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They have all the control they need. They can choose to accept employment under the terms offered or they can choose to go elsewhere.So are the teachers for the kids or the money? If they are for the kids they will teach.
This is not just about teachers you idiot.
Its about teachers and all Americans.
Its about the right to have some control over what happens to your life.
You know those old fashioned ideas of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Crossing the picket line is not a neutral act. The nature of work means that a worker cannot simply say they are not involved in the dispute and remain neutral. Since the point of withdrawing labour is to cease production and force the bosses to negotiate or capitulate, going back to work is to objectively favour those in charge. It gives them a way to carry on work (even at a reduced rate) without the strikers and so lessens the impact of the action. It is, in short, a betrayal of your fellow workers and of the spirit of solidarity that brought us to the (limited) rights and freedoms we enjoy today from conditions comparable to Chinese sweatshops.
You're an idiotNow were do i say they do not have the right to assemble?
Let them assemble all they want.
I do say, get rid of the unions.
Getting rid of unions = refusing to allow assembly.
You're making Chavez proud.
No it doesn't.
They can gather and protest to their wee hearts' content.
What they do not have the right to do is to force others into contracts (which is what collective bargaining is) against their will.
Now were do i say they do not have the right to assemble?
Let them assemble all they want.
I do say, get rid of the unions.
Getting rid of unions = refusing to allow assembly.
You're making Chavez proud.
Prove they had no choice
No it doesn't.
They can gather and protest to their wee hearts' content.
What they do not have the right to do is to force others into contracts (which is what collective bargaining is) against their will.
You're confusing the right to assemble with a right to compel other to reccognize that assembly.Constitution be damned! Amazing how quickly so-called conservatives will toss the Constitution when it doesn't benefit them. All good authoritarian dictators outlaw unions.
The right of assembly is in the first amendment, thanks very much.
Now were do i say they do not have the right to assemble?
Let them assemble all they want.
I do say, get rid of the unions.
Getting rid of unions = refusing to allow assembly.
You're making Chavez proud.
You're an idiotGetting rid of unions = refusing to allow assembly.
You're making Chavez proud.
No it doesn't.
They can gather and protest to their wee hearts' content.
What they do not have the right to do is to force others into contracts (which is what collective bargaining is) against their will.
unionization =/= closed shop
You're confusing the right to assemble with a right to compel other to reccognize that assembly.Now were do i say they do not have the right to assemble?
Let them assemble all they want.
I do say, get rid of the unions.
Getting rid of unions = refusing to allow assembly.
You're making Chavez proud.
In a right to work state thats true, but WI law curreently does not allow the employer to fire them. It also does not require the employer to bargain with them.I think they have a right to do that. As in, they can as a group protest their work environment and demand another agreement.
But by that same logic, their employer has a right to then fire their spoiled asses and hire someone else who will actually be grateful for a job and show up for work.
As i understand it, the workers have the right to unionize under freedom of assembly, and the right to appoint people to speak for them under freedom of speech. What they don't have is the right to compell anyone to bargain with them or even to acknowledge them.
Right to work states are the best. I'm in one now.
BREAKING NEWS RIGHT NOW ON LIMBAUGH, VIA FOX NEWS:
Average teacher's salary in Wisconsin: Over $85,000
So what? The state is under no obligation to reccognize it. there ain't no unions in my state government and they seem to be able to find employees just fine. Advertise the position offer a salary. Take it or leave it. No need to bargain with a union at all. As far as dealing with problems go, that would be what supervisors are for. Don't like the result? Oh fucking well.You're confusing the right to assemble with a right to compel other to reccognize that assembly.Getting rid of unions = refusing to allow assembly.
You're making Chavez proud.
They're not recognizing a new country or anything. They're just recognizing that if they convince these few people to accept an agreement, the rest will go along with it and they don't have to work out thousands of contracts. They recognize that they only have to deal with a handful of people through whom workers will bring their complaints instead of having to deal with everyone 1-on-1. It's a mirror of the boss appointing a human resources director- the workers appoint a president and union reps to represent them to the guys who represent the CEOs
In a right to work state thats true, but WI law curreently does not allow the employer to fire them. It also does not require the employer to bargain with them.
As i understand it, the workers have the right to unionize under freedom of assembly, and the right to appoint people to speak for them under freedom of speech. What they don't have is the right to compell anyone to bargain with them or even to acknowledge them.
Right to work states are the best. I'm in one now.
BREAKING NEWS RIGHT NOW ON LIMBAUGH, VIA FOX NEWS:
Average teacher's salary in Wisconsin: Over $85,000
Average teacher's salary in Wisconsin is about 49,000.
Right to work states are generally leeches on the federal government with lower average wages and crappy educational rankings.
exactly. if these pampered lazy bastards don't like whats offered somebody else will.With U6 unemployment at 16%+, finding educated, motivated, and competent people to replace the teachers at reasonable compensation levels should be quite easy.
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.netJust about every headline I have read about the proposed budget changes in Wisconsin mentions Collective Bargaining "rights". I am NOT the sharpest tack in the box, and after extensive Google searches, can find no LAW that stipulates such rights. What am I missing?
Okay.
Where in the Constitution does is specify that Government Employees have collective bargaining rights?
The problem is that Wi allows closed shopsWith U6 unemployment at 16%+, finding educated, motivated, and competent people to replace the teachers at reasonable compensation levels should be quite easy.
Just false. North carolina is like the god of right to work states, its a right to hire and fire state, meaning the job belongs to the employer and they can hire or fire you for any reason or no reason at all. The highschool my kids went to was ranked in the top 100 in the nation by newsweek magazine and we arguably have one of the best university systems in the country.In a right to work state thats true, but WI law curreently does not allow the employer to fire them. It also does not require the employer to bargain with them.
As i understand it, the workers have the right to unionize under freedom of assembly, and the right to appoint people to speak for them under freedom of speech. What they don't have is the right to compell anyone to bargain with them or even to acknowledge them.
Right to work states are the best. I'm in one now.
BREAKING NEWS RIGHT NOW ON LIMBAUGH, VIA FOX NEWS:
Average teacher's salary in Wisconsin: Over $85,000
Average teacher's salary in Wisconsin is about 49,000.
Right to work states are generally leeches on the federal government with lower average wages and crappy educational rankings.
In a right to work state thats true, but WI law curreently does not allow the employer to fire them. It also does not require the employer to bargain with them.
As i understand it, the workers have the right to unionize under freedom of assembly, and the right to appoint people to speak for them under freedom of speech. What they don't have is the right to compell anyone to bargain with them or even to acknowledge them.
Right to work states are the best. I'm in one now.
BREAKING NEWS RIGHT NOW ON LIMBAUGH, VIA FOX NEWS:
Average teacher's salary in Wisconsin: Over $85,000
Average teacher's salary in Wisconsin is about 49,000.
Right to work states are generally leeches on the federal government with lower average wages and crappy educational rankings.
right-to-work laws and at-will employment are two different thingsNorth carolina is like the god of right to work states, its a right to hire and fire state
meaning the job belongs to the employer and they can hire or fire you for any reason or no reason at all
I didn't know I was writing a thesis.So what? The state is under no obligation to reccognize it. there ain't no unions in my state government
Nor are there any decent English teachers, evidently.
whats your question? I made my point. The state is under no obligation to bargain with them. Thats it. There is no other point.and they seem to be able to find employees just fine.
Nor are we unionized where I work. What's your point?
