CNN Reports Surge Is Working

[RetiredGySgt]

I DEMAND you apologize for this horrible Slander.....

 

[SolarEnergy1]

I wonder how the surrender supporters will respond to this






Don't worry, the (far-left) liberal media will find a way to spin it and make it look worse than it is.

 

[loosecannon]

From what I hear we are short on metrics to guage success, the surge just this month will reach full force and it appears at this point to be a draw.

Success in Bdad, but not critical. Setbacks in other provinces.

The odd thing about the surge is that we actually switched enemies. The Sunni are responsible for 90% of our military casualties.

And the Shia are the ruling faction in the Iraqi Parliment and military.

But we switched roles and are now supporting the Sunni and pursuing the Shia Al Sadr.

This must confuse the fuck outta Iraqis.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh

In the past few months, as the situation in Iraq has deteriorated, the Bush Administration, in both its public diplomacy and its covert operations, has significantly shifted its Middle East strategy. The “redirection,” as some inside the White House have called the new strategy, has brought the United States closer to an open confrontation with Iran and, in parts of the region, propelled it into a widening sectarian conflict between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

One contradictory aspect of the new strategy is that, in Iraq, most of the insurgent violence directed at the American military has come from Sunni forces, and not from Shiites. But, from the Administration’s perspective, the most profound—and unintended—strategic consequence of the Iraq war is the empowerment of Iran. Its President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has made defiant pronouncements about the destruction of Israel and his country’s right to pursue its nuclear program, and last week its supreme religious leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said on state television that “realities in the region show that the arrogant front, headed by the U.S. and its allies, will be the principal loser in the region.”

If our need to completely reshape whom are our enemies and whom are our allies isn't a signal of catastrophic failings in our treatment of the war, what could possibly be?

btw, the link is to a long article that is very informative.

 

[Birdzeye]

Well, I just looked at the CNN site, and for the life of me, I can't find where they said the surge was working.

 

[hjmick]

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[maineman]

and one can only wonder why RSR would state in the title of the thread that CNN was reporting something, and then not provide a link to a CNN article...

I will have to wait until I get home from work to open the link he put up, my workplace porn filter kicked in when I tried to open it.

I guess, considering the source, I should not be surprised.

 

[hjmick]

and one can only wonder why RSR would state in the title of the thread that CNN was reporting something, and then not provide a link to a CNN article...

I will have to wait until I get home from work to open the link he put up, my workplace porn filter kicked in when I tried to open it.

I guess, considering the source, I should not be surprised.

The link is to the video I posted. Some folks, it would seem, haven't quite figured out how to embed videos in their posts.

 

[T-Bor]

I am not really sure how you quantify Bush is better than Kerry. Bush has failed Miserably. Beyond Miserable. So I would think Kerry would have done better. Hey, at the very least he would have been a better speaker cause no one could be worse as far as action is concerned. Your rhetoric sounds good though. Although it is just your opinion. I personally think Kerry would have been better.

And just what is going to happen once this SURGE is over huh?? Is it going to be honkey dorey land? Of course a SURGE might be working..your sending more troops..more troops will help...for a time..till the enemy comes back and it all goes to shit again.. What about that can't your feeble mind grap? You actually think the Iraqis can hold their own ? Forget it...We are there forever now and it's because of Bush. I personally don't think we will ever be able to pull out. But again, just my opinion.

We don't have 500,000 troops in the Middle East, much less Iraq. And I guess you totally failed to grasp the concept that IRAQIS ARE doing whats required in An Bar province, that they turned it around, that if it continues soon enough American troops won't need to do the "heavily" lifting.

The purpose of the Surge is to crush whats there so that the Iraqis can take over. And it appears to be working, though in this particular case it isn't the surge at all, it is the cooperation of Iraqi citizens tired of the "insurgency" and AQ. Which last I checked WAS EXACTLY what it is people like you claim should happen.

NO good news will be "good" to you, Maineman or the other partisan hacks on the left until ONLY Liberals can get the credit. How about actually caring about what needs to happen and fucking forgetting that Bush is President? Tell ya what, HERE I agree Bush screwed up. The Military screwed up. We were not prepared for the time after the Invasion.

None of that matters at ALL. We are 4 years PAST that mattering. All I hear from you and Maineman and the others is, CUT and RUN. Not because it will make things better, but because if we manage to accomplish any goals, BUSH gets credit.

Answer this simple Question.... IS IRAQ in utter total chaos GOOD? And don't preface it with how or why we went or shouldn't have because it DOES NOT matter.

The simple fact is if the democrats had run a Competent person for President in 2004, they would have WON. Bush won because of the choice between him and Kerry. PLAIN and simple, a lot of people voted for Bush because Kerry would have been a DISASTER. The vote for a lot was not FOR Bush, it was AGAINST Kerry.

 

[T-Bor]

Jesus Christ, STFU will ya...You sound like a little kid.

I DEMAND you apologize for this horrible Slander.....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Jesus Christ, STFU will ya...You sound like a little kid.

Talk about Partisan.... I assume I can now go to where maineman whined like a little baby and demanded I leave his poor abused self alone and see you have said the same of him?

I won't hold my breath for that to happen.

 

[maineman]

Talk about Partisan.... I assume I can now go to where maineman whined like a little baby and demanded I leave his poor abused self alone and see you have said the same of him?

I won't hold my breath for that to happen.

defending my integrity is not "demanding that you leave my poor abused self alone". I do not sit idly by and let old fart gunny sergeants call me a liar.

You treat me with respect, you get respect. You don't, go fuck yourself. it really is that simple "sarge".

 

[RetiredGySgt]

LOL, yup, I understand perfectly, your free to call others liars and bitch at them, but damn they better not do the same to you OR you will get mad.

 

[maineman]

LOL, yup, I understand perfectly, your free to call others liars and bitch at them, but damn they better not do the same to you OR you will get mad.

if someone has lied, they ought not to be upset if someone calls them on it. Find me a lie I have written....
I'll wait.

 

[Annie]

if someone has lied, they ought not to be upset if someone calls them on it. Find me a lie I have written....
I'll wait.

From what I've observed, when you are 'wrong' it's not a lie, but a mistake. Not so for anyone else. Then again, when there is something that is more than correct, you hit it with linguistics, but not something that you allow the other pov.

 

[red states rule]

at least RSR is not trying to convince us that American casualties have decreased by 60% due to the success of the surge.

I am glad that the Iraqis are stepping up. It is about fucking time.

Of cousre you do not address the good news comong from Iraq

Not surprised

 

[red states rule]

oh...and sarge:

when you said
"NO good news will be "good" to you, Maineman or the other partisan hacks on the left until ONLY Liberals can get the credit. "

that is a slanderous fucking lie, eat shit.

Seems like he is telling the truth

To a lib, speaking the truth about about them is always considered slander

 

[red states rule]

it was in the other thread. the one about the poll question from the quinnipiac poll taken on 5/1/07

Changing the subject again I see

 

[red states rule]

I don't s'pose you could link to the actual CNN site that reports this. The nanny filter won't let me see your site.

It is a video link

That way libs can't say the good news was not taken out of context

 

[red states rule]

I DEMAND you apologize for this horrible Slander.....

You will have a very long wait

 

[red states rule]

defending my integrity is not "demanding that you leave my poor abused self alone". I do not sit idly by and let old fart gunny sergeants call me a liar.

You treat me with respect, you get respect. You don't, go fuck yourself. it really is that simple "sarge".

How can you defend something you do not have?