Collectivism Written Into US Constitution: General Welfare

[Procrustes Stretched]

flame thread. troll thread

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Motherfucking horse-shit. Given that asinine rational, the gubmint is empowered to do whatever the fuck they want under the guise of "promoting the general welfare".

God you people are fucking stupid.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Collectivism Written Into US Constitution: General Welfare

US Constitution Preamble:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" - US Declaration of Independence

Utilitarianism
Main article: Utilitarianism (book)

The canonical statement of Mill's utilitarianism can be found in Utilitarianism. This philosophy has a long tradition, although Mill's account is primarily influenced by Jeremy Bentham and Mill's father James Mill.

Jeremy Bentham's famous formulation of utilitarianism is known as the "greatest-happiness principle". It holds that one must always act so as to produce the greatest aggregate happiness among all sentient beings, within reason. Mill's major contribution to utilitarianism is his argument for the qualitative separation of pleasures. Bentham treats all forms of happiness as equal, whereas Mill argues that intellectual and moral pleasures (higher pleasures) are superior to more physical forms of pleasure (lower pleasures). Mill distinguishes between happiness and contentment, claiming that the former is of higher value than the latter, a belief wittily encapsulated in the statement that "it is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, are of a different opinion, it is because they only know their own side of the question."[26]

Mill defines the difference between higher and lower forms of happiness with the principle that those who have experienced both tend to prefer one over the other. This is, perhaps, in direct contrast with Bentham's statement that "Quantity of pleasure being equal, push-pin is as good as poetry",[27] that, if a simple child's game like hopscotch causes more pleasure to more people than a night at the opera house, it is more imperative upon a society to devote more resources to propagating hopscotch than running opera houses. Mill's argument is that the "simple pleasures" tend to be preferred by people who have no experience with high art, and are therefore not in a proper position to judge.

Mill supported legislation that would have granted extra voting power to university graduates on the grounds that they were in a better position to judge what would be best for society. (For he believed that education itself, not the intrinsic nature of educated people, qualified them to have more influence in government.)

The qualitative account of happiness that Mill advocates thus sheds light on his account presented in On Liberty. As Mill suggests in that text, utility is to be conceived in relation to humanity "as a progressive being", which includes the development and exercise of rational capacities as we strive to achieve a "higher mode of existence". The rejection of censorship and paternalism is intended to provide the necessary social conditions for the achievement of knowledge and the greatest ability for the greatest number to develop and exercise their deliberative and rational capacities.

John Stuart Mill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jeremy Bentham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry but "general welfare" means only what the tea party says it means.

 

[Mad Scientist]

"Promote" does NOT equal "provide".

 

[Skull Pilot]

Promoting the general welfare is not the same as providing the general welfare.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Promoting the general welfare is not the same as providing the general welfare.

Maybe not. But it does mean the same as aiding and assisting the general welfare.

Main Entry:
promote  [pruh-moht] Show IPA
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: help, advance
Synonyms: advertise, advocate, aid, assist, avail, back, befriend, benefit, bolster, boost, build up*, call attention to, champion, contribute, cooperate, cry*, develop, encourage, endorse, espouse, forward, foster, further, get behind, hype*, improve, nourish, nurture, patronize, plug*, popularize, propagandize, publicize, puff, push, push for, recommend, sell, serve, speak for, speed, sponsor, stimulate, subsidize, succor, support, uphold, urge, work for
Antonyms: condemn, discredit, dishonor, hurt

Promote Synonyms, Promote Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

 

[Skull Pilot]

The rights defined and protected by the Constitution are individual rights not collective rights.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Promoting the general welfare is not the same as providing the general welfare.

Maybe not. But it does mean the same as aiding and assisting the general welfare.

Main Entry:
promote  [pruh-moht] Show IPA
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: help, advance
Synonyms: advertise, advocate, aid, assist, avail, back, befriend, benefit, bolster, boost, build up*, call attention to, champion, contribute, cooperate, cry*, develop, encourage, endorse, espouse, forward, foster, further, get behind, hype*, improve, nourish, nurture, patronize, plug*, popularize, propagandize, publicize, puff, push, push for, recommend, sell, serve, speak for, speed, sponsor, stimulate, subsidize, succor, support, uphold, urge, work for
Antonyms: condemn, discredit, dishonor, hurt

Promote Synonyms, Promote Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

And one can aid and assist for free can't they.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The rights defined and protected by the Constitution are individual rights not collective rights.

I guess the founders didn't know the difference between singular and plural?

