Coburn: End ‘Welfare For The Well-Off’

[Mr. Shaman]

Yes! More suffering for the poor!

Im confident that the poor won't suffer any more than they currently are. And likely quite a bit less.

Ah, yes, 'cause....

The Lord will provide.

(....And, save your lame, "conservative"-Christian asses.)

....right??​

 

[eflatminor]

Please point to the enumerated power giving the federal government the right to force citizens to support welfare, Medicade, Medicare, Obamacare, etc, etc, etc.

That Congress has violated the law of the land does not make them Caesar.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it unconstitutional.

eflat does not get that he is subject to the constitutional and electoral process of the country, whether he approves or not. Tis what tis.

The problem is you, and the other nanny state fucks in Congress, don't believe you're subject to the Constitution. Otherwise, you could point to the authority we're discussing, which you can't. Oh the irony!

 

[Inthemiddle]

Thank you for proving my point. If you can't point to the authority, it does not exist.

Yes it does, it's screaming loud and clear in the constitution. The congress has the power to collect taxes, and it has the power to spend it as it sees fit. You don't like that. You want it to mean something different than what it means. You want the plethora of case law to be deemed invalid, and that the sea of judges who have presented it to be declared activists. In short, you simply don't like the facts and you want people to interpret things your own way, and you don't want to be bothered with any requirements that your "way" have any logical validity or consistency.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Strange statements from Colburn. Maybe he's switching parties.

And why would that be when Conservatives have long opposed government handouts for everyone?

Yes they have opposed them for everyone. But not for their select supporters.
Ie tax breaks for big oil?
Tax breaks for hedge fund managers?

Their most-favored....

....CONTRACTOR$!!!!!

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Just because you don't like it doesn't make it unconstitutional.

eflat does not get that he is subject to the constitutional and electoral process of the country, whether he approves or not. Tis what tis.

The problem is you, and the other nanny state fucks in Congress, don't believe you're subject to the Constitution. Otherwise, you could point to the authority we're discussing, which you can't. Oh the irony!

Quit paying taxes and when you get penalized ask them to explain it to you.

 

[grunt11b]

Why would the well off be getting any type of subsidization anyways? I mean, it's common sense to not give people anything that they really dont need anyways. Unless of course he is getting support from the senate and congress to end all subsidies to those who are well off to set up case precedent to also have it shut down in the future for all citizens. Could be a smart move on his part that he is being sneaky about.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And why would that be when Conservatives have long opposed government handouts for everyone?

Yes they have opposed them for everyone. But not for their select supporters.
Ie tax breaks for big oil?
Tax breaks for hedge fund managers?

There are no tax breaks for big oil that are exclusively for them. They take advantage of the tax breaks available to everyone in the tax code.

However, tax breaks aren't hand outs, welfare, nor a subsidy. So it's a moot point.

Hell.....they don't (even) PAY for themselves!!!!!

".....and, were never intended to."

BU$HCO BONU$-BUCK$

Gee......money for nothin'.

Sounds like Welfare, to me!!

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[Mr. Shaman]

Americans are the richest 5% of the world. We are all the well-off.

Hence, we should end welfare/subsidies, etc for everyone.

Let's get back to what America really means: Liberty to choose your own destiny.

Yep, Sen. Tom Coburn was half right.
Let's end it for the wealthy and poor alike.

The Bible has well over 100 passages telling us to help the poor. To read those passages go to this link:
Bible: Caring for and serving the poor

The GOP House took the time to reaffirm the US motto "In God We Trust". Most of those who cry and moan about helping the poor are conservatives who support the GOP and also claim to be good church going Christians. Maybe, instead of whining about helping those in need, they should heed to the Bible and follow their leaders to the point of "In God We Trust", instead of openly contradicting the Word of God by their actions.

Helping the poor should never be a partisan issue because it's a Christian issue because God told us to take care of the needy.

You've (obviously) forgotten......

.....the Addendums.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yep, Sen. Tom Coburn was half right.
Let's end it for the wealthy and poor alike.

