the next election.

One point: is it confirmed that he purchased the gas canisters, or were they home made?

 

[Stephanie]

Well, here we go again. Another nut job in Colorado goes on a planned killing spree with a personal arsenal he easily and legally obtained. Pro-gun control and NRA pundits once again fill the internet, radio, television and print media with the old argument: just how many guns are necessary to obtain total personal protection?

The one aspect of all this has always fascinated me: The idea of allowing any law abiding citizen to qualify and carry a concealed weapon anywhere and everywhere in the U.S.A.

You already had some local ex-politician suggest that if you had a few people strapped via a CWP (concealed weapon permit) in that theatre, this tragedy may have had fewer lives lost.

Now let's think that one through: the perpetraitor comes into a dark theatre lit only by the big screen, hurls smoke bombs and then opens fire with a semi-automatic. Panic ensues....people screaming, hiding, running, choking. Now let's add to the mix some CWP citizen brandishing his/her weapon while trying to get a bead on the perpetraitor for a clear shot. Maybe they get jumped and beaten by panicked patrons thinking this person is in league with the killer...maybe the CWP person fires off a few rounds and accidently hits people trying to flee...or maybe the CWP person actually hits and kills the perpetraitor, only to be shot by the police who show up at the scene with very little description, or they get beaten to near death by panicked patrons who literally don't know which end is up.

Bottom line: yes, across the country you've had some incidences where a CWP has stopped a crime....that's a rarity and a specific set of circumstances. Having a population strapped 24/7 like the Old West would NOT have bode well at Columbine, or Virginia Tech...and damned near got the hero of the Arizona shooting killed!

Does this mean we take away everyone's guns? Nope. Does this mean we severely limit weapons to a select few? Nope. But this does mean that we have to take some simple steps to make sure that any joker without a rap sheet can load up for WW3 or some sick Turner Diary fantasy.

Just think it through folks.

If I think this through I end up with the conclusion that you think we should do exactly what we are doing. Why make a post about how dumb people are if you don't want to change anything?

Let me claify for you, as you obviously don't understand my point: This allergic reaction that NRA types to ANY gun control effort flies in the face of such incidences as the ones Ipreviously mentioned. What they offer in return would have disasterous results....making the forementioned situation markedly worse.

too bad you don't like our freedoms...we don't care

 

[Big Fitz]

It's always the ones who think they're going to be the slave owners who wish to disarm their future slave.

 

[taichiliberal]

Every time something happens you people want to take away the rights of the law abiding citizens..

and you think I meant the car thing as a joke? you take away guns, tear gas, etc... crazy people will ALWAYS find something else just as destructive..my gawd some of you people hate freedom

Are you drunk Stephanie? Because I really have a hard time believing that anyone is truly as stupid as you come off on these posts of yours.

Try dealing with what I posted and take it from there.....READ IT CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, then get back to me.

Also the poster you are referring to stated in no uncertain terms that he is a gun owner and that the neocon/teabagger BS about Obama taking away gun rights was just that....BS!

Get it together, Stephanie.