College Should Be Free.

College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.
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I think education is of the utmost importance, but I don't believe that higher education should be free. It should be cost prohibitive if for no other reason than to weed out those who aren't serious or intelligent enough to hack it. And let's face it, most people are too dumb for college. If you said we should add more vocational teaching to our k-12 system, or even that we should have free post-12 vocational schools, I'd be more open to the idea, but the last thing we need is double digit IQ flunkies creating a massive tax burden just to get degrees that are fun or easy enough for them to hack, but don't actually improve their economic value to society. A massive tax investment in bullshit degrees for people working as warehouse lumpers or bank tellers is a HOLY SHIT RETARDED investment.
I agree that vocational opportunities should be considered and integrated into our educational system options. Not all, actually, most, jobs are better served with an apprenticeship/journeyman/master type program than the typical US-style college/university meme. Unfortunately, we have allowed ourselves to be sold a bill of goods that emphasizes classical academic education and denigrates a more hands-on, practical approach to job training. Of course, the university setting facilitates the liberal/progressive propagandizing of young people, so the university/college (typical liberal propaganda centers) setting is emphasized. So, eventually, we'll have loads of people using the toilets and lights but no one qualified to install/repair either the plumbing or the electricity.

The propaganda angle makes this whole conversation slightly chilling, in my view. I can't imagine most academics are unaware that most people aren't qualified to hack any subject that requires calculus, so free college for all would eventually represent a massive increase in miscellaneous bullshit degrees (things like Floral Design, Comedy, Pop Culture. . . sadly, there are US universities that offer these majors) and humanities degrees. Essentially, free college, more than anything, will result in a lot of not-quite-college-material types being pumped through social justice indoctrination courses (gender/culture studies), and we'll end up with folks that aren't only equating progressivism with intellectualism, and aren't only dumb enough to believe that life could ever be that simple, but more that have degrees to validate their zealotry.

The optimist in me says free college for all would be stupid because we don't need tax subsidies for PhD's in fly fishing, but in my cynical moments, I wonder if it's not an attempt at some long march, end game type shit.
 
College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.
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College is pretty much free....if you spend four years in the military. Get movin, girl!

Why should people be expected to flush four years of their lives down the toilet to do something that would be a benefit to society in general. And those four years would be better spent in college. Also, I used to be in the military. Though they provided my food and clothing, my pay wasn't good enough to save up for college after I left. So blow me.

It is called the GI Bill. Surely you have heard of it. It paid for my teacher's certification and Master's degree.
 
College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.
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College is pretty much free....if you spend four years in the military. Get movin, girl!

Why should people be expected to flush four years of their lives down the toilet to do something that would be a benefit to society in general. And those four years would be better spent in college. Also, I used to be in the military. Though they provided my food and clothing, my pay wasn't good enough to save up for college after I left. So blow me.
I know it's too hard for you to do Gertrude....but show this to your boyfriend. And then GFY.

3. Serve Your Country
Military service can make your education goals a reality. The Armed Forces tuition assistance is a powerful incentive for those serving in the armed forces to pursue their education. Both enlisted and officer military members can receive up to $4,500 annually for tuition and fees.

Eligibility, service requirements, application processes and restrictions differ among the military branches, National Guard and Reserves.






Another military option is the Post-9/11 GI Bill — an updated version of the World War II era legislation that may have helped your grandfather settle back into civilian life This benefit is offered to members of the military who have served at least 90 days on active duty since Sept. 11, 2001. Depending on length of service, the bill pays 40% to 100% of tuition and fees at a in-state public college or university, or up to $17,500 at a private or foreign school.

Unlike the Post-9/11 GI Bill, The Montgomery GI Bill requires service members to enroll in the program and pay $100 per month for a year ($1,200) in order to receive a monthly education benefit. Benefits vary, but a full-time student in college could receive approximately $1,500 a month through this program.

You can prepare for military service and pay for college at the same time through ROTC programs. Some college students get their entire tuition tab picked up through ROTC and have an opportunity to serve in the Army, Navy, Air Force or Marine Corps after they graduate.

PROS
  • With the tuition assistance program, most of your tuition and fees are covered. Military on-the-job experience may translate into college credit.
  • In certain situations, the new GI Bill allows transfer of benefits to spouses and children. As of Oct. 1, 2011, you can use it for nondegree programs and other professional training.
  • GI Bill benefits are tax-free.
  • ROTC programs can result in a full, four-year scholarship.
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CONS
  • Your studies may be interrupted by required military relocations or deployments, if you choose the Tuition Assistance Program.
  • The Post 9/11 Bill requires specific length of service to qualify for transferability of benefits to a spouse or child.
  • Tuition benefits can expire, so you need to apply for assistance within the specified timeframes.

