CNN/MSNBC FreeFall...

[Polk]

I for one appreciate CNN. As far as fair and balanced, I think they are trying the hardest lately. It is important to have Fox News for the conservative view and MSNBC for the liberal view. I really would question anyone who has a single source like FOx or MSNBC.

The problem with CNN (from a sales standpoint) is that they think playing it down the middle by definition also means you have to be really boring. One of the smartest things they could do is axe either the 7 or 8 pm programming they have now and replace it with a revamped version of Crossfire.

 

[Sinatra]

CNN does not play it down the middle - it has been a left leaning machine since its inception - not as bad as MSNBC, but certainly a clear liberal bias.

With the advent of the Internet age, and cable news competition, this fact became more easily available to consumers, who have left its viewership in droves.

Fox leans conservative, and its ratings reflect the fact that so too does the majority of America.

Fox rules - like or dislike it, that is the fact...

 

[Polk]

Yeah, CNN is super-liberal. That's why they hire all those radical liberals like Erick Erikson.

 

[Sinatra]

Yeah, CNN is super-liberal. That's why they hire all those radical liberals like Erick Erikson.

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Incorrect - it is left leaning.

Similar to Fox being right-leaning.

Try to keep up pard...

 

[Polk]

Yeah, CNN is super-liberal. That's why they hire all those radical liberals like Erick Erikson.

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Incorrect - it is left leaning.

Similar to Fox being right-leaning.

Try to keep up pard...

Talk about false equivalent. When CNN has a panel, they'll have a Democrat and a Republican, or a pair of each of them and host who plays it straight. When Fox has a panel, it consists of three Republicans and one Democrat, and the host who is just spouting GOP talking points.

 

[Sinatra]

Yeah, CNN is super-liberal. That's why they hire all those radical liberals like Erick Erikson.

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Incorrect - it is left leaning.

Similar to Fox being right-leaning.

Try to keep up pard...

Talk about false equivalent. When CNN has a panel, they'll have a Democrat and a Republican, or a pair of each of them and host who plays it straight. When Fox has a panel, it consists of three Republicans and one Democrat, and the host who is just spouting GOP talking points.

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Please be more specific pard.

What panels are you referring to?

 

[MaggieMae]

Latest Q1 ratings are out and the carnage at CNN and MSNBC is astoundingly bad.

Fox News on the other hand set a new best-ever record, and continues to dominate the cable news market at every hour of the day...

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The Carnage Continues at CNN

CNN continued what has become a precipitous decline in ratings for its prime-time programs in the first quarter of 2010, with its main hosts losing almost half their viewers in a year.

The trend in news ratings for the first three months of this year is all up for one network, the Fox News Channel, which enjoyed its best quarter ever in ratings, and down for both MSNBC and CNN.
CNN had a slightly worse quarter in the fourth quarter of 2009, but the last three months have included compelling news events, like the earthquake in Haiti and the battle over health care, and CNN, which emphasizes its hard news coverage, was apparently unable to benefit.

The losses at CNN continued a pattern in place for much of the last year, as the network trailed its competitors in every prime-time hour. (CNN still easily beats MSNBC in the daytime hours, but those are less lucrative in advertising money, and both networks are far behind Fox News at all hours.)


The Carnage Continues atCNN - Real Clear Politics – TIME.com
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Still Surging: Fox News Has Best Quarter In Network History

Fox News had their best year of all time in 2009. Now that we’ve finished the first quarter of 2010, it’s clear FNC is showing no signs of letting up – they just finished their best quarter ever, in total day total viewers.

It was also the second highest rated quarter ever in prime time total viewers. More details and analysis after the jump.

While Fox News continues to see record ratings, their cable news competitors are dropping off even more year-to-year. In the A25-54 demographic during prime time, FNC was up 16%, while CNN dropped 42%, MSNBC was down 22% and HLN was down 40%. In total viewers prime time, FNC was up 3% while the rest declined as well (CNN – 39%, MSNBC – 15%, HLN – 24%).


Still Surging: Fox News Has Best Quarter In Network History | Mediaite

This is completely unimportant.

ABSOLUTELY no one cares.

My thoughts exactly. I'll continue to watch CNN as my first choice, MSNBC as my second, and occasionally watch FOX which can keep its "Q1" rating forever for all I care. I only occasionally tune in just to see if their "IQ" rating has gotten any better.

 

[Polk]

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Incorrect - it is left leaning.

Similar to Fox being right-leaning.

Try to keep up pard...

Talk about false equivalent. When CNN has a panel, they'll have a Democrat and a Republican, or a pair of each of them and host who plays it straight. When Fox has a panel, it consists of three Republicans and one Democrat, and the host who is just spouting GOP talking points.

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Please be more specific pard.