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Should say the right of PERSONS to keep and bear arms, shouldn't it?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Promoting the general welfare is not the same as providing the general welfare.

Maybe not. But it does mean the same as aiding and assisting the general welfare.

Main Entry:
promote  [pruh-moht] Show IPA
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: help, advance
Synonyms: advertise, advocate, aid, assist, avail, back, befriend, benefit, bolster, boost, build up*, call attention to, champion, contribute, cooperate, cry*, develop, encourage, endorse, espouse, forward, foster, further, get behind, hype*, improve, nourish, nurture, patronize, plug*, popularize, propagandize, publicize, puff, push, push for, recommend, sell, serve, speak for, speed, sponsor, stimulate, subsidize, succor, support, uphold, urge, work for
Antonyms: condemn, discredit, dishonor, hurt

Promote Synonyms, Promote Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

And one can aid and assist for free can't they.

They can also aid and assist with money.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Maybe not. But it does mean the same as aiding and assisting the general welfare.



Promote Synonyms, Promote Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

And one can aid and assist for free can't they.

yes, but

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 - The U.S. Constitution
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Oh look, check it out Skull Pilot, as Dante has pointed out - says here the Congress can spend money to PROVIDE for the general welfare. Did you know it said that? I'm sure you did, being a lover of the Constitution.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Wow Dante - did you remove your post complaining that my sig was too big when you realized that your sig is both wider and taller than mine?

 

[Skull Pilot]

The rights defined and protected by the Constitution are individual rights not collective rights.

I guess the founders didn't know the difference between singular and plural?

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Should say the right of PERSONS to keep and bear arms, shouldn't it?

Who are "the people"?

"The People" is every individual in the country not a single entity.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The rights defined and protected by the Constitution are individual rights not collective rights.

I guess the founders didn't know the difference between singular and plural?

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Should say the right of PERSONS to keep and bear arms, shouldn't it?

Who are "the people"?

"The People" is every individual in the country not a single entity.

Says who?

 

[daveman]

Motherfucking horse-shit. Given that asinine rational, the gubmint is empowered to do whatever the fuck they want under the guise of "promoting the general welfare".

God you people are fucking stupid.

not really.. read on and learn. stfu and stop making an ass of yourself

It's "the pursuit of happiness". Not happiness itself.

You can try to make yourself happy, but the government isn't obligated to make you happy.

You lose.

 

[daveman]

Appropriate forum, since collectivism is the left's religion.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And one can aid and assist for free can't they.

yes, but

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 - The U.S. Constitution
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Oh look, check it out Skull Pilot, as Dante has pointed out - says here the Congress can spend money to PROVIDE for the general welfare. Did you know it said that? I'm sure you did, being a lover of the Constitution.

The current interpretation of that clause is the reason we are 16 trillion in debt.

You see the part about "uniform throughout" don't you? tell me what pork packed bill promotes the welfare of the country uniformly throughout?

 

[daveman]

Promoting the general welfare is not the same as providing the general welfare.

Maybe not. But it does mean the same as aiding and assisting the general welfare.

Main Entry:
promote  [pruh-moht] Show IPA
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: help, advance
Synonyms: advertise, advocate, aid, assist, avail, back, befriend, benefit, bolster, boost, build up*, call attention to, champion, contribute, cooperate, cry*, develop, encourage, endorse, espouse, forward, foster, further, get behind, hype*, improve, nourish, nurture, patronize, plug*, popularize, propagandize, publicize, puff, push, push for, recommend, sell, serve, speak for, speed, sponsor, stimulate, subsidize, succor, support, uphold, urge, work for
Antonyms: condemn, discredit, dishonor, hurt

Promote Synonyms, Promote Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

And one can aid and assist for free can't they.

The only true generosity is liberals demanding other people pay for what they want.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

yes, but

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 - The U.S. Constitution
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Oh look, check it out Skull Pilot, as Dante has pointed out - says here the Congress can spend money to PROVIDE for the general welfare. Did you know it said that? I'm sure you did, being a lover of the Constitution.

The current interpretation of that clause is the reason we are 16 trillion in debt.

You see the part about "uniform throughout" don't you? tell me what pork packed bill promotes the welfare of the country uniformly throughout?

The "current intepretation" ?

LOL!

Are you telling me that at some point the clause did not mean literally what it says - that the Congress may raise taxes to provide for the general welfare? That is literally what it says - does it mean something other than that?

 

[kwc57]

Holy shit are liberals stoopid!