I have two brothers who went to college through the GI Bill. But that program was ended. If there was anything done to replace it. it is probably horse shit. Otherwise they would have never done away with the GI Bill program.

You are dead wrong. My son is attending college right now on the GI Bill. His wife already has her degree through the GI Bill.
 
College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.
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College is pretty much free....if you spend four years in the military. Get movin, girl!

Why should people be expected to flush four years of their lives down the toilet to do something that would be a benefit to society in general. And those four years would be better spent in college. Also, I used to be in the military. Though they provided my food and clothing, my pay wasn't good enough to save up for college after I left. So blow me.
I, like many servicemen, took college courses at education centers in the Army. Then when I retired from the Army I used the G.I.Bill to finish and get a degree. I never paid a cent for my education and I got money from the VA while attending college.

If you are going to be in the service, you need to be in the service. Not taking classes here and there. As it is, from what I hear, college students forget about 90% of the things they learned. What would the case be when you have military service to distract you. And by the time you were discharged, how much from your classes would you remember then. I have a couple brothers who served and went to college afterward on the GI Bill. It seems to me that is the best way to go.

It works both ways. You seem to be really lacking in understanding the program because you keep saying things that simply are not true.
 
I would have to first see what France and Germany does. But as long as you are getting a quality education, why would it matter. But if there is some university that has superior equipment, I would be more inclined to send the most gifted students there.

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Why should it matter what France and Germany does?

You want to allow people to be college educated...

So you're proposing that 200 million plus people living in the United States are going to be given the right to attend college.

Where do you propose we get the money for this grand project? Plundering and pillaging other countries?

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Get the money from the same god dammed place that places like France and Germany get it!


Those are socialist countries whose economies are in far worse shape than ours.
 
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If we're going to offer free college that means it's everyone's right to attend the college of their choice correct?

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I would have to first see what France and Germany does. But as long as you are getting a quality education, why would it matter. But if there is some university that has superior equipment, I would be more inclined to send the most gifted students there.

If you like France and Germany so much, go. Move on. I'm sure they will welcome you. In case you haven't noticed, this is not France, or Germany.
While I am not entirely knowledgeable about France, I do know that Germany has an education system that fosters both academic and trade-based education.


Why move there. Michale Moore already invaded them and brought the spoils back here. All we have to do is use them. For example, he showed in his documentary that school kids in Finland are among the best educated in the world. If not THE best educated. He brought back the "spoils" of how they did that. Would you like to know? They eliminated homework! And in the vast majority of cases, their tests don't have multiple choices like ours have.


Your knowledge of Finland is lacking. Some of their programs for a small country are not affordable in the US.
 
3. Serve Your Country
Military service can make your education goals a reality.

This is why we don't have a national recommended reading list so smart kids could educate themselves. The peons are supposed to believe they are dependent on the status quo. Now we have Project Gutenberg with free books.

Black Beauty (1877) by Anna Sewell
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/271/271-h/271-h.htm

The Wind in the Willows (1908) by Kenneth Grahame
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/289

The Boxcar Children (1924) by Gertrude Chandler Warner
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/42796/42796-h/42796-h.htm

David and the Phoenix (1957) by Edward Ormondroyd
http://librivox.org/david-and-the-phoenix-by-edward-ormondroyd/
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27922/27922-h/27922-h.htm

The Fourth R (1959) by George O. Smith
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18602/18602-h/18602-h.htm

IMPERIUM IN IMPERIO
by Sutton E. Griggs (1899)
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/15454/pg15454-images.html
https://lavelleporter.com/2013/02/17/academic-novel-imperium-in-imperio

Black Man's Burden (1961) by Mack Reynolds
Mack Reynolds on Africa, Islam, utopia, and progress
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/32390/32390-h/32390-h.htm

psik
 
And the broken record is still broken...^^^^^^


"Reading list"
"Failed in school but loved science fiction"
"Double-book accounting"


Repeat to infinity...
 
College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.
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Holy shit....so you're saying you want the U.S. to be more like Adolf Hitler and Nazi, Germany?!? :lmao:
 
College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.
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You dolt. Hitler provided free college, as he did free health care, free welfare, free retirement, etc.

Think before you post.
 
College should be more free than a high school education is. We should actually pay students to go to college. Because though you can expect young adults to live at home when they go to high school, I wouldn't expect them to do the same when they are going to college. If a higher education has value, then it would be a benefit to society in general. Therefore making it worthy of something for the government to subsidize. Instead of expecting students to roll the dice when it comes to finding a job afterward with a huge student debt to pay off. France and Germany have free college education. And no doubt many other countries. The U.S. should too. I bet if this guy was running the U.S., we would have.
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Actually all government funds for "higher education " should end.


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