The Bible has well over 100 passages telling us to help the poor. To read those passages go to this link:
Bible: Caring for and serving the poor

The GOP House took the time to reaffirm the US motto "In God We Trust". Most of those who cry and moan about helping the poor are conservatives who support the GOP and also claim to be good church going Christians. Maybe, instead of whining about helping those in need, they should heed to the Bible and follow their leaders to the point of "In God We Trust", instead of openly contradicting the Word of God by their actions.

Helping the poor should never be a partisan issue because it's a Christian issue because God told us to take care of the needy.

Does the Bible say it's okay to steal from some in order to give to others? Or, does it say Christians should be charitable?

Yeah....that's what's needed....the Consistency o'......

....The Good Book.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And why would that be when Conservatives have long opposed government handouts for everyone?

No you haven't. You all keep babbling about how those hand outs are deserved for the "job creators" or about how they aren't actually hand outs they're just "tax credits" or some other BS.

"Some people look at income inequality and shrug their shoulders. So what if this person gains and that person loses? What matters, they argue, is not how the pie is divided but the size of the pie. That argument is fundamentally wrong. An economy in which most citizens are doing worse year after year—an economy like America’s—is not likely to do well over the long haul."

Greedy PRICK$;
The $pawn O' BU$HCO​

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[grunt11b]

Hey shaman, whats with the blocked letters and the big lettering and all that in every post you make?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I think that Senator Coburn realizes the depth that the subjects brought up by the OWS people are resonating with the American Public, and wants to be on the right side as this comes down on November 2012.

The only thing coming out of OWS that resonates with the American people are protesters defecating on police cars and fighting with police.

....At least, that's what....

....RUPERT MURDOCH'S $ELLING....

.....currently.

(Stupid fucklin' Teabaggers.)​

 

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[eflatminor]

The congress has the power to collect taxes, and it has the power to spend it as it sees fit.

Then it should be easy to point to that authority in the Constitution. It's not very long at all. So, please, point to the power authorizing Congress to spend taxpayer money "as it see fits".

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yes! More suffering for the poor!

Most of the poor suffer because they choose to.....

.....At least.....

....that's what Porky Limbaugh says.

*

"You can hire two people for $2 an hour instead of only one for $4 an hour."

 

[Inthemiddle]

Then it should be easy to point to that authority in the Constitution. It's not very long at all. So, please, point to the power authorizing Congress to spend taxpayer money "as it see fits".

You may as well be asking where in the alphabet it says "A" comes first. If you are so unfamiliar with the constitution you shouldn't be bothering to even invoke it in conversation.

 

[eflatminor]

Then it should be easy to point to that authority in the Constitution. It's not very long at all. So, please, point to the power authorizing Congress to spend taxpayer money "as it see fits".

You may as well be asking where in the alphabet it says "A" comes first. If you are so unfamiliar with the constitution you shouldn't be bothering to even invoke it in conversation.

You the answer is "no", you can't point to the authority. Yea, I couldn't find it either.

 

[Claudette]

End all tax loopholes, tax breaks and subsidies to both people and companies. Get rid of Welfare, Medicaid and all the other social goodies the freeloaders enjoy.

If you can't stand on your own without taxpayer money to pave the way then go out of business and if your a person then tough shit.

You'd be surprised how quickly someone can take care of themselves whent he free ride comes to a halt. They proved that back in 96 with Welfare Reform.

 

[Inthemiddle]

You the answer is "no", you can't point to the authority. Yea, I couldn't find it either.

Then either you can't read or you're lying. I suspect the latter. This is why I'm not bothering to cite it. You haven't an interest in the truth, your interest is in sound bytes and affirming your ideology at the expense of all that is sane or rational.

 

[Claudette]

Then it should be easy to point to that authority in the Constitution. It's not very long at all. So, please, point to the power authorizing Congress to spend taxpayer money "as it see fits".

You may as well be asking where in the alphabet it says "A" comes first. If you are so unfamiliar with the constitution you shouldn't be bothering to even invoke it in conversation.

You the answer is "no", you can't point to the authority. Yea, I couldn't find it either.

Come on now E. You know they all point to the General Welfare Clause. The one thats in the Commerce Clause of the Constitution and pertains to country wide Commerce not handouts.