What panels are you referring to?

When they have people sitting around discussing an issue.

 

[Vanquish]

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Incorrect - it is left leaning.

Similar to Fox being right-leaning.

Try to keep up pard...

Talk about false equivalent. When CNN has a panel, they'll have a Democrat and a Republican, or a pair of each of them and host who plays it straight. When Fox has a panel, it consists of three Republicans and one Democrat, and the host who is just spouting GOP talking points.

Please be more specific pard.

What panels are you referring to?

Obvious partisan hackery, Sin. - 10 points.

 

[MaggieMae]

I for one appreciate CNN. As far as fair and balanced, I think they are trying the hardest lately. It is important to have Fox News for the conservative view and MSNBC for the liberal view. I really would question anyone who has a single source like FOx or MSNBC.

The problem with CNN (from a sales standpoint) is that they think playing it down the middle by definition also means you have to be really boring. One of the smartest things they could do is axe either the 7 or 8 pm programming they have now and replace it with a revamped version of Crossfire.

I think Wolf Blitzer does that every day. I'm often not directly in front of the television between 6 and 7PM, but it's in the background, and sometimes the "crossfire" on there turns into shrieking matches that I need to turn OFF. John King USA is a new format (between 7-8PM), which is much more relaxed and unstructured. He will have two guests from opposing viewpoints in a discussion forum, then let them go one-on-one for about five minutes. At the end of that show, there's also a man-on-the-street schtick, which is usually hilarious.

 

[MaggieMae]

This is completely unimportant.

ABSOLUTELY no one cares.

If the reverse were true, the lefties here would have posted about 37 threads crowing about it by now.

Just sayin'.

People vote with their eyeballs when it comes to televised media - Fox is winning. Leftwing cable is losing. For a reason - a lot of people are tired of leftwing propaganda and seeing the media act as Obamapravada.

So eyeballs become the defining factor? Strange. I don't care what news program I have on (CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN, the Sunday talk shows), I'm never plunked in front of the screen. I'm much more into actually listening to what they're saying. Unless of course it's some sort of show and tell.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There are more conservative news/politics junkies than there are liberal news/politics junkies.
That's really all there is to it.

 

[MaggieMae]

CNN does not play it down the middle - it has been a left leaning machine since its inception - not as bad as MSNBC, but certainly a clear liberal bias.

With the advent of the Internet age, and cable news competition, this fact became more easily available to consumers, who have left its viewership in droves.

Fox leans conservative, and its ratings reflect the fact that so too does the majority of America.

Fox rules - like or dislike it, that is the fact...

Of course it probably wouldn't occur to you that CNN is more left-leaning because the left is usually right.

 

[boedicca]

So eyeballs become the defining factor? Strange. I don't care what news program I have on (CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN, the Sunday talk shows), I'm never plunked in front of the screen. I'm much more into actually listening to what they're saying. Unless of course it's some sort of show and tell.

Yes. Viewership for TV (or listenership in the case of radio and readership/subscribers in the case of print) is one of the key metrics for media success. It is the basis for setting advertising rates - or cable licensing fees.

It's not surprising that the former Elite Media are anti-Capitalist. They haven't found a way to adapt to technological innovations which are affecting their business models; nor have they updated their programming to respond to the democratization of information exchange. They are locked into the Top Down Messaging of the Old Oligarchy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So it would now fair to say that in sum total cable news is now net conservative biased?

 

[Oddball]

Looks to me like USA, featuring pro rasslin', and Nickelodeon, with their flagship Sponge Bob Square Pants, outdraw DNCNBC and Comrade News Network combined.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/03/30/usa-widens-lead-on-top-weekly-primetime-cable-viewership/46628

 

[NYcarbineer]

So eyeballs become the defining factor? Strange. I don't care what news program I have on (CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN, the Sunday talk shows), I'm never plunked in front of the screen. I'm much more into actually listening to what they're saying. Unless of course it's some sort of show and tell.

Yes. Viewership for TV (or listenership in the case of radio and readership/subscribers in the case of print) is one of the key metrics for media success. It is the basis for setting advertising rates - or cable licensing fees.

It's not surprising that the former Elite Media are anti-Capitalist. They haven't found a way to adapt to technological innovations which are affecting their business models; nor have they updated their programming to respond to the democratization of information exchange. They are locked into the Top Down Messaging of the Old Oligarchy.

Well then where does Foxnews rate in primetime OVERALL? Vs. everything on tv, including the networks?

 

[boedicca]

So it would now fair to say that in sum total cable news is now net conservative biased?

No.

Fox is, but the rest lean left.

 

[Oddball]

So it would now fair to say that in sum total cable news is now net conservative biased?

Only if you wanted to be laughed out of the room.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How's that Fox business channel working out?